[03:44] *** toeshred_ has joined #arpnetworks [03:45] *** toeshred has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [04:16] i wonder whyh he.net servers are like for performance [04:30] *** LT has joined #arpnetworks [04:37] *** jcv has joined #arpnetworks [04:51] they vary [04:52] they tend to perform better than many of the connections i use he.net tunnels on, so i cant really tell if they are epic or not [04:52] i have no issues, but hear of others suffering weirds [04:54] googles DNS tend to be ok for me, opendns are hit and miss too [04:54] i find google dns is terrible [04:54] there's a reasonably close server, but all of their querioes come from ages away [04:54] my ISP provides pretty good DNS so i just use theirs [04:54] my isp dns is good for popular sites. [04:55] i use undeadly.org to guage what various dns servers are like, as not many people go to it [04:55] and it's far ping from here [04:55] i use a local cacher which also serves a hosts file (so i can run services on public IPs w/o publicly releasing their hostnames) [04:56] aye, pinging to 8.8.8.8 is usually reliable.. i seem to get a response from somewhere close at 9ms [04:56] hmm both opendns and google dns are giving around 470 msec for that, that's not too bad [04:56] isp dns gives 300 msec [04:56] yeah ping to 8.8.8.8 is fine [04:56] but it's about 150 msec further away for the ping of the host that does the lookups here [04:57] if you run your own dns server you can see where it comes from :) [04:57] its the data payload that response sends off to and has to wait for [04:57] it's cache sharing that makes larger dns servers fsater. [04:57] i have noticed some odd lag on google sometimes [04:57] but that only works if stuff you go to is cached [04:57] so something like facebook will be fast [04:57] but some random blog may be slow [04:58] heh yea [04:59] i think low TTL on DNS records don't help too.. my cacher will cache for the period defined by TTL [05:00] yeh [05:00] local dns caches infrequently help ime [05:00] i generally use 1 hour.. since i dont normally make many changes [05:00] assuming you're close to a bigger cache, it's the slow requests that are annoying, not the fast ones. [05:00] making something fast, faster doesn't really help. [05:00] i usually use 5 minutes i think :/ [05:01] i don't make many changes either, i just don't find much benefit from large ttl's [05:01] some domains i work with have really low TTL, but thats because they have DHCP domain mappings updating live to their DNS server [05:01] and it's only once when you want to change something that you wish you had a lower ttl. [05:01] hehe yea [05:01] i suffered that the other day [05:01] the cacher kept the 'stale' record for too long [05:02] like yeah, so my email has 5 minute ttl - but the amount of overhead for dns pales in comparison to the amount of overhead for spam filtering, sending the mail etc. [05:02] using RBL filters in the mta too... i noticed thats the massive overhead on mine [05:02] (i use quite a few) [05:06] yeah it all adds up [05:10] woot think i got quilt figured out [05:10] (patch management thing used by dpkg packages) [05:20] mine lays neatly on the bed :P [05:20] although i did break my multi IP server [09:41] *** LT has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [10:03] *** qbit has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [10:06] *** qbit has joined #arpnetworks [10:07] *** qbit is now known as Guest64076 [10:30] *** Guest64076 is now known as qbit [12:58] *** toddf has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [12:59] brycec: I'm considering XMPP, but I just can't seem to get used to it [12:59] Ok [12:59] I need to read up on it, honestly [13:00] I'm used to status symbols (@,+) and kicking/banning/oper, etc [13:00] You probably do :P No reason it should be hard "to get used to" [13:00] You can do all that still in MUC [13:00] (which is the equivalent of an irc channel) [13:00] interesting [13:00] what about a services equivalent? [13:01] is registration/identification handled by the daemon? [13:01] Yes, by the daemon [13:01] No kidding... [13:01] All connections are authenticated. [13:01] That's actually *very* ideal [13:01] That's what she said!! [13:01] ^ [13:01] (I mean, you can set it up to not require it, or do allow self-registration, etc...) [13:02] (There are many daemons out there, and many ways you can configure them.) [13:02] Are there any daemons/clients you'd recommend? For clients, I'd like