[00:04] No, only California. [01:26] why would they have in india? [01:30] from what i understand india is pretty hard to get vps in [01:32] probably singapore is the closest that can easily get [01:52] It's hard to have a ISP in India [01:52] laws, insurance, etc... [01:57] up_the_irons: there's more than just that :) [01:57] power, data centers, transit... [01:58] india had huge power disruption just recently [01:58] but if you want to provide a 24/7 connection and have backup power in use frequently it's going to raise the costs [01:58] compared to occassional backup power. [02:30] *** staticsafe has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [02:57] *** staticsafe has joined #arpnetworks [06:35] m0unds, ouch sheesh that is terrible [06:35] how the heck can a software giant sit on something like that for so long [06:35] * grody smells NSA on this [06:59] it could just be that they didn't know what to do about it [07:00] giants move slowly [07:00] That's what she said!! [07:00] bet they'll know what to do now it's public [07:01] i bet you my friend will cry when i mention XARA to him [07:01] he always professes how Apple are superior at fixing security issues [07:04] i only just heard about the whitehouse thing [07:04] opm breach thing [07:04] uhh? link? [07:05] google for opm breach [07:05] hmm, chromium is using duckduckgo... [07:05] same diff [07:05] should work fine :) [07:08] scary, eh? [07:09] crap [07:09] that is bad [07:09] yes. [07:10] and who said hacking was a dieing art [07:10] kinda scarey, especially this day in age though [07:10] see how the chinese are blamed again? [07:10] these things seem right out of the 90s [07:10] yea [07:10] seems to easy fall to guys atm [07:10] not much has changed [07:10] s/to/the [07:10] seems the easy fall the guys atm [07:10] information moves a lot quicker these days [07:11] ooh.. another regexp learnerd [07:11] you get an interesting perspective on the world when you hear about these things within 24 hours etc. [07:11] i miss the / and it changes all to's [07:11] hah yea [07:11] in the 90s you'd probably hear like a week later. [07:11] maybe a few days.. [07:12] i find it interesting in a way what i hear about from multiple people and what i hear about quite by accident. [07:12] a lot of the local news here has become tabloid-like [07:12] makes you wonder though, that the very people running a country and protecting a nation of millions, can't even protect a computer database [07:12] and you hear more about minor things, and less about significant complicated things. [07:13] customers disgusted by mice at mcdonalds seems to be the top story [07:14] hah [07:15] oh and an old woman crashed into a police car. [07:15] i mean seriously. [07:15] this seems to be the stuff people are most interested in. [07:15] most people don't want "hard" news. [07:15] they want something they can talk about without it turned into a paranoid conspiracy. [07:15] lol [07:16] we get things like this... http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/deidre/6505994/Dear-Deidre-Im-having-sex-behind-boyfriends-back.html [07:16] we're getting some stories direct from dailymail now [07:17] they were doing free lego the other day [07:17] oooh my new assignment of phones has arrived [07:17] i can't find anything about this data breach in local news [07:18] i read it in nytimes [07:18] oh there was somethign on the 5th [07:18] about china being suspected [07:18] but yeah i completely missed it.. [07:18] That's what she said!! [07:18] i think BryceBot is too hopeful [07:18] he is [07:19] anyone need replaceement screens for iphon 6, samsung s6 & edge, or any of the xperia Z range? [07:19] what'd he say it to? [07:19] i read it in nytimes [07:19] completely missed it [07:19] but yeah i completely missed it.. [07:19] That's what she said!! [07:20] ok it [07:20] but yea [07:20] brycebot isn't as laggy as i thought it'd be [07:20] meh [07:20] it was pretty immediate which made me think it was to an earler line. [07:20] not an eggdrop is it? [07:21] i think it's custom [07:21] only run one IRC bot now.. used to run a few ruby rbots for some channels [07:22] has a handy RSS poller and posts updates to channel - good for