[01:01] *** LT has joined #arpnetworks [01:04] *** twobithacker has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [01:52] *** m0unds_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [01:52] *** m0unds_ has joined #arpnetworks [02:11] mercutio: I can't imagine many IXPs accepting a member who only has a /28 of soembody else's address space [02:12] *** plett_ is now known as plett [02:14] https://twitter.com/arpnetworks/status/609286905834766336 I wonder if that fixed your VPS panic issue [02:14] TWITTER: Maintenance window on host kvr18 is over (Fri Jun 12 09:11:33 +0000 2015) [02:14] brycec ^ [02:18] let's see if bryce continues to get crashes [02:20] plett: one of the small ones here did [02:21] although it was a kind of metro ethernet thing [02:21] mercutio: Wow. Did they at least have an ASN? [02:21] didn't need asn [02:21] allowed it i mean [02:21] Ahh. Point-to-point link? [02:21] like small companies etc [02:21] it was like a huge ethernet network [02:21] with lots of buildings in central city having ethernet [02:21] and being able to get a port cheap compared to other options.. [02:22] And you used a small block of IPs from another ISP? Presumably the original ISP okayed that [02:23] i dunno, i never did it [02:23] i just remember reading about it [02:28] If it's a private closed network, you can pretty much do whatever you want. That won't fly if you want to connect to the internet [02:28] yeah that's what i mean [02:28] if you want to connect to a voip provider or such it's fine though [02:28] people used to always advertise isp owned address space here fwiw [02:28] like that's how the internet started... [02:29] Well [02:29] before APNIC, ARIN etc.. [02:29] there wasn't clear ownership [02:29] like when yo see impoted from on a subnet [02:31] There was clear assignment. Jon Postel maintained a list [02:31] maybe not in NZ as much [02:31] Even today, 'ownership' is probably the wrong term to use [02:31] it was before my time.. [02:32] yeah [02:32] it's messy [02:32] apparently a lot of /24s are being sold/bought etc now. [02:32] it used to be pretty common for small companies to have a /24 [02:33] Yeah. We bought a block of pre-RIR legacy space a few weeks ago [02:33] i don't even know how much ip address space is worth now days [02:33] i heard a figure of $5/IP [02:33] but that seems cheap [02:34] There isn't really a single price. It's really just down to how desparate the buyer is [02:36] I wasn't involved in the commercial side, just the technical bit. But we paid somehwere in the ballpark of a few hundred GBP for a /24 [02:36] I'm not even sure why we did it. I can't see us having a use for it any time soon [02:37] that sounds cheap [02:37] doesn't hurt [02:38] it'll be worth 1000 GBP easy soon [02:38] apparently people are buying up whole "legacy" companies to get ip address space. [02:38] i mean it's that or nat [02:39] like say you wanted to start a vps provider, with apnic you can get a /22... so you're limited to 1000 customers or something if they each get one ip.. [02:39] There is a business model in becoming a new RIPE LIR and getting an assignment of a /22, then selling the whole thing [02:39] RIPE are in the process of closing that loophole: https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/proposals/2015-01 [02:39] and you can't exactly have NAT for a VPS provider :) [02:41] so if you want to grow, you buy another vps provider :) [02:41] With the added bonus that it comes with an existing customer base [02:43] and probably solusvm :/ [02:43] i wonder if up_the_irons has considered buying out other vps providers to get a second location going [02:44] nope [02:44] i don't have that kind of money [02:44] ajj [02:44] ahh [02:57] my google foo is failing again. i don't know much vps providers sell for [03:25] *** cahess has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [03:26] *** cahess has joined #arpnetworks [06:52] https://twitter.com/TMCorp/status/609167065300271104 [06:52] TWITTER: Goooood morning Malaysia! http://t.co/DMiGfnUW3e (Fri