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| mike-burns | No, only California. | [00:04] | |
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| mercutio | why would they have in india?
from what i understand india is pretty hard to get vps in probably singapore is the closest that can easily get | [01:26] | |
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| up_the_irons | It's hard to have a ISP in India
laws, insurance, etc... | [01:52] | |
| mercutio | up_the_irons: there's more than just that :)
power, data centers, transit... india had huge power disruption just recently but if you want to provide a 24/7 connection and have backup power in use frequently it's going to raise the costs compared to occassional backup power. | [01:57] | |
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| grody | m0unds, ouch sheesh that is terrible
how the heck can a software giant sit on something like that for so long grody smells NSA on this | [06:35] | |
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| mercutio | it could just be that they didn't know what to do about it
giants move slowly | [06:59] | |
| BryceBot | That's what she said!! | [07:00] | |
| grody | bet they'll know what to do now it's public
i bet you my friend will cry when i mention XARA to him he always professes how Apple are superior at fixing security issues | [07:00] | |
| mercutio | i only just heard about the whitehouse thing
opm breach thing | [07:04] | |
| grody | uhh? link? | [07:04] | |
| mercutio | google for opm breach | [07:05] | |
| grody | hmm, chromium is using duckduckgo... | [07:05] | |
| mercutio | same diff
should work fine :) scary, eh? | [07:05] | |
| grody | crap
that is bad | [07:09] | |
| mercutio | yes. | [07:09] | |
| grody | and who said hacking was a dieing art
kinda scarey, especially this day in age though | [07:10] | |
| mercutio | see how the chinese are blamed again? | [07:10] | |
| grody | these things seem right out of the 90s
yea seems to easy fall to guys atm | [07:10] | |
| mercutio | not much has changed | [07:10] | |
| grody | s/to/the | [07:10] | |
| BryceBot | <grody> seems the easy fall the guys atm | [07:10] | |
| mercutio | information moves a lot quicker these days | [07:10] | |
| grody | ooh.. another regexp learnerd | [07:11] | |
| mercutio | you get an interesting perspective on the world when you hear about these things within 24 hours etc. | [07:11] | |
| grody | i miss the / and it changes all to's
hah yea | [07:11] | |
| mercutio | in the 90s you'd probably hear like a week later.
maybe a few days.. i find it interesting in a way what i hear about from multiple people and what i hear about quite by accident. a lot of the local news here has become tabloid-like | [07:11] | |
| grody | makes you wonder though, that the very people running a country and protecting a nation of millions, can't even protect a computer database | [07:12] | |
| mercutio | and you hear more about minor things, and less about significant complicated things.
customers disgusted by mice at mcdonalds seems to be the top story | [07:12] | |
| grody | hah | [07:14] | |
| mercutio | oh and an old woman crashed into a police car.
i mean seriously. this seems to be the stuff people are most interested in. most people don't want "hard" news. they want something they can talk about without it turned into a paranoid conspiracy. | [07:15] | |
| grody | lol
| [07:15] | |
| mercutio | we're getting some stories direct from dailymail now | [07:16] | |
| grody | they were doing free lego the other day
oooh my new assignment of phones has arrived | [07:17] | |
| mercutio | i can't find anything about this data breach in local news | [07:17] | |
| grody | i read it in nytimes | [07:18] | |
| mercutio | oh there was somethign on the 5th
about china being suspected but yeah i completely missed it.. | [07:18] | |
| BryceBot | That's what she said!! | [07:18] | |
| grody | i think BryceBot is too hopeful | [07:18] | |
| mercutio | he is | [07:18] | |
| grody | anyone need replaceement screens for iphon 6, samsung s6 & edge, or any of the xperia Z range? | [07:19] | |
| mercutio | what'd he say it to?
