[02:09] *** carvite has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [02:13] *** carvite has joined #arpnetworks [05:10] *** dj_goku has joined #arpnetworks [05:10] *** dj_goku has quit IRC (Changing host) [05:10] *** dj_goku has joined #arpnetworks [07:16] milki: i always leave a printed sheet of paper weighted by a rock, but it eventually blows away :( [07:22] *** Guest10976 is now known as qbit [10:07] *** kevr is now known as PrincessLady [10:21] *** PrincessLady has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in) [10:23] *** PrincessLady has joined #arpnetworks [11:37] up_the_irons: around? [11:39] I've got an order I wanted to check the status on [12:14] *** relrod_ has joined #arpnetworks [12:18] *** relrod has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [12:31] *** relrod_ is now known as relrod [12:58] *** kellytk has joined #arpnetworks [12:58] Hi everyone [12:59] Does anyone know in some detail how the VNC service is provided to VPS customers? As in, if it's a separate physical appliance, or if it's a virtual VNC service provided by KVM, or other entirely? [13:00] provided by kvm, iirc [13:02] huh, just found some weird reverse dns records on my account [13:02] not things I created. [13:05] changed my password for good measure .. but maybe i could get a record of when they were added? [13:05] and if it was from my account? [13:06] qbit: did you grow your IP space? Probably records from the previous user. [13:06] qbit: Can you show the DNS record? I might know what it is [13:07] brycec: ya, got new ip space [13:07] few for agatl.net and one for unixterrorist.com [13:07] Good call brycec [13:07] (it came up just yesterday with another customer) [13:08] Oh sorry, Saturday http://irclogger.arpnetworks.com/irclogger_log/arpnetworks?date=2015-06-06,Sat [13:09] ok, i feel less bad about that... [13:09] but it still seems shady :D [13:09] I agree, when IP space is disused, records should be expunged [13:09] up_the_irons: ^ [13:10] Is anyone aware of an issue with VNC where attempting to connect from two different IPs causes VNC to freeze, requiring a VPS reboot? [13:11] I am not aware of any issues. That seems like a bit of an edgecase. [13:12] From the KB: "Only 1 VNC connection per VPS is supported. If you leave a connection open on one computer, and try to connect from another, it will hang." [13:12] well there's your answer. [13:13] Yep [13:19] *** cahess has joined #arpnetworks [13:20] Afternoon, all. I was curious what the turn-around time was on new signups getting provisioned? [13:21] Typically within 24 hours, but that's not a promise as it is a human being with a life. [13:21] Awesome. Just wanted to make sure it wasn't a week =) Thanks! [13:22] I'd expect it in a couple hours from now, typically. [13:22] Sounds good. Placed it yesterday, but I don't count weekends, in hopes that people are out actually having fun. [13:32] *** cahess has quit IRC () [14:05] *** kellytk has left "WeeChat 1.0.1" [14:10] it's good to see more people coming on irc [14:10] of course they seem to just come in ask a question and leave ;/ [14:10] but i tihkn i started that way [14:10] i just forgot to leave [14:14] lol [14:33] once they learn about screen / tmux / weechat / irssi and have a vps, you will find them idling in here a lot more [14:34] eventually they will connect with multiple nicks, and from different networks, say home, cellphone, work etc [14:34] eh [14:34] you don't need multiple nicks with tmux/screen [14:34] I meant one connection from home, another from the vps [14:34] but you do with mutliple connections :P [14:34] to the same channel [14:35] I use a bouncer, but I still have a second connection from a separate place just in case of network issues :p [14:35] * brycec ends too many sentences with emoji :( [14:35] Including that one! D: [14:40] do you share a bouncer with your bot, brycec? [14:42] yes [14:47] so is the new os x version going to work on security? [14:47] anandtech seemed to say nothing of the kind [14:47] os x seems a bit sketchy security wise [14:49] * brycec hasn't been following today's news at all [14:56] apparently Apple made a ton of announcements [15:00] it is their big announcement event afterall [15:12] yeah, apparently they're trying to improve their graphics performance [15:12] for graphics performance is considerably worse than linux [15:18] phoroning was benchmarking a p4 today (recently?); it's interesting to see just how much better things are now [15:18] a p4 is still faster than home routers though, so i wonder how home routers place [15:32] there are sites that benchmark lan/wan perf of home routers and whatnot [15:32] smallnetbuilder is one [15:33] there are a couple others i can't think of [15:33] do they benchmark samba performance on pc's? [15:33] idk [15:34] yes, USB 3.0 read/write speed [15:35] 2.0 on older stuff [15:35] pc's as routers i meant [15:35] to compare ;) [15:38] i was answering to where home routers place - i guess you could look at his numbers and figure out your own w/a pc [15:41] *** cahess has joined #arpnetworks [15:42] i only really care because i found an old atom too slow for samba [15:42] the j1900s are probably fine [16:25] brycec: I agree ,we should kill the records [16:26] mkb: i'm around [16:30] RandalSchwartz: mercutio : I actually stopped putting "Monday" , " [16:30] RandalSchwartz: mercutio : I actually stopped putting "Monday" , "Tuesday", etc... in maintenance notices just for that reason . can confuse people and myself too! [16:31] *** PrincessLady is now known as kevr [16:32] up_the_irons: perhaps revert to 1.2.3.4-static.arpnetworks.com when a customer leaves or no longer needs the ip space [16:32] mercutio, and then you have the likes of me.. who hangs around and jibbers sometimes [16:33] whats a good link for the apple coverage from today? [16:36] umm, launched music service, open sourced swift, promised an emphasis on performance and battery from osx and ios [16:36] and that's all i gleaned from what i read [16:38] shutupandtakemymoney.jpg [16:40] mnathani_: i think i'd just delete the record(s) [16:41] grody: you're around quite a lot :) [16:41] m0unds: do you know how the new music service would differ from itunes? [16:41] being uk and all you're around at some times that some americans aren't as much [16:41] up_the_irons: it'd be like spotify more [16:41] but with video [16:42] * grody is usually a night owl [16:42] but somehow, that's an innovative approach to music because there aren't any other streaming svcs in existence [16:42] hahaha [16:42] grody: i think most of us here are other than RandalSchwartz :) [16:43] who was I talking to about Nefarious and X3? [16:48] m0unds: ah ok [16:49] up_the_irons: apple ate beats music, and i think they're just spinning the svc around, polishing it and calling it apple music or whatever the name of it will be [16:49] (along w/their acquisition of all the other beats stuff) [16:50] there was an earlier streaming svc called mog that i used for years, but beats bought them out and ruined their model. they were more album and sound-quality focused than spotify was at the time [16:51] beats added a bunch of silly shit like celebrity playlists and stuff, made the apps shinier and reduced audio quality [16:51] i think they had fewer than 1m users when apple bought beats [16:55] interesting [16:58] how does pandora compare? [16:58] well, w/pandora you tell it something you like and it guesses what else you might like [16:59] or do you mean user count wise? [16:59] if the latter, i have no idea [17:02] for audio quality etc. [17:04] *** cahess has quit IRC () [17:08] lololol, typical Apple-hype field thinking, perfectly summed up 16:40:24 m0unds | but somehow, that's an innovative approach to music because there aren't any other streaming svcs in existence [17:10] Last I knew, Pandora was 128kps MP3. That was a couple years ago. [17:10] http://help.pandora.com/customer/portal/articles/90985-audio-quality [17:10] mercutio: ^ definitive [17:10] at least as far as codecs go\ [17:10] spotify does something like 96/160/320 or something to that effect [17:11] brycec: https://twitter.com/bkurbs/status/607988178364985344 [17:11] TWITTER: Dad stop. #WWDC15 http://t.co/K90vEvW09W (Mon Jun 08 19:10:52 +0000 2015, retweeted 1205 times) [17:11] That tweet made NO sense before the Gif had loaded. [17:11] is that good or bad compared to what other people are doing? [17:12] mercutio: It's in-line with everyone else, a bit higher [17:12] lol [17:13] haha, spotify CEO "reacted" to the announcement by saying: "Oh ok." [17:13] the deleted it for some reason. SKURRED. [17:13] haha [17:14] i did a/b testing with ogg vorbis, wav, and mp3 in 2001 [17:14] https://twitter.com/tomwarren/status/607982271321116672 [17:14] TWITTER: Apple Music. Delivering you the best of U2 whether you want it or not (Mon Jun 08 18:47:23 +0000 2015, retweeted 173 times) [17:14] mp3 128kbit was terrible back then. [17:14] but so was 320kbit mp3 [17:14] i like m4a, sounds better at 224vbr than mp3, smaller file size too [17:14] so i just encode my stuff to flac and transcode flac to > m4a if i want lossy for whatever reason [17:15] it's complicated though, as 320kbit was doing a noticable degredation that wasn't too impacting [17:15] but was easy to