Jun 12 01:15:20 +0000 2015, retweeted 174 times) [06:57] (they broke the internet) [07:22] wish i would have seen this when we talked about apple music the other day: http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/index.php/archives/2015/06/10/apple-music/ [07:22] summarizes it pretty well (ouch) [07:22] did you see the youtube video? [07:22] which? [07:23] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atfNL0_KAcs [07:23] YouTube video: "BBC mistakes cab driver for IT-expert" by f0xmuld3r [07:24] well it's years ago [07:24] lol [07:24] and only semi related, but it seems to be going around facebook [07:24] that's funny [07:25] i wodner why your link doesn't work for me [07:25] not working for me either anymore [07:25] i just read it a moment ago [07:25] haha [07:25] oh [07:26] weird [07:26] did you hear about the route leak? [07:26] nope [07:26] level3 leaked a whole lot of routes [07:26] enough to shut down peoples bgp sessions etc. [07:26] like a full table leak :/ [07:27] it came from malaysia telecom [07:27] who had just posted that thing on twitter i linked [07:27] apparently it was mostly europe that got damaged badly [07:27] dunno why [07:28] oh, that [07:28] yeah, saw the happy friday thing [07:28] ouch [07:29] http://www.bgpmon.net/massive-route-leak-cause-internet-slowdown/ [07:29] that's a more informative thing about it [07:29] that site loaded really slow, but i pastebinned the dude's post: http://pastebin.com/x2uFFqdN (the apple music thing) [07:29] pastebin loaded real fast :/ [07:29] of leftsetz loaded sometime for me too [07:29] maybe it got put on slsahot or doesn't [07:30] slashdot [07:30] it says wordpress [07:30] they probably haven't enabled caching :/ [07:30] which means it scales like siht [07:30] shit [07:30] i wish that stuff would be automatic :/ [07:30] yeah [07:30] i saw it posted in a few places, probably getting hammered [07:35] i better get to bed [07:35] That's what she said!! [07:35] it's like 2:30 am here [07:51] *** twobithacker has joined #arpnetworks [09:00] *** LT has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [10:00] *** mnathani__ is now known as mnathani_ [11:45] *** kevr has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [11:45] *** kevr has joined #arpnetworks [11:48] thats my hour! [11:49] * grody hates daylight hours [11:49] daytime has this side effect in the UK, all the idiots are solar powered [11:50] allthough im starting to suspect thats a worldwide phenomena [12:00] *** nclee has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [12:00] *** nclee has joined #arpnetworks [13:00] w [13:02] *** toeshred has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1) [13:06] *** toeshred has joined #arpnetworks [13:09] *** dj_goku has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [13:09] *** dj_goku has joined #arpnetworks [13:09] *** dj_goku has quit IRC (Changing host) [13:09] *** dj_goku has joined #arpnetworks [13:13] Yes, yes it is, grody. [15:23] brycec: is your crashing vps working ok? [15:23] (well too soon to know if it'll crash again) [15:25] correct [15:25] And before the kvr18 reboot it had run for longer than its previous crash runtime [15:25] Will be days before I know at the earliest [15:26] ahh ok [15:26] Before its two recent crashes, it had run for a month without issue [15:26] well it was being tempermental before [15:26] so it may have got worse for all i know :) [15:26] :p [15:52] how would performance compare going with a current gen i7 processor vs say dual xeon when building my own workstation? Ie: is it work the money/ performance / value going for the second processor? Workload will involve running several VMs simultaneously. [15:53] are all vms going to be hammering the cpu constantly? [15:53] because i think the largest benefit you'd see would be if they were all pretty busy and you were able to spread the load out more [15:58] vms will be light on cpu usage [15:58] test vms - various server os and linux [15:58] ah [15:59] if you were going to be running tons of busy vms, it might