i read it in nytimes | [07:19] | |
| grody | completely missed it | [07:19] | |
| mercutio | but yeah i completely missed it.. | [07:19] | |
| BryceBot | That's what she said!! | [07:19] | |
| mercutio | ok it | [07:20] | |
| grody | but yea | [07:20] | |
| mercutio | brycebot isn't as laggy as i thought it'd be | [07:20] | |
| grody | meh | [07:20] | |
| mercutio | it was pretty immediate which made me think it was to an earler line. | [07:20] | |
| grody | not an eggdrop is it? | [07:20] | |
| mercutio | i think it's custom | [07:21] | |
| grody | only run one IRC bot now.. used to run a few ruby rbots for some channels
has a handy RSS poller and posts updates to channel - good for security bulletins etc. as well as hundreds of other features | [07:21] | |
| mercutio | cool
someone wsa telling me about all the ubuntu security bulletins recently it takes a bit of effort to look through to see if they're really relevant or not like the recent one about overlay filesystems.. | [07:24] | |
| grody | in ubuntu...?
though overlay was for limited storage systems | [07:28] | |
| mercutio | yeh
it is | [07:29] | |
| grody | wow | [07:29] | |
| mercutio | USN-2643-1 | [07:29] | |
| grody | thats like adding zramswap to a 32GB RAM system | [07:29] | |
| mercutio | it has other uses too
zramswap to 32gb machine is fine better than using hard-disk for swap | [07:29] | |
| grody | best to use none at all if you can help it
i rather OOM than lag like hell | [07:30] | |
| mercutio | i have no swap on my linux server at home
i only have 16gb though. i have a spare 16gb | [07:30] | |
| grody | i have a swap on my laptop, but it is used purely for hibrid-sleep | [07:30] | |
| mercutio | i was going to upgrade it to 32gb, but never got around to it | [07:30] | |
| grody | hybrid*
im only running 8GB on this | [07:31] | |
| mercutio | hmm my 8gb server has no swap either.. | [07:31] | |
| grody | only gizmo with swap here is my ARM servers
but they have 512MB RAM so yea | [07:31] | |
| mercutio | i probably should do ramzswap
i'd like to see better virtualisation system swap stuff like shared swap between multiple vm's but overall swap doesn't really work that well on linux i'd much rather just have sufficient ram and let it be. | [07:31] | |
| grody | i'd like to see virtualisation passed off onto GPUs | [07:33] | |
| mercutio | what i'm hoping will happen in linux so is most frequently used / most recently used split caching | [07:33] | |
| grody | Arch makes it real easy to use your video card RAM as swap | [07:34] | |
| mercutio | intel gpu's support virtualisation.
the recent ones are supported with xen apparently | [07:34] | |
| grody | yea intel are starting to lead on that area
intel GPUs are the easiest to use RAM from too | [07:34] | |
| mercutio | i have found intel's 2d performance really good now days. | [07:34] | |
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| mercutio | i seem to run out of gpu ram
even on my windows box with 4gb of video ram my linux box with 1gb video ram is at 968mb ram usage atm | [07:35] | |
| but it would be kind of cool to have video ram speed ram for the cpu | [07:42] | ||
| grody | my ATI on this netbook only has 386MB
uses system RAM to up it to 1GB 384* the intel 2CU i have on my netbook has phenomenal 2D/3D peformance - for an embedded chip netbook/tablet | [07:46] | |
| mercutio | yeah onboard sucked on p4s.
but now days even the low end intel onboard is good for 2d | [07:48] | |
| grody | the older intels did blow | [07:48] | |
| mercutio | 3d you can find things that any video card is slow with. | [07:48] | |
| grody | then they started getting better in the HD range | [07:48] | |
| mercutio | they used to struggle with high res scrolling
i couldn't deal with it | [07:48] | |
| grody | strange as hell...
