mercutio: why would they have in india?
from what i understand india is pretty hard to get vps in
probably singapore is the closest that can easily get up_the_irons: It's hard to have a ISP in India
laws, insurance, etc... mercutio: up_the_irons: there's more than just that :)
power, data centers, transit...
india had huge power disruption just recently
but if you want to provide a 24/7 connection and have backup power in use frequently it's going to raise the costs
compared to occassional backup power. ***: staticsafe has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
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how the heck can a software giant sit on something like that for so long -: grody smells NSA on this mercutio: it could just be that they didn't know what to do about it
giants move slowly BryceBot: That's what she said!! grody: bet they'll know what to do now it's public
i bet you my friend will cry when i mention XARA to him
he always professes how Apple are superior at fixing security issues mercutio: i only just heard about the whitehouse thing
opm breach thing grody: uhh? link? mercutio: google for opm breach grody: hmm, chromium is using duckduckgo... mercutio: same diff
should work fine :)
scary, eh? grody: crap
that is bad mercutio: yes. grody: and who said hacking was a dieing art
kinda scarey, especially this day in age though mercutio: see how the chinese are blamed again? grody: these things seem right out of the 90s
yea
seems to easy fall to guys atm mercutio: not much has changed grody: s/to/the BryceBot: <grody> seems the easy fall the guys atm mercutio: information moves a lot quicker these days grody: ooh.. another regexp learnerd mercutio: you get an interesting perspective on the world when you hear about these things within 24 hours etc. grody: i miss the / and it changes all to's
hah yea mercutio: in the 90s you'd probably hear like a week later.
maybe a few days..
i find it interesting in a way what i hear about from multiple people and what i hear about quite by accident.
a lot of the local news here has become tabloid-like grody: makes you wonder though, that the very people running a country and protecting a nation of millions, can't even protect a computer database mercutio: and you hear more about minor things, and less about significant complicated things.
customers disgusted by mice at mcdonalds seems to be the top story grody: hah mercutio: oh and an old woman crashed into a police car.
i mean seriously.
this seems to be the stuff people are most interested in.
most people don't want "hard" news.
they want something they can talk about without it turned into a paranoid conspiracy. grody: lol
we get things like this... http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/deidre/6505994/Dear-Deidre-Im-having-sex-behind-boyfriends-back.html mercutio: we're getting some stories direct from dailymail now grody: they were doing free lego the other day
oooh my new assignment of phones has arrived mercutio: i can't find anything about this data breach in local news grody: i read it in nytimes mercutio: oh there was somethign on the 5th
about china being suspected
but yeah i completely missed it.. BryceBot: That's what she said!! grody: i think BryceBot is too hopeful mercutio: he is grody: anyone need replaceement screens for iphon 6, samsung s6 & edge, or any of the xperia Z range? mercutio: what'd he say it to?
i read it in nytimes grody: completely missed it mercutio: but yeah i completely missed it.. BryceBot: That's what she said!! mercutio: ok it grody: but yea mercutio: brycebot isn't as laggy as i thought it'd be grody: meh mercutio: it was pretty immediate which made me think it was to an earler line. grody: not an eggdrop is it? mercutio: i think it's custom grody: only run one IRC bot now.. used to run a few ruby rbots for some channels
has a handy RSS poller and posts updates to channel - good for security bulletins etc.
as well as hundreds of other features mercutio: cool
someone wsa telling me about all the ubuntu security bulletins recently
it takes a bit of effort to look through to see if they're really relevant or not
like the recent one about overlay filesystems.. grody: in ubuntu...?
though overlay was for limited storage systems mercutio: yeh
it is grody: wow mercutio: USN-2643-1 grody: thats like adding zramswap to a 32GB RAM system mercutio: it has other uses too
zramswap to 32gb machine is fine
better than using hard-disk for swap grody: best to use none at all if you can help it
i rather OOM than lag like hell mercutio: i have no swap on my linux server at home
i only have 16gb though.
i have a spare 16gb grody: i have a swap on my laptop, but it is used purely for hibrid-sleep mercutio: i was going to upgrade it to 32gb, but never got around to it grody: hybrid*
im only running 8GB on this mercutio: hmm my 8gb server has no swap either.. grody: only gizmo with swap here is my ARM servers
but they have 512MB RAM so yea mercutio: i probably should do ramzswap
i'd like to see better virtualisation system swap stuff
like shared swap between multiple vm's
but overall swap doesn't really work that well on linux
i'd much rather just have sufficient ram and let it be. grody: i'd like to see virtualisation passed off onto GPUs mercutio: what i'm hoping will happen in linux so is most frequently used / most recently used split caching grody: Arch makes it real easy to use your video card RAM as swap mercutio: intel gpu's support virtualisation.