be worth it [15:59] but going smp with current gen xeons + multiproc mobos would be super pricey [16:01] From what you've described, even a mid-range i5 could work for you [16:01] yeah [16:02] Which is to say, even my i5-2400 which I used for my desktop (heavy-ish) and test VMs (VirtualBox, mix of lightweight and Windows) was easily up to the task [16:02] I do run Photoshop / Premiere Pro on occasion [16:03] no gaming though [16:04] I should probably note that my desktop was Linux. With Windows as a host, I wouldn't expect the same kind of performance (because Windows is just a hog, generally.) [16:06] my current setup is 3 years old - i7 960, 24 GB ram Windows 8.1 host - VMs alternate between Virtualbox and Vmware Workstation [16:14] current gen i7 would use less power, maybe 15% faster ipc [16:15] looks like 15-35% faster ipc, depending on operation [16:19] mnathani_: what kind of dual xeons do you mean? [16:20] you're stuck with 32gb maximum on shitty serers. [16:20] servers [16:20] w/dual, not so much [16:20] if you want to go 48gb you can do for e5620 or such [16:20] something like Intel Xeon E5-2620 v2 Ivy Bridge-EP 2.1GHz 15MB L3 Cache LGA 2011 80W BX80635E52620V2 Server Processor [16:20] 96gb dual e5620 [16:20] for smp of any kind, iirc, you have to go e5 [16:21] mnathani_: i wouldn't spend that much for personal use :/ [16:21] E5s are major overkill for home use [16:21] e5-2620s are really slow too :/ [16:21] you could build a separate i7 box just for vms for less than it would cost to build that [16:21] static: e5620s are like $100 for cpu :/ [16:21] and 6 core with hyper threading [16:21] so with dual it's like having 24 cpus :) [16:21] still overkill, tons of juice, not really a great idea for low use vms [16:21] haha [16:22] m0unds: 5620s are pretty light on power usage [16:22] i wouldn't say that at all [16:22] That's what she said!! [16:22] BryceBot: no [16:22] Oh, okay... I'm sorry. 'i wouldn't say that at all' [16:22] 5500 series is a good improvement over 5400 [16:22] 5600 a good improvement over 5500 [16:22] it's really only if you want more than 32gb of ram [16:23] i test vm's on a g3258 :/ [16:23] with 16gb of ram [16:24] I have an i7-4770, I would recommend it for your uses mnathani_ [16:24] i7-4770s are pertty great, as long as you're fine with 32gb of ram [16:24] Intel Core i7-4820K Ivy Bridge-E Quad-Core 3.7GHz (Turbo 3.9GHz) LGA 2011 130W BX80633i74820K Desktop Processor [16:24] how is that one [16:24] mnathani_: i'd go haswell.. [16:24] the desktop extreme class is really expensive normally [16:25] and you don't really need to overclock [16:25] mm [16:25] http://www.ebay.com/itm/Supermicro-M-board-X8DTL-3F-with-IPMI-SAS-SATA-I-OShield-2xSNK-P0037P-RAM-CPU-/321780349179?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item4aeb9a78fb [16:26] Integrated IPMI 2.0 with Dedicated LAN < thats cool [16:26] i like how he says "pooled from worked environment" [16:26] the biggest benefit to skt 2011 configs for workstations is that you can install more ram [16:27] and spend way more money on cpus w/more cores [16:27] but that's about it [16:27] m0unds: yeh but you get the same diff from the server stuff with dual cpus [16:27] and you can stick a second cpu in later and more ram still [16:27] ok well that server omotherboard has dual intel ethernet, dedicated ipmi more [16:28] remote kvm [16:28] onboard sas controller [16:28] but it lacks sata3 [16:28] and things like sata3 is where dekstop stuff can be better [16:28] as well as having faster ram speeds [16:28] also you have to use registered ram to use lots of memory [16:28] and more pcie lanes [16:28] and other stuff [16:29] i dunno last i saw the extreme series was like 2x as expensive as i7-4770 [16:29] when you factor in motherboard too [16:29] that's why i mentioned that you could build two 4770 boxes for the price of one of the other [16:29] it's liek $600 vs $300 for cpu, $400 vs $150 for motherboard or somethig [16:29] ahh ok :) [16:29] yeh mnathani how's that for an idea [16:30] build two i7-4770 boxes :) [16:30] also, if you want to go i7-4770 you can just go e3-1240v3 [16:30] or such [16:30] indeed [16:30] as long as you don'tneed onboard video [16:30] or the +5 for onboard video [16:30] then you can use ecc ram [16:30] you may not care about ecc though [16:31] http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon-E3-1245V3-SR14T-3-40GHZ-8MB-5GT-s-LGA-1150-Socket-H3-Quad-Core-CPU-/141689122324?