firefox will not work with google at all, nothing google works but chrome & opera, no problem seems im having a lot of google issues atm even gmail on my phone is being a slob | [07:56] | |
| mercutio | i had a weird issue with google before
when i was checking what i told you to google for :) | [07:58] | |
| grody | hah | [07:58] | |
| mercutio | seems fine now
ocp breach that was it | [07:58] | |
| grody | yea, firefox is not working with anything IPv6 google | [07:58] | |
| mercutio | nope not quite that hmm | [07:58] | |
| grody | that is just weird | [07:59] | |
| mercutio | opm breach
it's loading fast now | [07:59] | |
| grody | ah | [07:59] | |
| mercutio | it seemed to just pause after showing the serach query thing on the results page | [07:59] | |
| grody | it seems pfsense has serious bugs with IPv6 traffic limiters
brlliant | [07:59] | |
| mercutio | like it showed the top bit of page.
but from windows it worked quickly.. | [07:59] | |
| grody | i upgrade to this and im hit with bugs.. wth
i just turned off my IPv6 shaping and whalla, it works | [08:00] | |
| mercutio | yeah it may be fine later
maybe google is just having random issues | [08:00] | |
| grody | ECN? heh | [08:00] | |
| mercutio | oh i enabled ecn
which windows wouldn't have.. | [08:00] | |
| grody | i could turn it on in my router
but doesn't everything before and after have to do it too? | [08:01] | |
| mercutio | if your router is acting as proxy
it's only the client that needs it really | [08:01] | |
| grody | nah it does just that .. routes
hm | [08:01] | |
| mercutio | not much cares about markings though
i'm using fq_codel across my dsl though | [08:01] | |
| grody | yea i've heard about that | [08:02] | |
| mercutio | os x, windows, and linux all support ecn
it works fine. you don't even have to tune it really although i did a tiny amount | [08:02] | |
| grody | i can really only control what happens between core and secondary - my ISP indiscriminantly passes all traffic fairly, although they do give slight higher priority to smaller, VoIP-like packets
i generally dont have any networking issues, when i do it's usually 9/10 a bloody bug pfsense 2.1.5 was actually rock solid, minus the numerous webui exploits | [08:03] | |
| mercutio | i've found openbsd to be the most solid operating system for me | [08:06] | |
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| grody | freebsd for me
generally although 10.x is proving annoying | [08:31] | |
| mike-burns | I've been moving everything to OBSD lately. | [08:31] | |
| grody | dont know why i've never used open that much
used net quite a bit recently, but only for tinkering (more running BSD on an ARM) - although FreeBSD now supports this arch oh i fib.. my IRC shell is OpenBSD s/my/this/ | [08:32] | |
| BryceBot | <grody> oh i fib.. this IRC shell is OpenBSD | [08:33] | |
| grody | ok, so i can say i use open everyday (in some way) | [08:34] | |
| mercutio | openbsd has a few deficiencies, but stability has never been one of them. | [08:34] | |
| grody | grody has to confess he is a loyal FreeBSD fan | [08:35] | |
| mercutio | i think c++ applications, multithreading etc is a bit worse. | [08:35] | |
| grody | i cant see me comitting to a new OS anytime soon | [08:35] | |
| mercutio | like starting c++ applications with lots of dependencies. | [08:35] | |
| grody | is that not more to do with the security efforts it has? | [08:35] | |
| mercutio | i actually quite liked opensolaris tbh | [08:36] | |
| grody | used to tinker with that on an older laptop
was quite nice | [08:36] | |
| mike-burns | The lack of C++ support is probably due to the lack of C++ devs contributing to the project. | [08:36] | |
| mercutio | i don't care that much about openbsd's security
i care much more about it's stability, predictability, good man pages, sensible development. | [08:36] | |
| mike-burns | The community is the draw for me. | [08:37] | |
| mercutio | i think people read too much into the whole security as a default thing. | [08:37] | |
| grody | haha | [08:37] | |
| mercutio | it's definitely not the only thing to openbsd.