security bulletins etc. [07:22] as well as hundreds of other features [07:24] cool [07:24] someone wsa telling me about all the ubuntu security bulletins recently [07:25] it takes a bit of effort to look through to see if they're really relevant or not [07:25] like the recent one about overlay filesystems.. [07:28] in ubuntu...? [07:29] though overlay was for limited storage systems [07:29] yeh [07:29] it is [07:29] wow [07:29] USN-2643-1 [07:29] thats like adding zramswap to a 32GB RAM system [07:29] it has other uses too [07:30] zramswap to 32gb machine is fine [07:30] better than using hard-disk for swap [07:30] best to use none at all if you can help it [07:30] i rather OOM than lag like hell [07:30] i have no swap on my linux server at home [07:30] i only have 16gb though. [07:30] i have a spare 16gb [07:30] i have a swap on my laptop, but it is used purely for hibrid-sleep [07:30] i was going to upgrade it to 32gb, but never got around to it [07:31] hybrid* [07:31] im only running 8GB on this [07:31] hmm my 8gb server has no swap either.. [07:31] only gizmo with swap here is my ARM servers [07:31] but they have 512MB RAM so yea [07:31] i probably should do ramzswap [07:32] i'd like to see better virtualisation system swap stuff [07:32] like shared swap between multiple vm's [07:33] but overall swap doesn't really work that well on linux [07:33] i'd much rather just have sufficient ram and let it be. [07:33] i'd like to see virtualisation passed off onto GPUs [07:33] what i'm hoping will happen in linux so is most frequently used / most recently used split caching [07:34] Arch makes it real easy to use your video card RAM as swap [07:34] intel gpu's support virtualisation. [07:34] the recent ones are supported with xen apparently [07:34] yea intel are starting to lead on that area [07:34] intel GPUs are the easiest to use RAM from too [07:34] i have found intel's 2d performance really good now days. [07:35] *** Naresh has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) [07:35] i seem to run out of gpu ram [07:36] even on my windows box with 4gb of video ram [07:37] my linux box with 1gb video ram is at 968mb ram usage atm [07:42] but it would be kind of cool to have video ram speed ram for the cpu [07:46] my ATI on this netbook only has 386MB [07:47] uses system RAM to up it to 1GB [07:47] 384* [07:47] the intel 2CU i have on my netbook has phenomenal 2D/3D peformance - for an embedded chip [07:47] netbook/tablet [07:48] yeah onboard sucked on p4s. [07:48] but now days even the low end intel onboard is good for 2d [07:48] the older intels did blow [07:48] 3d you can find things that any video card is slow with. [07:48] then they started getting better in the HD range [07:48] they used to struggle with high res scrolling [07:48] i couldn't deal with it [07:56] strange as hell... [07:56] firefox will not work with google at all, nothing google works [07:56] but chrome & opera, no problem [07:57] seems im having a lot of google issues atm [07:57] even gmail on my phone is being a slob [07:58] i had a weird issue with google before [07:58] when i was checking what i told you to google for :) [07:58] hah [07:58] seems fine now [07:58] ocp breach that was it [07:58] yea, firefox is not working with anything IPv6 google [07:58] nope not quite that hmm [07:59] that is just weird [07:59] opm breach [07:59] it's loading fast now [07:59] ah [07:59] it seemed to just pause after showing the serach query thing on the results page [07:59] it seems pfsense has serious bugs with IPv6 traffic limiters [07:59] brlliant [07:59] like it showed the top bit of page. [07:59] but from windows it worked quickly.. [08:00] i upgrade to this and im hit with bugs.. wth [08:00] i just turned off my IPv6 shaping and whalla, it works [08:00] yeah it may be fine later [08:00] maybe google is just having random issues [08:00] ECN? heh [08:00] oh i enabled ecn [08:01] which windows wouldn't have.. [08:01] i could turn it on in my router [08:01] but doesn't everything before and after have to do it too? [08:01] if your router is acting as proxy [08:01] it's only the client that needs it really [08:01] nah it does just that .. routes [08:01] hm [08:01] not much cares about markings