notice in a/b testing. [17:15] this is blind a/b [17:15] i also did blind a/b with two sound cards [17:15] yea, i used some plugin for foobar to a/b m4a vs mp3 [17:15] have you tried ogg vorbis? [17:15] i couldn't ab ogg vorbis at ~192kbit [17:16] against wav. [17:16] i stick to m4a or mp3 because mroe devices support those natively [17:16] ok [17:16] yeah i don't care nearly as much as i did when i was younger. [17:17] it was partially because my flatmate had a soundblaster live that i was adament sounded bad with sp/dif output [17:17] i ended up getting a usb dac and headphone amp for my pc, i like it a lot [17:17] and he was like it's digital, it shouldn't sound any different. [17:17] and so we ab'ed it against my cmi8738. [17:17] i have the first gen version of http://schiit.com/products/magni-2 and http://schiit.com/products/modi-2 [17:17] and yeah it was easy to spot, even when running a long sp/dif cable from my sound card. [17:18] sound blaster live used to go digital -> analogue -> digital [17:18] and resample to 48k [17:18] i have a music fidelity x-dac. [17:18] a bit old now. [17:20] erk hangon [17:21] it may have been x-24k [17:21] i think [17:22] yeah x-24k, and i haven't used it for a while [17:22] i should switch back to it, i was evaluating cheap chinese dac's :/ [17:24] http://www.ebay.com/itm/Musical-Fidelity-X-24K-DAC-/201367218931?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2ee26beaf3 [17:24] i wonder how much they're going for now [17:31] i've heard good things about some of fiio's stuff [17:31] i think they're chinese [17:31] could be wrong [17:32] Fiio and Schiit are well regarded [17:32] Creative have a spotty history, but I'm happy with my E5 [17:34] when i first was into audio i was all about what sounded good to me. [17:34] and it was much harder to find information etc. [17:34] and products locally.. [17:35] but basically by using a good dac and a computer, i could have great sound quality on par with expensive cd players etc. [17:35] now all computers seem to have built in sp/dif etc, and good audio quality seems to be by default. [17:36] and i kind of realised that listening to music too intensely just makes you look for issues, rather than get into the groove of it [17:36] and you can never be satisfied, something twice as good might sound a little better, but that doesn't mean you need to spend more money.. [17:37] and now i'm using a cheap $10 or $20 ebay chinese dac powered off usb .. [17:38] and the only real issue is that it makes a loud noise when turning on/off [17:39] what i'd like is a dac that can take two audio inputs and mix them to one pair of stereo speakers. [17:40] so i can play music in linux or windows; atm i'm just running linux through my monitor for pidgin. [17:43] heh, I do that with my E5. USB DAC takes audio from Linux, SP/DIF line-in takes audio from my Windows desktop, and Bluetooth takes audio from my phone and it all plays out my headphones. (plus it also has a stereo mic) [17:43] (it has all sorts of features!) [17:45] so you're recording from sp/dif input? [17:45] maybe my audigy does sp/dif input [17:47] neat.. i have beagleboards providing me audio in the flat [17:47] usb is kind of nifty. i'm using a usb mic now, after giving up trying to get semi-decent microphone quality with analogue [17:47] can walk around and have my music on my phone come with [17:47] heh i'd like to be able to walk around and have music and phone calls nicely wherever i go [17:48] i can walk around my room nad talk on mic fine. [17:48] still working on the phone calls one... not keen on planting mics all around the place though [17:48] the echo cancelling seems to work fine with speakers and mic with skype [17:48] well i mostly just want my kitchen and main room [17:48] toilet and study for me :D [17:48] i'm quite impressed with this microphone [17:48] haha [17:49] for music or phone calls? [17:49] music... i've made a point of not doing the other on the phone [17:49] i hate it when you're on a phone call and want to go to the toilet [17:49] everything echoes [17:49] and you're like "can i get away with it?" [17:49] hahaha [17:49] trying to pee up the side of the pan.... pleeeease dont answer [17:50] haha [17:50] i've started shifting to speaker phone mode much more now [17:50] it's quite freeing. [17:51] it's especially good if you're typing as you talk. [17:51] but i find the biggest problem is when people talk quietly it's harder to hear them [17:52] with a normal headset it's easier to listen hard, but with speakers there's background noise too. [17:53] All mixing is done on the device itself. No specific recording being done, no tromboning. 