it's just kind of where they're coming from. | [08:37] | |
| grody | considering many of their previous "no remote root on default install" record was hocum | [08:37] | |
| mercutio | well they don't run much on default system, but neither do netbsd. | [08:38] | |
| grody | free usually only has sshd (if enabled on install) and syslogd open up | [08:38] | |
| mercutio | neither does arch
ahh ok i much prefer openbsd's installer to freebsd's. freebsd's installer is awful | [08:38] | |
| grody | yea i do hate installing a system and finding avahi, rpc and goodness knows what else im not going to use open up
mercutio, the original one was better the newer one is horrid | [08:39] | |
| mercutio | openbsd's is good as long as you don't mind partitioning.
actually they've made that a bit simpler too. | [08:39] | |
| grody | i could blind install freebsd until they changed it :( | [08:39] | |
| mike-burns | I just auto-partition. | [08:39] | |
| mercutio | auto partitioning is new
i've been using openbsd for 15 yeras. | [08:40] | |
| grody | sysinstall was so simple, even manual partitioning could be done blind | [08:40] | |
| mike-burns | Well relative to 15 years ago, most of OpenBSD is new. | [08:40] | |
| mercutio | heh | [08:40] | |
| grody | been sing freebsd and linux for about the same time, 17 years
sheeet now i feel old again | [08:40] | |
| mercutio | yeah i was using linux 17 years ago
i chose debian at first.. | [08:41] | |
| grody | i rmember when i first installed freebsd
i was half expecting a porn site to load up | [08:41] | |
| mercutio | dselect was so ick | [08:41] | |
| grody | my first linux was redhat 6
then storm, which was debian based redhat 5 in fact, sheet still have the original install cd too | [08:41] | |
| mercutio | redhat used sendmail :/
actually i can't remember when debian shifted to exim i really hated linux when i was new to it | [08:42] | |
| grody | ditto | [08:43] | |
| mike-burns | I apparently didn't try OpenBSD until 2003. | [08:43] | |
| mercutio | it was memory hungry, slow, complicated..
just loading a text editor was slow | [08:43] | |
| plett | I think I'm up to 20 years since I did my first linux install. Slackware from a pile of floppies on a 486sx25 laptop | [08:43] | |
| mercutio | although joe was faster than vim to start | [08:43] | |
| grody | i remember my first install was w/o X .. i was like, ugh.. WTF do i doo
joe mmm i remember that it was when i was shown links & BitchX | [08:43] | |
| mercutio | i used to wonder why linux was so slow for text | [08:44] | |
| grody | when i saw there was tonnes of CLI based stuff.. i got glued | [08:44] | |
| mercutio | yeah - like bitchx scrolling up and down was slow locally | [08:44] | |
| mkb | "it was memory hungry, slow, complicated"
was? | [08:44] | |
| mercutio | i didn't use X for ages. | [08:45] | |
| grody | did you have a poorer graphics card.. i had the cirrus logic 5665 or something | [08:45] | |
| mercutio | it was too memory hungry | [08:45] | |
| grody | text used to be ok with the whole 2MB video RAM | [08:45] | |
| mercutio | i only had 24mb of ram i think | [08:45] | |
| grody | ahh, i had 32MB on my first rig | [08:45] | |
| mercutio | i had s3 virge i think
or something of that vintage | [08:45] | |
| mkb | still is though | [08:45] | |
| mercutio | i can't actually remember | [08:45] | |
| grody | text on my CLI here using framebuffer is too fast | [08:46] | |
| mercutio | i used svgatextmode | [08:46] | |
| grody | it actually tears when it's scrolling | [08:46] | |
| plett | I never got X to install on that 486 laptop, and gave up on it for a few years. I think my next linux was Debian Potato, which was released in 2000. I've been using Linux since then | [08:46] | |
| mercutio | well linux 2.1 sped up text a bit
about 110 from memory | [08:46] | |
| grody | i remember denian used to be slow to boot until you custom built a kernel | [08:46] | |
| mercutio | the thing about X ist hat things like xeyes were fast | [08:46] | |
| grody | debian* | [08:46] | |
| mercutio | but if you use any graphical applications that did useful things theyh were always slow
and like netscape was so ick i used lynx then links i had custom kernel | [08:47] | |
| grody | i didn't actually have the internet until i was 18 - two years after i started potting | [08:47] | |
| plett | Or not, it must have been earlier than 2000, as I know I had a FreeBSD 3 machine too which I broke on an upgrade to 4 - and that came way after I started using Debian | [08:47] | |
| mercutio | and used 2.1 kernels for faster text i/o..
