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   RandalSchwartz: I guess my host server upgrade went ok.  Now to finish my guest server upgrade. :)
   mercutio: yip
   brycec: Weird. That same VPS on kvr18 that was dead (kvm process died) yesterday was kernel panicked this morning.
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   grody: hmm.. linux & HP printers... how the hell can i get this thing to join my wifi w/o going into windows...
   
 i rather not boot into windows just to USB in and do it... surely there is another way... (cant do crap from it's 3in display)
   
 oh wow.. feel free to use me as a punching bag
   
 hplip-setup can do it
   mnathani_: brycec: are you suggesting the kvr18 host has some issue?
   brycec: Maybe? I mean, not really but I don't have enough information. It's just weird.
   
 If the kvm process hadn't died completely the other day, I wouldn't even be looking at the host :p
   mnathani_: and you know the process had died as VNC was not accepting connections?
   brycec: And because all I had to do was click "boot"
   mnathani_: Is there a mailing list similar to NANOG that focuses on System Adminstration ?
   grody: ugh i hate firefox - why do they think they are being helpful disabling IPv6 DNS records, thus forcing IPv4 usage
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   mnathani_: happy eyeballs maybe?
   staticsafe: happy eyeballs
   
 if your IPv6 is not working or is slow it will fast fallback to v4
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   grody: indeed
   
 some tests indicate it in seconds (<2) - which is enough to let me know something is amiss
   
 innernets @ home is usually lightning fast, any delay usually indicates a b0rk
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   grody: http://ipv6-test.com/  says < 1s
   
 dead AAAA record with valid A record, just over a second for browser (Chromium) to fall back to 4
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   sorressean: Is there anyone besides up_the_irons  that can do anything with servers? I issued a shutdown to the wrong server and I can't get in through IPMI. there's a ton of stuff running on that box, need it up asap. was trying to see if someone would power it on.
   brycec: Can't reach its IPMI? That sounds like a major failure (or user error)
   
 sorressean: What's the issue with IPMI?
   sorressean: brycec:  user error. I'm not sure if I'm mistyping the pass, but I can't log into the VPN.
   brycec: sorressean: Mind if I PM you?
   sorressean: brycec:  go for it
   brycec: And it's resolved. :)
   
 Oh Supermicro, you make no sense! IPMI firmware 1.42 "firmware build time" is 2014. Version 1.64 is 2012.
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   sorressean: sweet. everything back to normal. thanks again. I was trying to show some work for my job and rebooted the wrong server. :o
   
 well, shutdown. so it was slightly scary. Don't mind me... I just shut down my box, come back later!
   brycec: lol
   
 We've all kicked the wrong box ;)
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   ant: molly-guard ftw
   brycec: @google molly-guard
   BryceBot: 609,000 total results returned for 'molly-guard', here's 3
   
 Big red button - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_red_button) Contents. [hide]. 1 Usages; 2 Symbolism. 2.1 Contemporary Definition. 3  Computing and industrial; 4 Molly-guard; 5 See also; 6 References ...
   
 molly-guard - Wiktionary (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/molly-guard) molly-guard ... From Molly (“female given name”) + guard. ... 4341 mainframe  after a programmer's toddler daughter (named Molly) tripped it twice in one day.
   
 Debian -- Details of package molly-guard in sid (https://packages.debian.org/sid/molly-guard) protects machines from accidental shutdowns/reboots.
   brycec: lol, a molly-guard over top a keyboard sounds highly ineffective.
   
 the package looks interesting though.
   sorressean: anyone installed php56 on freebsd? I'm struggling to find the APC package (pecl-apc is only for php55 not php56).
   brycec: I have.
   
 but I don't bother with APC
   
 What about pecl-APCu?
   grody: proof simple confuses me: i was able to build beklin sources for a router for a chump (albeit it was horrid and didn't Just Work(tm) and needed all kinds of fu's) - however, i can not for the ♥ of me get a 232mb file from laptop 1 to laptop 2 over the wifi - i just had to pendrive transfer the bloody file
   
 and wc :D
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   mercutio: grody: some kind of bug with scp?
   
 brycec: is kvr18 in the current batch of upgrades?
   
 ie did you get an email
   brycec: mercutio: Thursday
   mercutio: cool.
   brycec: I wish my coworkers would stop calling this 'arpanetworks'
   mercutio: heh
   brycec: Date: 06/12/2015    Maintenance Window: 01:00AM - 02:30AM PDT (08:00 - 09:30 UTC)   
   
 So Friday morning technically
   mercutio: yeh.
   
 yeh i figured
   
 it's friday evening for me :/
   brycec: If I'm smart, I'll remember to migrate the load off that VPS
   
 I wonder if there's more downtime if I copy that VPS over to another, or just live with the reboot?
   mercutio: there is around 45 to 60 minutes downtime
   brycec: Yeah that's what the email said
   mercutio: i'd just live with the reboot myself
   
 that said
   
 i don't know why your vps woudl be crashing
   brycec: Yeah that's annoying too. It's usually okay...
   
