I don't suppose any staff are around at the moment?
if it's a question, ask it.  if it's something that has to change, support@
Well it's a bit of an unusual question. Basically I'm doing a presentation at BSDCan on virtual networking and was trying to get with somebody who might be able to hook me up with a VM or two for a few weeks.
Long shot but worth asking. :)
Also. You Merlyn?
I am
Cool. You likely don't recall but we meet briefly a few years back. Good to say hi again.
cool!
sng: what kind of VM?
sng - digitalocean.com - you can have a BSD VM up in just 55 seconds
That's what she said!!
$5/month... and use the promo code FLOSS and you get $10 credit.
it's not Arp, but Arp isn't really set up for short churn like that.
RandalSchwartz: Yeah. I like ARP but might not be the best option for this.
and yes, I have a freebsd box running there just to do my 9.x and 10.x package builds so I can upgrade my Arp box from 8 to 9 to 10 trivially
pyvpx: A few boxes for demo purposes.
Customer: Telarix	
Customer #: 43799
Equipment Location/POD: MIA
Event Type:  Planned
Risk Level(1-4): 4
Date and Time Requested: MNCC
Scope of Work/Purpose: Add routes at customer request.
Team or Engineer to Perform the work: Netops
Pre-Change Testing Conducted: N/A
Technical Peer Review Performed by: See CR case notes
Maintenance Window Duration:
Customer Impact: none expected
Contact Information for the person requesting the change:
For technical issues regarding this change, contact
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what is all this?
Device name/IP: MIA43799VFW001 -- 10.124.28.28
conf t
route outside 173.252.152.135 255.255.255.255 10.124.28.2 1
route outside 173.252.152.154 255.255.255.255. 10.124.28.2 1
bad paste?
end
wr mem
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CHECKOUT
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sh route outside 173.252.152.135
sh route outside 173.252.152.154
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BACKOUT
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Device name/IP: MIA43799VFW001 -- 10.124.28.28
conf t
no route outside 173.252.152.135 255.255.255.255 10.124.28.2 1
no route outside 173.252.152.154 255.255.255.255. 10.124.28.2 1
end
shir.
shit.
Sorry.
Yeah. Bad paste.
fascinating stuff though :)
Heh.
Not as bad as it could have been.
my irc warns me if i try to pate taht much stuff
As does mine (irssi and weechat both)
And my company XMPP just auto-converts it into a pastebin :D I love that.
oh on jabber i like just pasting large amounts of stuff generally
on skype on the other hand it's never wide enough
and so you can't read things like his no route outside lines.
heh. Lines longer than 750 characters, or messages more than 3 lines long get converted into a pastebin to keep the groupchat from being flooded, but still shows the start of the first line.
it depends how many people you have talking really
paste all the things
We also don't want to needlessly fill the replay buffer
personally I don't like having to load a browser to view something someone pastes, and I will ignore all pastebin's but thats me
i actually dislike it most when there's a paste intermixed with other content
which tends to happen on irc becausue clients send slow to not kick in auto flooding kicks, whereas jabber etc will tend to stick them all in one go.
(And Jabber supports embedded newlines, where IRC does not)
h\ne\nl\nl\no
heh
my only means of comms these days is IRC or Email
which didin;t go to well with the ex as I don't use a cel
so trying to comm with me was a rather pain but bleh
with tech savvy freinds I add an account for them and I chat with them using old school ntalk :P
I have far too many smartphone-based communication methods. Real friends are on IRC, obviously.
I would use pidgeons if I had the time to care for them
cpet: what about phone calls?
Home land only
and that is if choose to answer or not
damn, you seem to be making yourself unavailable.
Are phone calls still relevant? I don't get many, and I do Serious Business.
mike: i make more than i receive.
I just email
but to me, i'm probably split about 50/50 between phone and skype audio calls these days.
sadly I lost a job cause I refused to create a skype account
i prioritise real world over phone over email generally
chances are I will reply to an email quicker than I would take a call
i just feel better with immediate feedback etc.
that sounds annoying cpet :)
you want immediate reply from me good luck with that
takes me 4 days to reply to my moms emails
i sometimes don't notice emails though
:P
unfortunately the people I do business with love phone calls
mostly do the lack of interest of "how are you"
they never seem to say anything useful during them though
mkb: haha
i like having multiple methods of communication really
mkb thats about 75% of humans these days
if everything was phone or email or real world then it'd be more incovenient
I hate when you take a girl out she insists on facebooking while shes talking to you so her attention to you islike 65%
heh
cpet: then abandon her :)
I normally just walk up and leave leaving her with the bill
yeah
once this guy calls me up 30 minutes before the conference call wanting to know what I was going to say in 30 minutes
You're more boring than Facebook?
shes msgs me after "hey where are you"
and I go "home you seem to be more interested in facebook"
mike: well he did say that he doesn't like answering the phone suggesting that he probably likes to be prepared in advance
so impromptu dates may be hard.