and wrote my own irc client.. because i couldn't understand why normal irc clients used like 3mb of ram+ | [08:47] | |
| grody | wasn't bx backdoored too? | [08:48] | |
| mercutio | i dunno
bx was lame i used ircii-epic :/ | [08:48] | |
| grody | ircII | [08:48] | |
| mercutio | prior. | [08:48] | |
| grody | yea | [08:48] | |
| mercutio | with third eye script | [08:48] | |
| grody | i remmber i used to have a war client for irc
that was laden with tonnes of skiddie tools for old skewl takeovers n stuff | [08:49] | |
| mercutio | haha | [08:49] | |
| grody | still have my collection of nefarious laugh out louds from that era | [08:49] | |
| mercutio | now i wonder hwo much ram weechat is using
61mb i mean seriously | [08:49] | |
| plett | irc client wise, I think my order of clients went mIRC 3.x , bitchx, ircii-epic, irssi. I'm still using irssi | [08:50] | |
| mercutio | and that's resident not virtual
i think i used ircii normal first | [08:50] | |
| grody | grody stuck with irssi since first using it | [08:50] | |
| mercutio | i used irssi for a while | [08:50] | |
| grody | bx for a while, was too much for just IRC.. ircii then irssi
i gigggled the other day.. my friend actually called irssi I.R.S.S.I | [08:50] | |
| mercutio | my current pet peeve is random cpu usage rather than memory usage | [08:51] | |
| grody | "it's pronounced urr see" | [08:51] | |
| mercutio | grody: that's what i'd call it if i was talking about it | [08:51] | |
| grody | hehehe | [08:51] | |
| mercutio | and i-r-c-i-i | [08:51] | |
| grody | i dunno why it just makes me giggle like a kid | [08:52] | |
| mercutio | someone was asking me how nginx was pronounced the other day | [08:52] | |
| grody | i see that as "En Jinx" | [08:52] | |
| mercutio | i don't think it really matters
it's engine-x | [08:52] | |
| grody | hah | [08:52] | |
| mercutio | but n-g-i-n-x is fine by me | [08:53] | |
| plett | irssi would be pronounced either "err-sea" or "ear-sea" if it were me saying it | [08:53] | |
| mercutio | i always feel weird when i say tla's
especially if i say more than one close together | [08:53] | |
| grody | it's also the pronounciation of linux that tickles me too
most say lye nux | [08:53] | |
| mercutio | there's nothing worse than wanting to talk about soemthing where the tla isn't the point | [08:53] | |
| grody | i say lin nux | [08:53] | |
| mercutio | and then someone wants to know what it stands for
i suppose just expand it out i say lin-ix making the u softer than it should be i suppose well an i hah linnicks | [08:54] | |
| grody | i think people associate it with Linus
which is a lye nus | [08:55] | |
| mercutio | yeh if i said it like linus
then i'd be pronouncing it quite different | [08:55] | |
| plett | There is a .au file somewhere of linus saying "My name is Linus Torvalds, and I pronounce Linux as 'Linux'" | [08:55] | |
| mercutio | heh | [08:55] | |
| plett | (yes, .au , it's that old) | [08:56] | |
| mercutio | i don't know why some people make a big deal of pronounciation myself
as long as you can understand it's all good | [08:56] | |
| grody | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAEsoKiZTvk | [08:56] | |
| BryceBot | YouTube video: "How to pronounce Linux" by BizzyMicBizness02 | [08:56] | |
| mercutio | and a lot of that can come from context | [08:56] | |
| grody | he said lennox | [08:56] | |
| mercutio | i think it's a horrible name myself
but i can't see it changing | [08:57] | |
| grody | linnux is always lennox | [08:57] | |
| mercutio | hurd is a bad name too :/
what's the naem of the windows kernel? | [08:57] | |
| grody | new technology? | [08:58] | |
| mercutio | i don't think so
oh it is isn't it NTKERNEL | [08:58] | |
| grody | i think NT stands for new technology though
ntoskrnl | [08:58] | |
| mercutio | they probably have an internal name too | [09:02] | |
| grody | ah they dropped the new tech expansion in 2000 | [09:03] | |