the recent ones are supported with xen apparently grody: yea intel are starting to lead on that area
intel GPUs are the easiest to use RAM from too mercutio: i have found intel's 2d performance really good now days. ***: Naresh has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) mercutio: i seem to run out of gpu ram
even on my windows box with 4gb of video ram
my linux box with 1gb video ram is at 968mb ram usage atm
but it would be kind of cool to have video ram speed ram for the cpu grody: my ATI on this netbook only has 386MB
uses system RAM to up it to 1GB
384*
the intel 2CU i have on my netbook has phenomenal 2D/3D peformance - for an embedded chip
netbook/tablet mercutio: yeah onboard sucked on p4s.
but now days even the low end intel onboard is good for 2d grody: the older intels did blow mercutio: 3d you can find things that any video card is slow with. grody: then they started getting better in the HD range mercutio: they used to struggle with high res scrolling
i couldn't deal with it grody: strange as hell...
firefox will not work with google at all, nothing google works
but chrome & opera, no problem
seems im having a lot of google issues atm
even gmail on my phone is being a slob mercutio: i had a weird issue with google before
when i was checking what i told you to google for :) grody: hah mercutio: seems fine now
ocp breach that was it grody: yea, firefox is not working with anything IPv6 google mercutio: nope not quite that hmm grody: that is just weird mercutio: opm breach
it's loading fast now grody: ah mercutio: it seemed to just pause after showing the serach query thing on the results page grody: it seems pfsense has serious bugs with IPv6 traffic limiters
brlliant mercutio: like it showed the top bit of page.
but from windows it worked quickly.. grody: i upgrade to this and im hit with bugs.. wth
i just turned off my IPv6 shaping and whalla, it works mercutio: yeah it may be fine later
maybe google is just having random issues grody: ECN? heh mercutio: oh i enabled ecn
which windows wouldn't have.. grody: i could turn it on in my router
but doesn't everything before and after have to do it too? mercutio: if your router is acting as proxy
it's only the client that needs it really grody: nah it does just that .. routes
hm mercutio: not much cares about markings though
i'm using fq_codel across my dsl though grody: yea i've heard about that mercutio: os x, windows, and linux all support ecn
it works fine.
you don't even have to tune it really
although i did a tiny amount grody: i can really only control what happens between core and secondary - my ISP indiscriminantly passes all traffic fairly, although they do give slight higher priority to smaller, VoIP-like packets
i generally dont have any networking issues, when i do it's usually 9/10 a bloody bug
pfsense 2.1.5 was actually rock solid, minus the numerous webui exploits mercutio: i've found openbsd to be the most solid operating system for me ***: raptelan has joined #arpnetworks grody: freebsd for me
generally
although 10.x is proving annoying mike-burns: I've been moving everything to OBSD lately. grody: dont know why i've never used open that much
used net quite a bit recently, but only for tinkering
(more running BSD on an ARM) - although FreeBSD now supports this arch
oh i fib.. my IRC shell is OpenBSD
s/my/this/ BryceBot: <grody> oh i fib.. this IRC shell is OpenBSD grody: ok, so i can say i use open everyday (in some way) mercutio: openbsd has a few deficiencies, but stability has never been one of them. -: grody has to confess he is a loyal FreeBSD fan mercutio: i think c++ applications, multithreading etc is a bit worse. grody: i cant see me comitting to a new OS anytime soon mercutio: like starting c++ applications with lots of dependencies. grody: is that not more to do with the security efforts it has? mercutio: i actually quite liked opensolaris tbh grody: used to tinker with that on an older laptop
was quite nice mike-burns: The lack of C++ support is probably due to the lack of C++ devs contributing to the project. mercutio: i don't care that much about openbsd's security
i care much more about it's stability, predictability, good man pages, sensible development. mike-burns: The community is the draw for me. mercutio: i think people read too much into the whole security as a default thing. grody: haha mercutio: it's definitely not the only thing to openbsd.
it's just kind of where they're coming from. grody: considering many of their previous "no remote root on default install" record was hocum mercutio: well they don't run much on default system, but neither do netbsd. grody: free usually only has sshd (if enabled on install) and syslogd open up mercutio: neither does arch
ahh ok
i much prefer openbsd's installer to freebsd's.