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20fd546e14 [16:31] ebay is funny [16:31] so this seller says he won't sell to anyone in florida.. [16:31] but yeah e3 cpus aren't expensive really [16:31] the motherboards cost more... [16:32] i'd buy new for a current cpu though [16:32] rather than risk random ebay sellers [16:33] recently maxed out my desktop with 32GB of RAM, I'm all set for now [16:33] I suppose a GPU upgrade would be nice [16:33] just need your gpu to blow up and then you have an excuse [16:33] although i don't recommend that route [16:33] heh [16:33] hahah [16:33] (mine did it a couple weeks back) [16:34] * staticsafe hugs his GTX760 [16:34] why not just go g3258 16gb ram? [16:34] it's cheap [16:35] i doubt your requirements are really that steep, and they have great single threaded performance and cost a lot less :) [16:35] i think it's like $60 US for g3258 [16:35] and just get a cheap motherboard with 4 slots. [16:35] err with 4 memory slots [16:36] do 16gb now, upgrade to 32gb later. [16:36] and do ssd raid [16:36] and you're set :) [16:36] disk is usually more of a bottleneck than cpu [16:37] oh hangon mnathani_ you're trying to use the same computer for desktop and server stuff? [16:37] just keep the i7 960 for desktop stuff and get a computer for server stuff [16:47] two i7s, now thats an idea [16:48] mercutio: dont really have server workloads, more like some testing on different Operating systems and such [16:49] yeh g3258 or i7 then [16:49] so I gather dual xeon is just way too expensive and overkill for my needs [16:49] i3s and i5s are bad value [16:49] mnathani_: well dual xeon 5600 series isn't too expensive [16:49] what about the 6-core i7 [16:50] but would use more power [16:50] i wouldn't go for the 6 core i7 [16:51] http://www.ebay.com/itm/Matched-Pair-of-Two-2-Intel-Xeon-E5620-Quad-Core-2-40GHz-SLBV4-CPU-Processors-/271649222954?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f3f8e312a [16:51] e5620s are amazingly cheap now :/ [16:51] http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Xeon+E5620+%40+2.40GHz [16:51] but compare the performance compared to e3-1240v3 [16:52] https://cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Xeon+E5620+%40+2.40GHz&id=1249&cpuCount=2 [16:52] second link is dual cpu [16:52] so dual e5620 is actually slower than single e3-1240v3.. [16:52] ohit was 5640 with 6 cores i think [16:53] ahh l5640 i was thinking of for 6 core [16:54] which are slightly more expensive [16:54] http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-ProLiant-DL160-G6-1U-2x-XEON-HEX-CORE-L5640-2-26GHz-4xTRAYS-24GB-DDR3-SPECIAL-/281642808828?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item41933835fc [16:54] something liek that isn't that epxensive though [16:55] but 1u boxes suck for home use [16:55] put that sucker in a box and fill it with expanding foam [16:55] I have one of these gathering dust: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-PowerEdge-T605-QC-AMD-Opteron-2350-2GHz-8GB-4X-2GB-2X-1TB-SATA-HDD-/121662799414?