That's what she said!!
mike-burns younglings seems to facebook more than eating these days
lol @ BryceBot .
cpet: are you younug?
another thing that pisses me off is when a girl answers her phone and goes outside, like she has something to hide I answer and talk when I had my cel
I completely abandoned facebook a few years ago and haven't looked back
mercutio if you count 31 as young
Wait so, either you're complaining about younglings because you're older, in which case maybe you should date someone your own age, or you're complaining about younglings because you're also young, in which case you are quite the rebel and maybe you'll stop rebelling so much in a decade.
mostly answer and say "busy tlak later" "hang up"
cpet: not particularly, no.  i was just wondering about yong uns and fb
mike-burns youngest ive been with so fare was 21
i'm cuuriosu about this next generation coming up
the one who insisted facebook was more important was 33 I think
so apparently 12 year olds gneerally have cellphones these days
she actually said that or just acted like it?
i didn't have a cellphone until i was 18 or 19
I got my first at 26.
I'm not sure if it's actually important.
mercutio: their attention span is going to be so messed up
but it didn't seem common to hvae cellphones in school when i was at scohol
mkb: my attention is kind of bad :)
I'm sure we had things growing up that our parents didn't, like TV or healthy food or something.
When you leave your cel at the restaurant, roof after working on AC or ex gf's house you tend to wonder "why do I evene have one"
but yeah it's probably going to be worse.
Apparently the current average attention span is 8 seconds.
Goldfish: 9 seconds.
I see my cuz who can't leave her cel for 5 mins
sometimes i wish i could see what i was like as a kid ;)
and I make fun of her and say the bf can't wait 5 mins for a reply
because memories always kind of filter through current notions etc.
I was less of a prick when I was a kid
heh i had a friend who used to always keep forgetting things really quickly
now people talk to me and I have to do some things in my head to see if it's worth talking or not
but it was mostly about what he was doing
I forget things really quick just cause I don't care heh
cpet: i forget things i'm not using,..
russian dewd gave me some money to create a email server took me a week to do something that could of taken hours to do
like if someone tells me that something that i have no use for, i don't recall it
but if i'm doing something and need to know something and ask someone something and they tell me i'll remember it
there's two components to memory... storage and recall..
and shits to give
and a lot of memory problems can just be related to not deciding to store, and psychological.
there's so much information these days it caneasily feel like you're going to overload.
cpet: setting up an email server is kind of complicated these days
if you consider what mrs cookbook says on facebook as "information"
mercutio depends if you want all the addons
cpet: well uusually you do...
on my personal server I login and use mutt
no imap/etc.. or web based email
but thats personal pref
so my email server took an hour to setup
so you need dkim, spf, spam filtering, virus filtering, reverse dns, rbl filtering, imap, webmail, ...
on my personal server i do the same cpet.
but my personal server still needs rbls etc.
spam is filtered using dspam
and it still has spf records etc.
it's all evolved over time though, so i have no idea how long it took to setup
i do the basic and just have the client tell me what else until hes happy and gives me $$
cpet: ick :)
anti virus in email is rather vague since most desktops have a anti virus client that filters out email
yeh
as well as spam
kaspersky does spam filtering
I just create some procmail magic
i use procmail too heh
but just adding in rbl's kill off a lot of it
or just block off china
:P
yeha it does help, but i've been getting russian dating spam recently.
nothing wrong with russian dating spam
enjoy the chicks
then block
cpet: i'm in new zealand, ... some idiots hvae blocked NZ in the past becausue it's in APNIC space...
so sometimes similar to china ip's..
these days you can get better china ip lists.
well
nothign is ever perfect
yeah i don't want false positives.
if you want your inbox clean as a virgin good luck
i hate having to check my spam folder.
i just add in a header +++SPAM++++
and keep in my inbox
I run FreeBSD as a desktop so viruses are no use to me
I used to have zoho getting 50-60 spams a day
ahh ok i go into a diff mailbox.
now I switched over to mail.ru and get 1/2 a week
my email address is on the web etc.
i got this old domain name
and i tried doing a catch all
and there was so much crap that came in :)
err an expired domain
I have scripts that detect a lot of logins from x and sumps it to my pf table
and bye bye spam
most sane email server will hit your server once
most bad guys will rape your server until blood comes out
doing my stas i see mostly from china nigeria and ru but since I have clients from ru I leave those out
most of my spam comes from google etc.