though [08:02] i'm using fq_codel across my dsl though [08:02] yea i've heard about that [08:02] os x, windows, and linux all support ecn [08:02] it works fine. [08:02] you don't even have to tune it really [08:02] although i did a tiny amount [08:03] i can really only control what happens between core and secondary - my ISP indiscriminantly passes all traffic fairly, although they do give slight higher priority to smaller, VoIP-like packets [08:05] i generally dont have any networking issues, when i do it's usually 9/10 a bloody bug [08:05] pfsense 2.1.5 was actually rock solid, minus the numerous webui exploits [08:06] i've found openbsd to be the most solid operating system for me [08:22] *** raptelan has joined #arpnetworks [08:31] freebsd for me [08:31] generally [08:31] although 10.x is proving annoying [08:31] I've been moving everything to OBSD lately. [08:32] dont know why i've never used open that much [08:32] used net quite a bit recently, but only for tinkering [08:33] (more running BSD on an ARM) - although FreeBSD now supports this arch [08:33] oh i fib.. my IRC shell is OpenBSD [08:33] s/my/this/ [08:33] oh i fib.. this IRC shell is OpenBSD [08:34] ok, so i can say i use open everyday (in some way) [08:34] openbsd has a few deficiencies, but stability has never been one of them. [08:35] * grody has to confess he is a loyal FreeBSD fan [08:35] i think c++ applications, multithreading etc is a bit worse. [08:35] i cant see me comitting to a new OS anytime soon [08:35] like starting c++ applications with lots of dependencies. [08:35] is that not more to do with the security efforts it has? [08:36] i actually quite liked opensolaris tbh [08:36] used to tinker with that on an older laptop [08:36] was quite nice [08:36] The lack of C++ support is probably due to the lack of C++ devs contributing to the project. [08:36] i don't care that much about openbsd's security [08:36] i care much more about it's stability, predictability, good man pages, sensible development. [08:37] The community is the draw for me. [08:37] i think people read too much into the whole security as a default thing. [08:37] haha [08:37] it's definitely not the only thing to openbsd. [08:37] it's just kind of where they're coming from. [08:37] considering many of their previous "no remote root on default install" record was hocum [08:38] well they don't run much on default system, but neither do netbsd. [08:38] free usually only has sshd (if enabled on install) and syslogd open up [08:38] neither does arch [08:39] ahh ok [08:39] i much prefer openbsd's installer to freebsd's. [08:39] freebsd's installer is awful [08:39] yea i do hate installing a system and finding avahi, rpc and goodness knows what else im not going to use open up [08:39] mercutio, the original one was better [08:39] the newer one is horrid [08:39] openbsd's is good as long as you don't mind partitioning. [08:39] actually they've made that a bit simpler too. [08:39] i could blind install freebsd until they changed it :( [08:39] I just auto-partition. [08:40] auto partitioning is new [08:40] i've been using openbsd for 15 yeras. [08:40] sysinstall was so simple, even manual partitioning could be done blind [08:40] Well relative to 15 years ago, most of OpenBSD is new. [08:40] heh [08:40] been sing freebsd and linux for about the same time, 17 years [08:41] sheeet [08:41] now i feel old again [08:41] yeah i was using linux 17 years ago [08:41] i chose debian at first.. [08:41] i rmember when i first installed freebsd [08:41] i was half expecting a porn site to load up [08:41] dselect was so ick [08:41] my first linux was redhat 6 [08:41] then storm, which was debian based [08:42] redhat 5 in fact, sheet [08:42] still have the original install cd too [08:42] redhat used sendmail :/ [08:42] actually i can't remember when debian shifted to exim [08:43] i really hated linux when i was new to it [08:43] ditto [08:43] I apparently didn't try OpenBSD until 2003. [08:43] it was memory hungry, slow, complicated.. [08:43] just loading a text editor was slow [08:43] I think I'm up to 20 years since I did my first linux install. Slackware from a pile of floppies on a 486sx25 laptop [08:43] although joe was faster than