 But there have been some externally-triggerable bugs with KVM in the past. Who knows.
   
 I think I could have a hot-spare ready to take over the VPS load with minimal downtime (just the time to rsync and transfer IP's)
   mercutio: sweet
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   grody: mercutio, no idea... i just assumed it was a "Gag me with a spoon" day
   
 it would talk to internet, but not locally
   mercutio: seems strange
   
 is that the day you were like screw it i'm going to pub
   
 i seem to recall you saying something like that
   grody: lol yea
   
 but it was today too.. normally it's saturdays that hit me with daily wtfs
   mercutio: heh
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   grody: i need to start coding again
   brycec: @py print "Hello, world!"
   BryceBot: Hello, world!
   brycec: There, all done coding for the day.
   grody: amount of bad code i've seen lately im just horrified and i cant diss them for being bad coders when they can do something i cant
   
 lol
   
 python is script, not code :P
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   grody: it's the whole, book in one hand, laptop on lap and trying to flick between them that puts me off
   brycec: @go package main; import "fmt"; func main() { fmt.Println("Hello, world!") }
   BryceBot: Hello, world!n
   brycec: That better, grody ? :P
   grody: i've snipped and cut enough code to understand the basics, can build simple arrays and functions in C++, but nothing fancy
   
 haha
   brycec: Go *is* a compiled language ;P
   grody: can't python be binary built, or is that ruby?
   brycec: Most scripting languages can sorta. Python gets compiled to byte-code at runtime, little .py[co] files
   grody: ahh
   
 it's the whitesspaces i hate in python
   brycec: @py print " "*40 + "Was that enough whitespace?"
   BryceBot: Was that enough whitespace?
   mercutio: interpreting vs compiling code doesn't really change that you're writing code
   
 grody: c has white space too
   
 perl code heavy with regexp's seems like it has no white space
   
 i kind of don't like code to be condensed too much
   grody: C & C++ are just perfect for me
   
 bash scripting is something i enjoy too
   
 but absolutely suck at regexp
   
 to be honest, even though i can spend days tinkering getting somethig to work the way i want.. i dont get why i never got into programming
   
 never had fancy computers at school only acorns and bbc micros with at best an econet to play with
   
 but making small BASIC apps to run talking pendown a rude statement halfway though registration always got a laugh
   
 do ♥ networking though
   
 figured out that issue... the wifi had ap isolation on
   
 total plebbkac
   mercutio: i like c
   
 i don't really do c++
   
 i hate complicated regexp, it always means figuring out what it's doing bit by bit
   
 it's often worse reading than writing
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   mkb: so when you get new IP space at ARP you get to see the previous customer's PTR records...
   brycec: At least until up_the_irons fixes it, yep
   mkb: I managed to convince a company I'm part of to use ARP so I get to do all this again
   brycec: I'm a little bummed that I didn't gain any mystery PTR's when I grew to a /28 here
   
 Nice, congrats to you and ARP
   mkb: which also means I get to use OpenBSD :)
   brycec: o/
   
 Subnet Usage: Used: 11 | Free: ~184·10^17 (100%)
   
 fun with /64 subnetting :D
   mkb: don't know how long this'll last. the CEO is pushing Amazon but I didn't think we needed that complexity yet
   
 heh
   brycec: Amazon tends to make a terrible VPS provider because EC2 isn't a VPS, it's a cog in a machine. I hope your CEO understands that and isn't just riding the hype and buzz :/
   mkb: He doesn't. Fortunately he knows that so he'll defer to my decision. I know that's rarer than it should be
   brycec: That's rarer than a CEO actually know that stuff.
   
 *knowing
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   mercutio: arp needs to increase prices closer to amazon to compete more directly with people who wnat touse amazon like a vps
   
 because if it's more expensive it must be better
   
 well have a second tier i mean
   
 mkb yay for openbsd
   brycec: I thought that was the "Only schmucks pay the extra $10 on dedicated machines" tier?
   mercutio: heh.
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