freebsd's installer is awful grody: yea i do hate installing a system and finding avahi, rpc and goodness knows what else im not going to use open up
mercutio, the original one was better
the newer one is horrid mercutio: openbsd's is good as long as you don't mind partitioning.
actually they've made that a bit simpler too. grody: i could blind install freebsd until they changed it :( mike-burns: I just auto-partition. mercutio: auto partitioning is new
i've been using openbsd for 15 yeras. grody: sysinstall was so simple, even manual partitioning could be done blind mike-burns: Well relative to 15 years ago, most of OpenBSD is new. mercutio: heh grody: been sing freebsd and linux for about the same time, 17 years
sheeet
now i feel old again mercutio: yeah i was using linux 17 years ago
i chose debian at first.. grody: i rmember when i first installed freebsd
i was half expecting a porn site to load up mercutio: dselect was so ick grody: my first linux was redhat 6
then storm, which was debian based
redhat 5 in fact, sheet
still have the original install cd too mercutio: redhat used sendmail :/
actually i can't remember when debian shifted to exim
i really hated linux when i was new to it grody: ditto mike-burns: I apparently didn't try OpenBSD until 2003. mercutio: it was memory hungry, slow, complicated..
just loading a text editor was slow plett: I think I'm up to 20 years since I did my first linux install. Slackware from a pile of floppies on a 486sx25 laptop mercutio: although joe was faster than vim to start grody: i remember my first install was w/o X .. i was like, ugh.. WTF do i doo
joe mmm
i remember that
it was when i was shown links & BitchX mercutio: i used to wonder why linux was so slow for text grody: when i saw there was tonnes of CLI based stuff.. i got glued mercutio: yeah - like bitchx scrolling up and down was slow locally mkb: "it was memory hungry, slow, complicated"
was? mercutio: i didn't use X for ages. grody: did you have a poorer graphics card.. i had the cirrus logic 5665 or something mercutio: it was too memory hungry grody: text used to be ok with the whole 2MB video RAM mercutio: i only had 24mb of ram i think grody: ahh, i had 32MB on my first rig mercutio: i had s3 virge i think
or something of that vintage mkb: still is though mercutio: i can't actually remember grody: text on my CLI here using framebuffer is too fast mercutio: i used svgatextmode grody: it actually tears when it's scrolling plett: I never got X to install on that 486 laptop, and gave up on it for a few years. I think my next linux was Debian Potato, which was released in 2000. I've been using Linux since then mercutio: well linux 2.1 sped up text a bit
about 110 from memory grody: i remember denian used to be slow to boot until you custom built a kernel mercutio: the thing about X ist hat things like xeyes were fast grody: debian* mercutio: but if you use any graphical applications that did useful things theyh were always slow
and like netscape was so ick
i used lynx then links
i had custom kernel grody: i didn't actually have the internet until i was 18 - two years after i started potting plett: Or not, it must have been earlier than 2000, as I know I had a FreeBSD 3 machine too which I broke on an upgrade to 4 - and that came way after I started using Debian mercutio: and used 2.1 kernels for faster text i/o..
and wrote my own irc client..
because i couldn't understand why normal irc clients used like 3mb of ram+ grody: wasn't bx backdoored too? mercutio: i dunno
bx was lame
i used ircii-epic :/ grody: ircII mercutio: prior. grody: yea mercutio: with third eye script grody: i remmber i used to have a war client for irc
that was laden with tonnes of skiddie tools for old skewl takeovers n stuff mercutio: haha grody: still have my collection of nefarious laugh out louds from that era mercutio: now i wonder hwo much ram weechat is using
61mb
i mean seriously plett: irc client wise, I think my order of clients went mIRC 3.x , bitchx, ircii-epic, irssi. I'm still using irssi mercutio: and that's resident not virtual
i think i used ircii normal first -: grody stuck with irssi since first using it mercutio: i used irssi for a while grody: bx for a while, was too much for just IRC.. ircii then irssi
i gigggled the other day.. my friend actually called irssi I.R.S.S.I mercutio: my current pet peeve is random cpu usage rather than memory usage grody: "it's pronounced urr see" mercutio: grody: that's what i'd call it if i was talking about it grody: hehehe mercutio: and i-r-c-i-i grody: i dunno why it just makes me giggle like a kid mercutio: someone was asking me how nginx was pronounced the other day grody: i see that as "En Jinx" mercutio: i don't think it really matters
it's engine-x grody: hah mercutio: but n-g-i-n-x is fine by me plett: irssi would be pronounced either "err-sea" or "ear-sea" if it were me saying it mercutio: i always feel weird when i say tla's