no @gmail can enter my mail
sorry but no
i use mailinator a lot for temp
such as dating sites
let the whole world know my user and pass for anatasiadate.com
heh
haha
some sites block mailinator.
it's pretty cool how they managed to make it efficient etc.
you can add your domain to it
and anything @domain.com will work
the downside to this is email is open so emails about your girlfreind dumping you well gets spread to all
as much as I don't care she did heh
haha
she used to get threats and death threats after freinds found out online
funny shit
what why
people are weird I guess
i get a lot of them as well
i just ignore them
working on a rig you get a lot of scum
such as refusing to give someone a towel renders you a few threats, etc..
but IT doesn't pay well here which is why I have a lot of clients in ru
i keep on breaking freebsd
all my 8.x boxes are fine.. but every box im using 10.x i keep fluffing and i have nfi why
your 8.x boxes might have problems in another two months. :)
mm.. hence why im forcing my hand on 10
haha
it just does a few things differently and im not used to that method
I went only to 9
that currently has the same LT as 10
until they press 10 out further, no gain
unless I am mis-membering
ahhah.. finally my jails are playing ball
must admit, i do set my fbsd up odd
one more reboot to be sure....
.oO(and this is where it all comes apart)
yeah... 9.3 and 10.1 both have the same EOL
what's 9.2's eol?
im actually sorta cheating atm
9.2 not listed
i went and installed pfsense and bodging up some jails inside it
oh freebsd 9.2 is already eol apparently
should upgrade. :)
2.2.2 runs 10.1
yeah
... https://www.freebsd.org/security/security.html#sup
this is silly, why do we have to upgrade all of the time
features!
it's not like you have to pay, or anything
so freebsd 9.2 was released sep 30 2013, and it's already eol.
randal: true
well... you pay in time and risk
it does mean you have to pay attention, but you should pay attention anyway.
i have a bot on an irc channel that pulls rss feeds for security advisories
yeah - I did all of neil's machines 8.4 to 9.3 over the past month
what i find a bit irritating is when there's "security" updates like a local user being able to DOS a server using tcp fast open.
seems to have worked well, so my machine is next.
that and a periodic script regularly emails me pkg audit issues too
pulls or polls?
the only DOS i've ever seen used to fork bombs.
which most servers aren't protected against :/
RandalSchwartz, checks it like once an hour and will post any update.. so pull :P
but an out of control local user that can cause a server to crash is way less of a problem than remote root vulnerability or the like.
s/to/is/
<mercutio> but an out of control local user that can cause a server is crash is way less of a problem than remote root vulnerability or the like.
oh wrong line.
hah
haha
it should be are aynway i think,
i'm drinking my coffee, why won't it work damnit.
ugh, verifying x-plane 10 via steam took like an hour
i really wish i could just use their install utility instead
steam's really slow at verifying normally for some reason.
yeah, and this is 60GB of tiny files
so even slower
hard-disk or ssd?
hard disk, no reason to run it from an ssd
just reduces initial load
did you set hdparm -a
or readahead with /sys/block
ask me if i'm in linux
(hint: no)
oh you're in windows :/
hah
yeh lots of files and windows doesn't really work out that well
linux is ahead of windows in that respect
next you'll say you're using fat :)
what, i shouldn't be?
heh
now to figure out why this wont use virtio.. it;s slow as hell on disk
grody: on a vm?  it might not be enabled..
if it was upgraded from old freebsd.
mercutio, nah fresh pfsense, then upgrade, then set in loader.conf - it detects the balooning, but nothing else
pfsense can run vm's?
not too major, it wont be doing disk stuff when it;s setup and maxing the disk only seems to kill 50% cpu, so it's kind of a nice slow down
lol nah
it's being ran in the vm
technically it //could//
well it still might not be enabled
bhyve
hmm
does bhyve support virtio/
*shrug*
using pfsense on arp
oh, well, yeh, the arp vm might have virtio installed.
err setup
then did some aweful buggery to put jails on it - and after 2 days.. woohoo
it did in 10.1.. it sped things right up
yeah that does sound like buggery.
not sure whats going on with this
got them fully controlled in the firewall now mind, just have to get my services setup
have to dismantle my network @home, which means killing off my personal mta and rigging this back up to do that is being fun.. should only take a few hours to turn freebsd into a bloody mail server
this channel is offtopic more than it's on topic :)
heh heh
i've beem delaying moving my mail server for ages.