17:43:39 mercutio | so you're recording from sp/dif input? [17:55] oh [17:56] so your dac can mix [17:56] damn i never found one t hat could, and i looked :) [17:56] you must have better google foo than i [18:02] heh, it's not an advertised feature, nor one I was specifically looking for [18:02] Just noticed it one day... [18:08] ahh [18:11] this is probably a stupid qiuestion, so feel free to give a stupid answer.. but us there any potential issues on type of encryptions that can be used on tunnels between here and my ARP VPS? [18:11] shouldn't be [18:12] if you're using udp tunneling you're rate limited to 5 megabit by default [18:12] unless you put in ticket request to get it removed [18:14] http://support.arpnetworks.com/kb/main/is-there-a-firewall-filter-rate-limit-or-similar-device-applied-to-my-traffic [18:14] Only apples to non-OpenVPN/1194 traffic [18:14] so OpenVPN on the default port is fine. [18:15] ahh ok i didn't realise that [18:15] i thought it was blanket [18:15] hm [18:16] i had mine removed [18:16] L2TP/IPSEC would be rate limited then [18:16] yip [18:16] oh ipsec might not be [18:16] l2tp would be. [18:17] doesn't ipsec create another protocol [18:17] i forget how it works [18:17] L2TP wrapped up in IPSec iirc [18:17] are you doing l2tp/ipsec? [18:18] still contemplating openvpn or l2tp/ipsec [18:18] you can always test to see if it goes more than 5 megabit [18:18] l2tp/ipsec is better if you want to connect from phones etc. [18:18] openvpn is easier to setup if you just want a simple vpn for linux [18:18] site-to-site [18:19] site to site openvpn is pretty simple [18:19] openvpn was a pita last time i tried s2s [18:19] oh? [18:19] how so? [18:19] simple things confuse me [18:19] i don't think people call l2tp/ipsec simple [18:20] i've only ever heard of myself saying l2tp it simple. [18:20] is [18:20] and that's without ipsec :) [18:20] its the pushing of all of the routes in the client (it can be a headache).. with the L2TP/IPSec, pfSense will show it up as a configurable adapter and end up being treated like any NIC [18:20] ok [18:20] openvpn is all psuedo and needs server/client matches [18:20] just go with l2tp/ipsec if pfsense makes it simple [18:20] l2tp is yea.. setting up the ipsec is the hard part [18:20] i use l2tp with mpd, which is probably what pfsense uses. [18:21] yea [18:21] if you use radius you can just send a framed route stanza. [18:21] it may have some way withotu radius too. [18:22] there's an alternative grody [18:22] you can just run bgp or ospf across your tunnel [18:22] ospf would have to be in p2p mode [18:23] yea everything i do atm keeps pointing be back at quagga [18:23] which means if you ever want to get fancy and have more than one tunnel going out different routes you can fail over the routes. [18:23] you can do the same with more specific route as wlel though [18:23] i use bird :) [18:24] but quagga should work too [18:24] actually on freebsd i use openbgpd [18:24] whichseems a little unstable [18:25] but yeah there are a few choices [18:27] would ospf/etc work over a GRE? [18:27] just realised the L2TP in this is session only, no actually L2 tunneling [18:29] yeh [18:29] ospf can do peer to peer ormulticast. [20:35] how can routers that are behind site to site vpns become ospf neighbours? [20:35] ospf router 1 <> VPN Router 1 <> Internet cloud<> VPN Router 2 <> OSPF ROuter 2 [20:42] by running ospf over a p2p tunnel [20:43] funny, you guys were just talking about ospf and GRE a few hours ago [20:43] it was l2tp not gre [20:44] but yeah same diff [21:41] brycec: whats an E5 ? [21:46] @google E5 [21:46] 13,300,000 total results returned for 'E5', here's 3 [21:46] E5 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E5) E5, E05 or E-5 may refer to: E5 (EP), an album by Ivy Queen; E5 fuel, a mixture of 5% ethanol and 95% gasoline; E5 National Highway, a National Highways of ... [21:46] Samsung Galaxy E5 - Full phone specifications (http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_e5-6906.php) Samsung Galaxy E5 Android smartphone. Announced 2015, January. Features 3G, 5.0″ Super AMOLED capacitive touchscreen, 8 MP camera, Wi-Fi, GPS, ... [21:46] Xeon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xeon) 7.1 E3-12xx-series "Sandy Bridge"; 7.2 E3-12xx v2-series "Ivy Bridge"; 7.3 E5- 14xx/24xx series "Sandy Bridge-EN" and E5-16xx/26xx/46xx-series "Sandy ... [21:46] Smartphone? [21:47] Creative E5 [21:48] (I thought it was clear in the context - had mentioned it by its full name at the time) [21:48] er, the discussion had been about Creative hardware immediately