[01:18] *** Seji has joined #arpnetworks [02:32] *** grody has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [02:32] *** grody has joined #arpnetworks [04:33] *** acf___ has joined #arpnetworks [04:38] *** acf__ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [07:13] *** jpalmer has joined #arpnetworks [07:34] *** sng has joined #arpnetworks [07:44] I don't suppose any staff are around at the moment? [07:46] if it's a question, ask it. if it's something that has to change, support@ [07:49] Well it's a bit of an unusual question. Basically I'm doing a presentation at BSDCan on virtual networking and was trying to get with somebody who might be able to hook me up with a VM or two for a few weeks. [07:49] Long shot but worth asking. :) [07:49] Also. You Merlyn? [07:53] I am [07:54] Cool. You likely don't recall but we meet briefly a few years back. Good to say hi again. [07:55] cool! [08:03] sng: what kind of VM? [08:03] sng - digitalocean.com - you can have a BSD VM up in just 55 seconds [08:03] That's what she said!! [08:04] $5/month... and use the promo code FLOSS and you get $10 credit. [08:04] it's not Arp, but Arp isn't really set up for short churn like that. [08:04] RandalSchwartz: Yeah. I like ARP but might not be the best option for this. [08:06] and yes, I have a freebsd box running there just to do my 9.x and 10.x package builds so I can upgrade my Arp box from 8 to 9 to 10 trivially [08:06] pyvpx: A few boxes for demo purposes. [08:06] Customer: Telarix [08:06] Customer #: 43799 [08:06] Equipment Location/POD: MIA [08:06] Event Type: Planned [08:06] Risk Level(1-4): 4 [08:06] Date and Time Requested: MNCC [08:06] Scope of Work/Purpose: Add routes at customer request. [08:06] Team or Engineer to Perform the work: Netops [08:06] Pre-Change Testing Conducted: N/A [08:06] Technical Peer Review Performed by: See CR case notes [08:06] Maintenance Window Duration: [08:06] Customer Impact: none expected [08:07] Contact Information for the person requesting the change: [08:07] For technical issues regarding this change, contact [08:07] ================================================ [08:07] CHANGE [08:07] ================================================ [08:07] what is all this? [08:07] Device name/IP: MIA43799VFW001 -- 10.124.28.28 [08:07] conf t [08:07] route outside 173.252.152.135 255.255.255.255 10.124.28.2 1 [08:07] route outside 173.252.152.154 255.255.255.255. 10.124.28.2 1 [08:07] bad paste? [08:07] end [08:07] wr mem [08:07] ================================================ [08:07] CHECKOUT [08:07] ================================================ [08:07] sh route outside 173.252.152.135 [08:07] sh route outside 173.252.152.154 [08:07] ================================================ [08:07] BACKOUT [08:07] ================================================ [08:07] Device name/IP: MIA43799VFW001 -- 10.124.28.28 [08:07] conf t [08:07] no route outside 173.252.152.135 255.255.255.255 10.124.28.2 1 [08:07] no route outside 173.252.152.154 255.255.255.255. 10.124.28.2 1 [08:07] end [08:08] shir. [08:08] shit. [08:08] Sorry. [08:08] Yeah. Bad paste. [08:08] fascinating stuff though :) [08:10] Heh. [08:11] Not as bad as it could have been. [08:32] *** thestereobus has joined #arpnetworks [08:36] *** thestereobus_ has joined #arpnetworks [08:36] *** thestereobus has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [08:36] *** thestereobus_ is now known as thestereobus [08:55] *** thestereobus has quit IRC (Quit: thestereobus) [12:01] *** cpet has joined #arpnetworks [12:19] my irc warns me if i try to pate taht much stuff [12:19] As does mine (irssi and weechat both) [12:19] And my company XMPP just auto-converts it into a pastebin :D I love that. [12:20] oh on jabber i like just pasting large amounts of stuff generally [12:20] on skype on the other hand it's never wide enough [12:20] and so you can't read things like his no route outside lines. [12:21] heh. Lines longer than 750 characters, or messages more than 3 lines long get converted into a pastebin to keep the groupchat from being flooded, but still shows the start of the first line. [12:22] it depends how many people