especially if i say more than one close together grody: it's also the pronounciation of linux that tickles me too
most say lye nux mercutio: there's nothing worse than wanting to talk about soemthing where the tla isn't the point grody: i say lin nux mercutio: and then someone wants to know what it stands for
i suppose just expand it out
i say lin-ix
making the u softer than it should be i suppose
well an i hah
linnicks grody: i think people associate it with Linus
which is a lye nus mercutio: yeh if i said it like linus
then i'd be pronouncing it quite different plett: There is a .au file somewhere of linus saying "My name is Linus Torvalds, and I pronounce Linux as 'Linux'" mercutio: heh plett: (yes, .au , it's that old) mercutio: i don't know why some people make a big deal of pronounciation myself
as long as you can understand it's all good grody: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAEsoKiZTvk BryceBot: YouTube video: "How to pronounce Linux" by BizzyMicBizness02 mercutio: and a lot of that can come from context grody: he said lennox mercutio: i think it's a horrible name myself
but i can't see it changing grody: linnux is always lennox mercutio: hurd is a bad name too :/
what's the naem of the windows kernel? grody: new technology? mercutio: i don't think so
oh it is isn't it
NTKERNEL grody: i think NT stands for new technology though
ntoskrnl mercutio: they probably have an internal name too grody: ah they dropped the new tech expansion in 2000 ***: hazardous has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
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mercutio has joined #arpnetworks mercutio: so somehow my ip has got onto dronebl, twice.. and i really don't see anything open :(
and it wants me to do a captcha, but I don't have X on the host I normally irc from.. grody: set up a bouncer on it
i dont know how i've managed to not have any of my IPs listed
i has a lot of enemies
remember i left a dns forwarder open for about a month.. was only because my ISP soon afte setup regular testing for certain "open" services i got an email about it
it was getting hit A LOT
problem with DNSBL's you can end up on one for no reason.. usually it's not a problem unless you are on more than one.. but i knw of people who have "cred" and can put any IP on any list
kinda sad really... that people can overlook candour with rep mercutio: apparently it's cos i used undernet ***: mercutio is now known as merc2 merc2: erk how do i get weechat to check the next server
bah it's caching anyway ***: merc2 is now known as mercutio grody: huh?!
how does using an IRC count you as an open relay...
im tempted to open a mail relay (that sends false MDNs) so relayers think it's open and see how long it is before it gets flagged mercutio: i dunno it's dronebl experimental
anyone can add you
undernet i think is adding on failed dns lookup grody: they'd ♥ my IPv6 PM SLAAC mercutio: i looked it up fine, but looking up the irc server was failing for me and for level3 dns
i don't have ipv6 for irc hmm
i don't have ipv6 at all atm grody: all my IP6's default to their in.addr.arpa eq (had too many drinks to remember exactly) - which reaps havock with some IRCs
as the hostname is too long
trying to figure out how to use my ISP DNS to use my unbound for the DHCP mappings/hostnames
it does send lookups for some IPs, but i dont have it set up right
don't really want to run my own public DNS server either
rather have them private, have ISP DNS lookup mine (and only theirs) to provide the results I offer for IPs and not have every domain system want transfers
but tbh, DNS is a very grey area for me ***: cahess_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
cahess has joined #arpnetworks sorressean: I'm trying to set up a rdns record. my address is 174.136.96.202 so when I put that in the name field I get the error: Name is not within your IP range
I'm not sure if I"m doing this wrong. the previous host I was with didn't need a name. the domain/record shows 96.136.174.in-addr.arpa mercutio: is that the right ip address for your host? sorressean: that address I provided is correct, yes. mercutio: so you put in just the last ip
into ip/name you put 202
and it updates down the bottom saying what it will look like
then there's a content field that you put your name in ***: ben3 has joined #arpnetworks mercutio: nick merc2 ***: mercutio is now known as merc2
ben3 is now known as mercutio mercutio: sorressean: did you figure it out ok? sorressean: mercutio: sorry, had to afk. someone shattered one of our windows.
mercutio: got it worked out. thanks! mercutio: ouch sorressean: yeah, was lovely.
I taped some cardboard over it. from beer boxes. classy!
hrm, hopefully this works. freelists was complaining my host couldn't be found (apparently they only got an IP address). so I'm hoping RDNS does what they need. grody: is it essential there is a matching A record for it (somewhere)?