to try to keep it CLI [13:02] Profanity is a nice CLI client, looks like IRSSI [13:02] brb [13:02] interesting, thanks [13:04] *** toddf has joined #arpnetworks [13:04] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o toddf [13:04] I don't have experience with multiple servers, but I've been very happy with Prosody [13:05] You got a public server running somewhere I can mess around on? [13:05] In our case, being a company and whatnot, we authenticate to ActiveDirectory (SASL+LDAP), all connections require encryption, rosters are setup to automatically fill. [13:05] I do not, but there are plenty out there. For instance, DDG hosts one [13:06] I love that it has IM rooted in it, so presenece/status is part of it. As in, I can see when someone's client goes idle and I know they're not there [13:07] it also allows direct voice or video calls between users (but not groups... at least not that I've figured out :p) [13:07] (so it sorta replaces Skype in that respect) [13:07] XMPP is exactly X, it's eXtensible [13:08] (And given that Prosody is written in Lua, with mods written in Lua, it's really easy to add/manipulate behaviour as-needed) [13:09] presuming you like Lua. :) [13:10] Lua is a very easy and simple language :p [13:33] Hmm [13:33] I'm on blah.im atm, looks pretty decent [13:35] @tld im [13:35] The top-level domain 'im' is used for: Isle of Man. [13:36] Most IM TLDs I've seen are for instant messaging [13:36] but w/e [13:40] Yeah it's handy for them [13:40] *** jbergstroem has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [13:42] *** jbergstroem has joined #arpnetworks [13:44] I can't seem to get the hang of adding users to my 'roster' [13:44] I've got two account registered with blah.im, and I tried using '/roster add phluxtest@blah.im' but it doesn't show up as online (although it is) [13:48] one of my domains : Expiration Date: 04-apr-2020 [13:48] yet I get a solicitation for domain renewal [13:49] This important expiration notification offer notifies you about the expiration offer notice of your domain registration for Example.com search engine optimization submission. The information in this expiration notification offer may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information from the notification processing department of the Domain SEO Service Registration to purchase our [13:49] search engine traffic generator. We do not register or renew domain names. We are selling traffic generator software tools. This information is intended only for the use of the individual(s) named above. [13:49] If you fail to complete your domain name registration Example.com search engine optimization service by the expiration date, may result in the cancellation of this search engine optimization domain name notification offer notice. [14:14] I miss the speed of the old arpnetworks website [14:14] the new one is fancy and all, but slower [14:18] lol mnathani_ I get those too :) [14:19] phlux: phluxtest@blah.im needs to approve your request (at least, that's the default/norm) [14:19] (I have no idea how to do that in Profanity, sorry) [14:24] irony has it, i try to not make my website search engine friendly and one day im searching for something, and find it... [14:24] mnathani_, the portal is still the same old speedy for me :) [15:01] mnathani_: how slow is it? [15:02] because for me i only find faq/support kind of slow [15:02] but the graphics are kind of heavy [18:00] *** toeshred_ is now known as toeshred [18:03] mercutio: mnathani_ : i got you guys so beat. my icq: 4475847 [18:04] and brycec appears to have been late to the game ;) [18:04] up_the_irons: i've still seen 6 digits :) [18:04] but yeah you bet me to it hah [18:04] i can't actually remember when i got it, i think it was around 98 [18:04] i have no idea [18:04] i know i got nagged to get it. [18:05] how early were you on irc? [18:07] when did IRC start? : [18:07] looks like 88 [18:08] I was on before the EFnet split [18:10] irc was pretty active by the time i made my way there in 96 [18:11] up_the_irons: that ICQ number was from '98 or so. I wouldn't consider that "late to the game" except compared to yours :P [18:11] My first experience with IRC was MS Comic Chat [18:12] brycec: i was mostly kidding ;) [18:13] brycec: oh god :) [18:13] there were yahoo chatrooms back then too. [18:13] i couldn't use any of that stuff from dos. [18:13] it was really hard to use the internet with dos [18:14] when people say two gigabit internet connections, are they