well, if people were to only chat when they needed help or support, nobody would ever chat :P
it seems like a pita :)
last time i temp moved my mta to arp, i left it there for gone 18 months
mine's on a vm in nz
mines currently sat on an kirkwood arm effort in my cupboard
yeah i need lots of ram for mutt
that was only temp too.. i normally have it sat on a vm in london
yeh i ssh to mine, so i need low latency :)
i retired my self-hosted mail server back in Dec '14
https://asininetech.com/2014/12/20/adios-self-hosted-mail-server/
i don't require the maintenance too bad
meh, the kirkwood handles
only a 1.2GHz w/ 512MB RAM.. but i only use it to drone stuff onto.. think it runs nginx, postfix and my irc bot
not looking forward to rebuilding the network
i have nfi how i ended up with such stupor
http://imgur.com/9fzmpzl
4GB Monster VPS on sale. Now how does Google know to show me that Advert
yeah, I keep getting things of sites I visited
even if I'm already a great customer
what scares me i use someone elses computer, dont even log on, run a few searches and the ads i see appear
i keep seeing ads for arp
we had an #offtopic channel at $work, and people would occasionally ask work questions there.  So I'd utter "off-off-topic alert!"
rofl
i think sometimes being offtopic allows people to be on topic better
That's what she said!!
at IBM we used to use sametime chat, and it sucked
less prethinking and trying to be right and so on, and more just out with it
you needed an invite to get in on a group chat
rather than have a dedicated channel
that sounds annoying
i don't get any ads myself :/
I normally dont get ads either
but needed to open a third gmail account so used IE
chrome and incognito were already in use
i stopped running my own mail servers in 2009 or 2010
fastmail m0unds ?
or Google Apps
personal stuff is on google, work stuff is on office365
mnathani_: google picks it up from AdRoll i think, a re-marketing network
yeah
I could turn it off, but I find it amusing
we've used AdRoll for years
well - today might have been the last floss weekly ever that had a live chatroom
and went out live during the taping
twit.tv as of now will be going to a non-live-stream model
is there a pingable IPv6 like there is an IPv4 on ARP?
ping6 arpnetworks.com ?
Yeah - arpnetworks.com is on ipv6
i want to use it for latency monitoring.. rather not ping the primary all the time
http://support.arpnetworks.com/kb/main/ip-address-for-ping-tests
like a ping is bad? :)
1 a second 24/7 can be annoying for some
ahh, understandable
i got an IP blocked from google DNS for using their IPs
although it would be way below the "background radiation" of the internet as Steve Gibson puts it
I like that term
you open a machine to the net, you get a certain amount of inbound automatically
yea the scatter is always fun
a firewall i've been running at home has dropped over 400MB of packets from 2.51TB it's downloaded
over 7 months though
most of that 400 is just probes
s/is/are
<grody> most of that 400 are just probes
i like that term too
occasionally steve gibson is useful
he grates me sometimes... because he can be close, but wrong.
That's what she said!!
i think it's interesting how the background radiation varies so much by ip address.
as far as ping goes, it's really hard to know what to ping
like how is one supposed to know that 4.2.2.1 is good to ping but 4.2.2.2 isn't
and pinging web sites isn't generally good as they can be shifted onto cdn's frequently
and otherwise be different from the network you're pinging
I think the real question is, what do you hope to know by pinging?
that you're there, i can reach you
but it's like someone poking you on the shoulder, you may respond every time, or you may decide to stop responding if they endlessly do it
ping 127.0.0.1 :)
ping 224.0.0.5
no puede
ideally a host within the network that is always on, it's more for monitoring connectivit.. pretty graphs and all that (and so i can smug it in peoples faces how my choice of services rock)
my vDSL @home over the last year has an average ping time of 13ms and not a great deal of loss
i graph my vdsl at home too
fq_codel really helps for ping.
has nobody been brave enough to install arch on an ARP VPS before? I noticed the ISO is not avaiable for loading
people still use linux? :)
I prefer real unix.
mnathani_: it should be, hmm..
it's in iso_library on mirrors
i think up_the_irons has to run something to pull it in
oh hangon i think it's my fault :/
so it should get pulled whenever things get pulled now.
bird> show memory
BIRD memory usage
Routing tables:     71 MB
Route attributes:   30 MB
ROA tables:        192  B
Protocols:         155 kB
static: bird is nice and light :)
Total:             101 MB
not bad for a full v4 table
yeah
Routing tables:     73 MB
hey you're below me
actually your protocols is above me
it's not too bad with openbgpd too
RIB using 174M of memory
hmm i suppose a bit higher
a full v6 table is quite smaller
yeh
i do find bird still uses a little cpu with route updates,..