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The average low is 49°F (9°C), and the record of 46°F (7°C) was set in 1998 [13:34] winter is coming [13:35] actually shouldn't winter be leaving for you? [13:48] *** carvite has joined #arpnetworks [14:16] *** Seji has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [14:30] *** mercutio has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [14:35] *** mercutio has joined #arpnetworks [14:35] *** mercutio is now known as Guest64792 [14:36] *** Guest64792 is now known as mercutio [14:51] *** tooth has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [17:02] qbit: thanks! [17:03] mnathani_: thanks! [17:03] for spotting that [17:04] Starting on June 27, Google Calendar will no longer send SMS notifications. [17:04] which sucks [17:04] np up_the_irons [17:13] mnathani_: Unless you're a paying GApps customer [17:13] I was amused by their justification, essentially "everybody has smartphones now so we don't need to send SMS anymore" [17:19] \o/ [17:57] i had an issue w/google sending me sms about a meeting i deleted a year ago [17:57] it was amusing and annoying at the same time [17:57] recurring meeting, happened every 2 weeks [18:21] damn m0unds [18:21] that sonuds rather annoying [18:22] yea, it took forever for them to figure out what happened. the event wasn't showing up in the calendar, but was still present somewhere else [18:25] so i read about comcast giving their customers $5 today due to dns outage. [18:25] how does comcast manage to have such a big dns outage? [18:26] who knows [18:26] not impacted myself because i don't use their resolvers [18:26] and how many people will care either way about a $5 service credit. [18:27] didn't google public dns have an outage or something recently? [18:27] remembered seeing something about it on nanog or somewhere [18:27] google dns is kind of unreliable [18:27] but a lot of their outages are limited in area. [18:27] and short. [18:28] umm, comcast outage impacted SFO area and SEA area [18:28] probably not /that/ many subs without svc [18:28] Plus, you know, nobody is paying "for" Google DNS :P Comcast on the other hand... [18:28] yeah a friend was mentioning how bad he was finding comcast. [18:28] well, nobody pays comcast for dns either [18:28] but he could still skype [18:28] it's value added or something [18:29] tell him to try out centurylink for perspective [18:29] haha [18:29] It's inherent in being an ISP when you hand out that IP as part of your services [18:29] don't think he has any other options. [18:29] he's in santa clara. [18:29] i'd imagine he has an ILEC he could use [18:29] which apparently is not very well serviced for residential users. [18:29] even though it's basically silicon valley. [18:29] Except it was built before SV was SV... [18:29] i think he can use at&t as well. [18:30] true. [18:30] he dropped speeds from 105 megabit to 25 megabit i think. [18:30] it speed tests at 30 megabit, but it seems to struggle really easily. [18:31] my theory was that there's either weird cable congestion in his location or there's just really bad buffering/queuing. [18:31] speedtest servers on the west coast are regularly awfully congested [18:31] yeah but he said that playing a youtube video would screw up voip calls. [18:32] * m0unds shrugs [18:32] sounds like he needs qos or something to prioritize voice maybe [18:32] on download is hard [18:32] i do it despite having 50mbit service here [18:32] on comcast? [18:32] not that hard, just don't permit stuff to use 100% of your pipe [18:32] yep [18:32] yeah i was suggesting he could do that. [18:32] how well does it work when you don't control the other end? [18:32] i clamp at 85% down and 80% up [18:32] it's fine [18:33] cool. [18:33] i use fq_codel myself. [18:33] and i get like 1 msec higher pings when going hard. [18:33] i've done it for years, did it when i could only get 7mbit DSL [18:33] the buffer bloat is real :( [18:33] you want some kind of fair queuing too [18:34] policing sucks too [18:37] i thought he should just get the 150/20 service. [18:37] having high upload speed is nice for remote backups etc too :/ [18:50] funny, facebook is testing pgp support for notification emails [18:52] I anticipate "Ugh what's this funny text/attachment? I must've been haxxed!" [18:53] well, if you have a pubkey and don't know what it is...find something clever to do to yourself [18:53] because you have to submit it to facebook, decrypt the resultant message from them and then approve the whole thing before it will do it [18:54] (i reactivated my acct just to try it) [18:54] pgp signing emails seems like a nice thing to do [18:55] but encrypting with pgp seems silly to me for things like web site notifications. [18:59] https://www.facebook.com/notes/protecting-the-graph/securing-email-communications-from-facebook/1611941762379302 [19:00] the downgrade attacks on smtp need to be fixed. [19:00] there should be able to be something in dns saying always use TLS or such [19:01] facebook is on tor wow [19:04] m0unds: Ahhh so it's encrypted, not just signed, and requires opt-in. [19:04] Interesting. [19:04] yeah [19:05] still hate facebook, but it's neat they decided to roll that out [19:07] yeah in spite of not liking a lot of things about facebook they do seem to have quite a few technical people doing interesting thing. [19:08] they used to post interesting stuff on their engineering blog. dunno if they still do. [19:08] facebook is probably the slowest popular web site around here though [19:08] In other interesting news http://www.thrillist.com/eat/nation/free-donuts-for-national-donut-day [19:09] i miss donuts [19:09] that looks healthy [19:10] If by "healthy" you mean "american" then yes [19:10] heh [19:11] i wonder how far opencomute got [19:11] err opencompute [19:22] Microsoft announced today they will begin contributing to the OpenSSH project, as well as enabling PowerShell to be a native SSH client. [19:22] this sounds like fun [19:22] Micosoft vs Theo DeRaadt [19:25] s/icrosoft/oney/ | s/ T.