vim to start [08:43] i remember my first install was w/o X .. i was like, ugh.. WTF do i doo [08:43] joe mmm [08:43] i remember that [08:44] it was when i was shown links & BitchX [08:44] i used to wonder why linux was so slow for text [08:44] when i saw there was tonnes of CLI based stuff.. i got glued [08:44] yeah - like bitchx scrolling up and down was slow locally [08:44] "it was memory hungry, slow, complicated" [08:45] was? [08:45] i didn't use X for ages. [08:45] did you have a poorer graphics card.. i had the cirrus logic 5665 or something [08:45] it was too memory hungry [08:45] text used to be ok with the whole 2MB video RAM [08:45] i only had 24mb of ram i think [08:45] ahh, i had 32MB on my first rig [08:45] i had s3 virge i think [08:45] or something of that vintage [08:45] still is though [08:45] i can't actually remember [08:46] text on my CLI here using framebuffer is too fast [08:46] i used svgatextmode [08:46] it actually tears when it's scrolling [08:46] I never got X to install on that 486 laptop, and gave up on it for a few years. I think my next linux was Debian Potato, which was released in 2000. I've been using Linux since then [08:46] well linux 2.1 sped up text a bit [08:46] about 110 from memory [08:46] i remember denian used to be slow to boot until you custom built a kernel [08:46] the thing about X ist hat things like xeyes were fast [08:46] debian* [08:47] but if you use any graphical applications that did useful things theyh were always slow [08:47] and like netscape was so ick [08:47] i used lynx then links [08:47] i had custom kernel [08:47] i didn't actually have the internet until i was 18 - two years after i started potting [08:47] Or not, it must have been earlier than 2000, as I know I had a FreeBSD 3 machine too which I broke on an upgrade to 4 - and that came way after I started using Debian [08:47] and used 2.1 kernels for faster text i/o.. [08:47] and wrote my own irc client.. [08:48] because i couldn't understand why normal irc clients used like 3mb of ram+ [08:48] wasn't bx backdoored too? [08:48] i dunno [08:48] bx was lame [08:48] i used ircii-epic :/ [08:48] ircII [08:48] prior. [08:48] yea [08:48] with third eye script [08:49] i remmber i used to have a war client for irc [08:49] that was laden with tonnes of skiddie tools for old skewl takeovers n stuff [08:49] haha [08:49] still have my collection of nefarious laugh out louds from that era [08:49] now i wonder hwo much ram weechat is using [08:49] 61mb [08:49] i mean seriously [08:50] irc client wise, I think my order of clients went mIRC 3.x , bitchx, ircii-epic, irssi. I'm still using irssi [08:50] and that's resident not virtual [08:50] i think i used ircii normal first [08:50] * grody stuck with irssi since first using it [08:50] i used irssi for a while [08:50] bx for a while, was too much for just IRC.. ircii then irssi [08:51] i gigggled the other day.. my friend actually called irssi I.R.S.S.I [08:51] my current pet peeve is random cpu usage rather than memory usage [08:51] "it's pronounced urr see" [08:51] grody: that's what i'd call it if i was talking about it [08:51] hehehe [08:51] and i-r-c-i-i [08:52] i dunno why it just makes me giggle like a kid [08:52] someone was asking me how nginx was pronounced the other day [08:52] i see that as "En Jinx" [08:52] i don't think it really matters [08:52] it's engine-x [08:52] hah [08:53] but n-g-i-n-x is fine by me [08:53] irssi would be pronounced either "err-sea" or "ear-sea" if it were me saying it [08:53] i always feel weird when i say tla's [08:53] especially if i say more than one close together [08:53] it's also the pronounciation of linux that tickles me too [08:53] most say lye nux [08:53] there's nothing worse than wanting to talk about soemthing where the tla isn't the point [08:53] i say lin nux [08:54] and then someone wants to know what it stands for [08:54] i suppose just expand it out [08:54] i say lin-ix [08:54] making the u softer than it should be i suppose [08:54] well an i hah [08:55] linnicks [08:55] i think people associate it with Linus [08:55] which is a lye nus [08:55] yeh if i said it like linus [08:55] then i'd be pronouncing it quite different [08:55] There is a .au