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| mercutio | so somehow my ip has got onto dronebl, twice.. and i really don't see anything open :(
and it wants me to do a captcha, but I don't have X on the host I normally irc from.. | [17:04] | |
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| grody | set up a bouncer on it
i dont know how i've managed to not have any of my IPs listed i has a lot of enemies remember i left a dns forwarder open for about a month.. was only because my ISP soon afte setup regular testing for certain "open" services i got an email about it it was getting hit A LOT problem with DNSBL's you can end up on one for no reason.. usually it's not a problem unless you are on more than one.. but i knw of people who have "cred" and can put any IP on any list kinda sad really... that people can overlook candour with rep | [18:30] | |
| mercutio | apparently it's cos i used undernet | [18:38] | |
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| merc2 | erk how do i get weechat to check the next server
bah it's caching anyway | [18:40] | |
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| grody | huh?!
how does using an IRC count you as an open relay... im tempted to open a mail relay (that sends false MDNs) so relayers think it's open and see how long it is before it gets flagged | [18:41] | |
| mercutio | i dunno it's dronebl experimental
anyone can add you undernet i think is adding on failed dns lookup | [18:43] | |
| grody | they'd ♥ my IPv6 PM SLAAC | [18:44] | |
| mercutio | i looked it up fine, but looking up the irc server was failing for me and for level3 dns
i don't have ipv6 for irc hmm i don't have ipv6 at all atm | [18:44] | |
| grody | all my IP6's default to their in.addr.arpa eq (had too many drinks to remember exactly) - which reaps havock with some IRCs
as the hostname is too long trying to figure out how to use my ISP DNS to use my unbound for the DHCP mappings/hostnames it does send lookups for some IPs, but i dont have it set up right don't really want to run my own public DNS server either rather have them private, have ISP DNS lookup mine (and only theirs) to provide the results I offer for IPs and not have every domain system want transfers but tbh, DNS is a very grey area for me | [18:45] | |
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| sorressean | I'm trying to set up a rdns record. my address is 174.136.96.202 so when I put that in the name field I get the error: Name is not within your IP range
I'm not sure if I"m doing this wrong. the previous host I was with didn't need a name. the domain/record shows 96.136.174.in-addr.arpa | [20:01] | |
| mercutio | is that the right ip address for your host? | [20:03] | |
| sorressean | that address I provided is correct, yes. | [20:04] | |
| mercutio | so you put in just the last ip
into ip/name you put 202 and it updates down the bottom saying what it will look like then there's a content field that you put your name in | [20:04] | |
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| mercutio | nick merc2 | [20:16] | |
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| mercutio | sorressean: did you figure it out ok? | [20:22] | |
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| sorressean | mercutio: sorry, had to afk. someone shattered one of our windows.
mercutio: got it worked out. thanks! | [20:50] | |
| mercutio | ouch | [20:51] | |
| sorressean | yeah, was lovely.
I taped some cardboard over it. from beer boxes. classy! hrm, hopefully this works. freelists was complaining my host couldn't be found (apparently they only got an IP address). so I'm hoping RDNS does what they need. | [20:52] | |
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| grody | is it essential there is a matching A record for it (somewhere)? | [21:10] | |
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