*/ Open Wallet/ [19:25] Money announced today they will begin contributing to the OpenSSH project, as well as enabling PowerShell to be a native SSH client. [19:25] s/icosoft/oney/ | s/ T.*/ Open Wallet/ [19:25] Money vs Open Wallet [19:25] oh i thought they meant contributing code not money [19:26] hardly anyone funds openssh [19:27] I dunno, it might be both [19:27] yeah i will be keen to see how this goes :) [19:27] But I can't help but feel that Microsoft's best move is to step back, consume, and fund. [19:28] they need to add some stuff to make it work on windows [19:28] i imagine.. [19:29] and openssh on openbsd won't even support aesni because they want better security. [19:29] OpenSSH already compiles/runs on Windows fine (see Cygwin). It's a matter of integrating it into PSH... [19:29] it's not like they're "open minded", it's vey much security/right first. [19:29] ahh ok. [19:29] but i'd think they'd want native rather than cygwin [19:30] It is native (well, mingw IIRC) [19:31] btw, MSFT already flubbed up hilariously https://twitter.com/ANGELCALVOS/status/605880409486848000 [19:31] TWITTER: @canadianbryan @damienmiller we sent mail last week to the openssh-unix-announce@mindrot.org alias ...subject: OpenSSH on Windows (Tue Jun 02 23:35:20 +0000 2015, in reply to @canadianbryan) [19:31] That's a read-only list [19:32] "The Linux/Unix port of OpenSSH has a read-only mailing list" [19:33] (the replied-to tweet https://twitter.com/canadianbryan/status/605871835817766912) [19:33] TWITTER: .@ANGELCALVOS That's great, but according to @damienmiller and other OpenBSD developers, you never even reached out to before going public. (Tue Jun 02 23:01:16 +0000 2015, in reply to @ANGELCALVOS, retweeted 1 times) [19:33] haha [19:33] mindrot [19:33] i mean seriously [19:34] who emails something that says mindrot about something official [19:34] i mean i think mindrot is as good as any other mailing list viewer. [19:34] nevermind that they would have had to read past the blurb about it being a read-only list to get the announce list address [19:34] buut it's obviously something not to be taken too seriously. [19:35] oh this was discussed earlier in devious? [19:36] i missed it because it said twitter and i stopped paying attention. [19:36] Yeah not longer ago [19:36] *long [19:36] wtf is with me... [19:36] i have internal filter :) [19:36] it doesn't help that it says TWITTER and then has a really long line.. [19:36] I swear that between my brain and fingers is speech recognition, and it's not great... [19:37] yeah it's kind of like that for me too [19:37] except it's half-sounded. [19:38] appparently there's like three ways to read, which i suppose is related, fully verbalising, half-verbalising, and something else. [19:39] the something else is what happens when skim reading i think [19:39] and if you switch from half-verbal to full-verbal you can be more precise. [22:45] first time installing arch on bare metal (lenovo laptop) [22:45] all is going well except I cant get into kde [22:46] startx > xf869OpenConsole: Cannot open virtual console 1 (Permission denied) [22:47] am probably missing some little step [23:00] *** Seji has joined #arpnetworks [23:01] using lightdm? [23:02] i don't remember ever hitting that [23:02] oh using startx [23:02] just use lightdm [23:03] it'll run as root and setuid itself to lightdm uusername [23:03] I installed lightdm [23:03] systemctl start lightdm [23:09] http://pastebin.com/djdCnQUg [23:09] https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=192329 [23:10] Basically looks like a permissions issue [23:10] Check that you have group=tty [23:12] running x as root is working [23:12] bad practice [23:14] my user should be in the tty group? [23:19] mnathani_: check that /dev/tty1 is owned by you [23:19] Should be $user:tty [23:20] (I have no idea what's response for creating /dev/tty1 these days, but I'd suspect either you logged in as root and su'd, or systemd got a bit funky) [23:20] *responsible [23:20] su [23:21] logged out [23:21] and logged in as regular user and its working now [23:21] heh [23:21] protip: Don't mess up permissions :p [23:25] sudo pacman -Syu [23:26] there is nothing to do [23:26] all up to date which seems odd [23:26] Why is that odd? [23:26] sudo pacman -S plasma-meta [23:26] Download size 0 [23:37] https://gist.github.com/anonymous/70136dceed92d76534d8 [23:37] Gist: "https://gist.github.com/70136dceed92d76534d8" [23:37] gnome terminal error [23:52] fixed a locale issue