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c53aafe36 [16:55] 32GB Ram, 2 x quad core AMD Opteron [16:55] yeh opterons suck [16:55] but why aren't you using it? [16:55] its just too loud to use in my room [16:56] yaeh [16:56] its in my apartment [16:56] it's easier to go quiet with desktop hardware [16:56] yep [16:56] i had a dual opteron server for a while - only coolers i could find that fit it were 1u dynatron blowers (8000rpm) [16:56] i'm actually running my i7-3770 on my windows box with no cpu fan. [16:56] just the case fan and a huge heatsync [16:57] seems to go fine. [16:57] liquid cooling? [16:57] ahh [16:57] nope [16:57] i wondered how it would go, so i tried it :) [16:57] and it's only windows :) [16:57] how about a heatsink though [16:57] i'm using a big thermaltake one [16:57] reading back now [16:57] you have a heatsink [16:57] thermaltake tower. [16:57] yeh i have a huge heatsync [16:58] it's 120 or 140mm or something [16:58] http://www.ixbt.com/cpu/heatpipe-giants-shootout/silent-tower-heatsink.jpg [16:58] something like that kind of thing [16:58] cool [16:58] it's not that one because it has 8 weird circular things in the end [16:58] but they're not too expensive.. [16:59] it's more expensive not using any hard-disks :) [16:59] going ssd only and having a decent amount of storage starts adding up.. [16:59] do you know of any workstation motherboards that have ipmi / kvm over ip [17:00] supermicro are common to get on ebay [17:00] or new [17:01] you can get hp stuff with lights out easy, but you don't tend to get just the motherboard. [17:01] lenovo are meant to do lights out too, but i've never touched any of it [17:01] i dunno if it was ibm or lenovo now [17:01] but they tend to use lsi controllers which is good [17:02] do you have another room your apartment? [17:02] lights out increases power use too btw [17:03] also a lot of the server motherboards are e-atx [17:03] so you need a bigger than normal case [17:03] there are other rooms, but are inhabited by other residents who would not be happy hosting server gear [17:04] yip [17:04] colo! [17:04] colo would be my preference [17:04] get that shit away from me! :) [17:05] if you've got lights out then colo you can even screw around with plenty [17:05] and you can just stick it in without doing any install or anything [17:05] adn do everythign remote :/ [17:05] i love virtual media :) [17:05] bbs [17:15] how is this motherboard: Asus SABERTOOTH X99 ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard [17:22] not sure [17:22] looks expensive :) [17:22] it's ddr4, which you still pay a premium for memory for [17:22] 2011-v3 is ddr4 [17:23] good to know and watch out for [17:23] does 2011 support 64 GB ram? [17:23] it's not insane [17:23] $275 US for 32gb of ram [17:24] it's quad channel, so you kind of want to go straight to 32gb.. [17:24] i think 16gb sticks will come out for ddr4 [17:25] that motherboard does x4 m2 :) [17:25] https://www.asus.com/ca-en/Motherboards/SABERTOOTH_X79/ [17:25] that one is 2011 [17:26] and supports 64 Gb [17:26] yeh you can go 64gb right now with that motherboard [17:26] 128gb in the future i imagine [17:26] ddr3 can't do 16gb sticks on desktops cos of intel bug [17:27] otherwise we'd be able to get 16gb sticks easier :) [17:29] http://www.crucial.com/ProductDisplay?urlRequestType=Base&catalogId=10151&categoryId=12502&productId=599685&urlLangId=-1&langId=-1&top_category=&parent_category_rn=12502&storeId=10151 [17:29] oh it's registered [17:29] probably wouldn't work in that motherboard [18:05] haha [18:05] https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/t31.0-8/10914977_10152809997716851_748171875526832420_o.jpg [18:06] lol [18:12] http://www.ipv4auctions.com/ [18:14] brycec: after talking about TRIM on third party drives w/OSX the other day - there's a new tool in el capitan that enables TRIM on third party devices [18:14] *** carvite has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [18:15] throws up "OMGZ YUR DATAZ MIGHT GET CORRUPTED AN STUFF" errors, but it does enable TRIM [18:15] so maybe apple is softening their stance on that [18:15] but requiring signed drivers sounds bad in general [18:15] it should be optional [18:15] maye with a warning [18:17] * m0unds shrugs [18:28] m0unds: ohhh? [18:28] link? [18:28] one sec [18:29] http://www.macrumors.com/2015/06/12/os-x-el-capitan-trim-support/ [18:29] might only be there because it's a dev release, but who knows [18:30] hm. thx for the link [18:34] *** carvite has joined #arpnetworks [18:40] *** mnathani_ has quit IRC () [18:40] *** mnathani has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3)