meaning gigabit up and gigabit down? [18:14] I remember just poking through the Start menu on my dad's PC and found it there. Had nooooo idea wtf it was or what I was doing. [18:15] (pretty sure that was Win95 at the time) [18:15] windows 95 had inbuilt ppp didn't it? [18:16] Yes [18:17] I remember trying to get the Internet working on OS/2 Warp ;) [18:17] OS/2 - half an operating system! [18:17] up_the_irons: there was this cool dialer for os/2... trying to remember the name of it [18:17] it worked in os/2 2.1 even [18:18] injoy? [18:18] that's from google search, i'm not sure if it was it or not though [18:18] I miss wvdial, sortof. [18:18] not sure [18:18] i used to use os/2 with tshell.. [18:18] so it was text only. [18:19] os/2 had a lot of things going for it, but the workplace shell kind of sucked. [18:20] hah was trying to search for tshell and ppp, and i found a conversation from 20122 in here :) [18:22] for some reason the old logs are stripping usernames. [18:23] oh it's just what google links, you can take some stuff off the end [18:23] hmm, are there irc stats for here? [18:37] *** NiTe has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [18:47] *** NiTe has joined #arpnetworks [19:18] mercutio: I think I was having ISP network issues causing the site to load slow. That and its now 4.5 megs [19:18] yeahit is 4.5 mb, but like 3.6mb of that or something is 6 600k images. [19:18] that roate. [19:18] err that rotate, and don't seem to make the main page loading too bad. [19:19] but yeah isp network issues could be the reason. [19:19] i mostly wonder about people with bad network connections etc that still may want vps, like asia. [19:20] it seems a pity to compress too much though, as it's really cool looking atm. [19:32] just use the pied piper algorithm, repeatedly [19:32] eventually, it's one byte [19:33] and yeah, about 10 years ago, there was a guy claiming lossless 20-30% compression fora ll input data. [19:33] and that you could recurse that. [19:33] he was pretty much batted around. [19:37] oh there's a LOT of room for improvement in compression for general web data. [19:37] i think in some ways things like HTTP2's header compression is the way to go [19:38] basically for web stuff, a lot of it you want to use pre existing dictionaries. [19:39] curiously the main issue with compression ratios with gzip seems to be it's 64k maximum window size though [19:40] which can especially hurt large images. [19:41] but the other huge area is pages changing a little, and the whole new page having to be pulled back [21:56] @google maintenace [21:56] Searching for 'maintenance' instead. [21:56] 84,200,000 total results returned for 'maintenance', here's 3 [21:56] Maintenance Technology - The Source For Reliability Solutions (http://www.maintenancetechnology.com/) Lubrication Technology is the leading source of best practices and products in the selection, deployment and maintenance of industrial lubricants and fluids. [21:56] Computer maintenance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_maintenance) Computer maintenance is the practice of keeping computers in a good state of repair. Contents. [hide]. 1 Computer cleaning. 1.1 Dust. 2 Data. 2.1 Backups; 2.2 ... [21:56] Python.org Maintenance and Administration | Python.org (https://www.python.org/dev/pydotorg/) Python.org Maintenance and Administration. This document is incomplete; we're updating it as questions come up. If you have questions, try the webmaster ... [21:56] I found a typo on the website [21:56] do I get a prize [21:56] ^ up_the_irons [21:57] https://arpnetworks.com/vps Do you have your own ASN and want to announce your IP blocks to our core? No problem! Includes IRR objects, filters, session setup & on-going maintenace. BGP sessions are $10 per month without any bandwidth commitment, or included free of charge with a 5 Mbps or higher commitment. [22:32] o [22:32] i spot it! [22:32] maintenance [22:33] [00:54] @google maintenace [22:33] [00:54] Searching for 'maintenance' instead. [22:33] aw [22:33] i thought it was an exercise for the reader [22:33] :-) [22:36] *** pjs has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [22:37] *** pjs has joined #arpnetworks [22:37] mnathani_: congrats :) [22:37] *** pjs is now known as Guest72403 [22:40] i looked for any major typos/mistakes on the page before and didn't catch that [22:56] *** t7243Gues has joined #arpnetworks [22:59] *** Guest72403 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)