file somewhere of linus saying "My name is Linus Torvalds, and I pronounce Linux as 'Linux'" [08:55] heh [08:56] (yes, .au , it's that old) [08:56] i don't know why some people make a big deal of pronounciation myself [08:56] as long as you can understand it's all good [08:56] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAEsoKiZTvk [08:56] YouTube video: "How to pronounce Linux" by BizzyMicBizness02 [08:56] and a lot of that can come from context [08:56] he said lennox [08:57] i think it's a horrible name myself [08:57] but i can't see it changing [08:57] linnux is always lennox [08:57] hurd is a bad name too :/ [08:58] what's the naem of the windows kernel? [08:58] new technology? [08:58] i don't think so [08:58] oh it is isn't it [08:58] NTKERNEL [08:58] i think NT stands for new technology though [08:59] ntoskrnl [09:02] they probably have an internal name too [09:03] ah they dropped the new tech expansion in 2000 [15:50] *** hazardous has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [15:50] *** grody has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [15:50] *** grody has joined #arpnetworks [15:51] *** mercutio has quit IRC (K-Lined) [15:57] *** dwarren has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [16:05] *** hazardous has joined #arpnetworks [16:07] *** dwarren has joined #arpnetworks [17:04] *** mercutio has joined #arpnetworks [17:04] so somehow my ip has got onto dronebl, twice.. and i really don't see anything open :( [17:05] and it wants me to do a captcha, but I don't have X on the host I normally irc from.. [18:30] set up a bouncer on it [18:30] i dont know how i've managed to not have any of my IPs listed [18:30] i has a lot of enemies [18:34] remember i left a dns forwarder open for about a month.. was only because my ISP soon afte setup regular testing for certain "open" services i got an email about it [18:35] it was getting hit A LOT [18:36] problem with DNSBL's you can end up on one for no reason.. usually it's not a problem unless you are on more than one.. but i knw of people who have "cred" and can put any IP on any list [18:36] kinda sad really... that people can overlook candour with rep [18:38] apparently it's cos i used undernet [18:39] *** mercutio is now known as merc2 [18:40] erk how do i get weechat to check the next server [18:40] bah it's caching anyway [18:40] *** merc2 is now known as mercutio [18:41] huh?! [18:42] how does using an IRC count you as an open relay... [18:43] im tempted to open a mail relay (that sends false MDNs) so relayers think it's open and see how long it is before it gets flagged [18:43] i dunno it's dronebl experimental [18:43] anyone can add you [18:43] undernet i think is adding on failed dns lookup [18:44] they'd ♥ my IPv6 PM SLAAC [18:44] i looked it up fine, but looking up the irc server was failing for me and for level3 dns [18:44] i don't have ipv6 for irc hmm [18:44] i don't have ipv6 at all atm [18:45] all my IP6's default to their in.addr.arpa eq (had too many drinks to remember exactly) - which reaps havock with some IRCs [18:45] as the hostname is too long [18:45] trying to figure out how to use my ISP DNS to use my unbound for the DHCP mappings/hostnames [18:46] it does send lookups for some IPs, but i dont have it set up right [18:46] don't really want to run my own public DNS server either [18:47] rather have them private, have ISP DNS lookup mine (and only theirs) to provide the results I offer for IPs and not have every domain system want transfers [18:47] but tbh, DNS is a very grey area for me [19:36] *** cahess_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [19:40] *** cahess has joined #arpnetworks [20:01] I'm trying to set up a rdns record. my address is 174.136.96.202 so when I put that in the name field I get the error: Name is not within your IP range [20:03] I'm not sure if I"m doing this wrong. the previous host I was with didn't need a name. the domain/record shows 96.136.174.in-addr.arpa [20:03] is that the right ip address for your host? [20:04] that address I provided is correct, yes. [20:04] so you put in just the last ip [20:04] into ip/name you put 202 [20:04] and it updates down the bottom saying what it will look like [20:05]