preceding. [21:48] http://www.amazon.com/Creative-High-Resolution-Headphone-Amplifier-Bluetooth/dp/B00MXJYDUO [21:48] Amazon: "Creative Sound Blaster E5 High-Resolution USB DAC 600 ohm Headphone Amplifier with Bluetooth" [21:49] yeah i'd never heard of it before, but it still made sense to me [21:52] I use one of these for my audio needs: http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-CA-9011124-EU-Gaming-Headset/dp/B00F0IZQQ0/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&qid=1433825437&sr=8-13&keywords=corsair+usb+headset [21:52] Amazon: "Corsair Vengeance 1500 CA-9011124-EU Dolby 7.1 USB Gaming Headset" [22:13] i haev a headset too, and i can't wear it for more than an hour [22:14] speakers+mic is much more comfortable [22:27] Agreed. A very comfy pair of headphones + the nice mics in my Creative E5 makes "speakerphone" fantastic. (Except for it picking up my keyboard typing.) [22:28] heh my keyboard typing gets picked up too [22:28] my keyboard i'm finding a lot noiser than i remember it being. [22:29] i do think my typo rate went down though. [22:29] The "problems" of having a mechanical keyboard and sensitive microphones. I just get good at muting myself anyways, or not typing, or typing very softly (they're smooth linear switches so no click at least, just the basic sound as the key hits the bottom) [22:30] yeah this is blue and you have to press quite hard. [22:30] well compared to red. [22:30] it seems more so at least. [22:30] I'm typing on blacks :D [22:30] (so I know about force) [22:30] (but not about "click") [22:31] yeah i think the hardest i have is brown [22:31] I know my typing's improved with it. They keys are properly spaced, they all move smoothly in the same direction, etc. My prior Logitech keyboard was nice but the keys annoyed the heck out of me, never quite smooth and frequently jamming. [22:31] i find i bump left ctrl sometimes. [22:31] That's what she said!! [22:31] and that's been better with blue than red. [22:32] it probably means i'm sitting too low :) [22:32] actually i think it means the desk is too high [22:32] I've come to learn the importance of proper chair height and typing [22:33] i should figure out how to adjust my desk height [22:33] i'm pretty sure it's doable. [22:34] red 45, black 60, blue 50 [22:34] apparently browns are just as hard to press as red [22:35] so red is hardly lighter than blue, but feels considerably lighter, hmm.. [22:36] It would be nice if my desk were a bit higher, but it's not quite easy. It has 5 legs that I'd have to shove something under. Or there are some kits out there. [22:36] Which would be awesome - electric raise and lower [22:36] yeah i was wondering about sticking something under my chair to fix [22:37] i've love it if my desk coudl go up and down by itself [22:37] These get pretty expensive http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/categories/departments/workspaces/18962/ [22:37] i'd kind of like to tilt my desk [22:37] but there's stuff on it :) [22:37] lol [22:37] actually what would be cool is a desk that half tilts [22:37] like you have somewhre for coffee etc that doesn't tilt [22:37] and the back can tilt up a bit [22:37] Why do you want the desk to tilt? [22:38] hmm.. [22:38] i dunno i like looking up at things. [22:38] and i'd rather not have a monitor standing really tall up [22:38] with nothing beside it [22:39] Not sure I can envision what you're describing [22:39] so the desk goes liek -/ [22:39] with some break aways for monitor etc. [22:39] maybe some trays in the / bit etc. [22:40] kind of like the difference between round rooms and square rooms [22:40] square is more pratical but round looks cooler [22:42] I'd argue that round is more efficient. Square leaves relatively unusable space in the form of the back corner. [22:43] usually round is made from the square shape though [22:43] so it can't be bigger than the square it was from [22:44] A round desk has uniform depth. A square desk and room does not have uniform depth... [22:44] oh i was thinking square room [22:45] thie desk being deep really helps me [22:45] it makes it feel a lot bigger [22:48] Everything on my desk ends up wrapping around anyways.Any extra space just gets covered with "clutter" [22:50] heh [22:50] i have multiple desks. [22:50] and i still have clutter. [22:52] Oh for sure it doesn't solve things. But the less space there is, the more I'm forced to put things away somewhere else... perhaps a drawer of clutter. But at least everything looks tidy. [22:52] ahh my problem is i have too much stuff. [22:52] and no garage [22:53] same. [23:55] *** NiTe has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)