you have talking really [12:22] paste all the things [12:22] We also don't want to needlessly fill the replay buffer [12:24] personally I don't like having to load a browser to view something someone pastes, and I will ignore all pastebin's but thats me [12:25] i actually dislike it most when there's a paste intermixed with other content [12:26] which tends to happen on irc becausue clients send slow to not kick in auto flooding kicks, whereas jabber etc will tend to stick them all in one go. [12:26] (And Jabber supports embedded newlines, where IRC does not) [12:27] h\ne\nl\nl\no [12:27] heh [12:29] my only means of comms these days is IRC or Email [12:29] which didin;t go to well with the ex as I don't use a cel [12:29] so trying to comm with me was a rather pain but bleh [12:31] with tech savvy freinds I add an account for them and I chat with them using old school ntalk :P [12:34] I have far too many smartphone-based communication methods. Real friends are on IRC, obviously. [12:34] I would use pidgeons if I had the time to care for them [12:34] cpet: what about phone calls? [12:35] Home land only [12:35] and that is if choose to answer or not [12:35] damn, you seem to be making yourself unavailable. [12:35] Are phone calls still relevant? I don't get many, and I do Serious Business. [12:36] mike: i make more than i receive. [12:36] I just email [12:36] but to me, i'm probably split about 50/50 between phone and skype audio calls these days. [12:36] sadly I lost a job cause I refused to create a skype account [12:37] i prioritise real world over phone over email generally [12:38] chances are I will reply to an email quicker than I would take a call [12:38] i just feel better with immediate feedback etc. [12:38] that sounds annoying cpet :) [12:39] you want immediate reply from me good luck with that [12:39] takes me 4 days to reply to my moms emails [12:39] i sometimes don't notice emails though [12:39] :P [12:39] unfortunately the people I do business with love phone calls [12:39] mostly do the lack of interest of "how are you" [12:39] they never seem to say anything useful during them though [12:39] mkb: haha [12:39] i like having multiple methods of communication really [12:40] mkb thats about 75% of humans these days [12:40] if everything was phone or email or real world then it'd be more incovenient [12:40] I hate when you take a girl out she insists on facebooking while shes talking to you so her attention to you islike 65% [12:40] heh [12:40] cpet: then abandon her :) [12:40] I normally just walk up and leave leaving her with the bill [12:40] yeah [12:41] once this guy calls me up 30 minutes before the conference call wanting to know what I was going to say in 30 minutes [12:41] You're more boring than Facebook? [12:41] shes msgs me after "hey where are you" [12:41] and I go "home you seem to be more interested in facebook" [12:41] mike: well he did say that he doesn't like answering the phone suggesting that he probably likes to be prepared in advance [12:42] so impromptu dates may be hard. [12:42] That's what she said!! [12:42] mike-burns younglings seems to facebook more than eating these days [12:42] lol @ BryceBot . [12:43] cpet: are you younug? [12:43] another thing that pisses me off is when a girl answers her phone and goes outside, like she has something to hide I answer and talk when I had my cel [12:43] I completely abandoned facebook a few years ago and haven't looked back [12:43] mercutio if you count 31 as young [12:44] Wait so, either you're complaining about younglings because you're older, in which case maybe you should date someone your own age, or you're complaining about younglings because you're also young, in which case you are quite the rebel and maybe you'll stop rebelling so much in a decade. [12:44] mostly answer and say "busy tlak later" "hang up" [12:44] cpet: not particularly, no. i was just wondering about yong uns and fb [12:45] mike-burns youngest ive been with so fare was 21 [12:45] i'm cuuriosu about this next generation coming up [12:45] the one who insisted facebook was more important was 33 I think [12:46] so apparently 12 year olds gneerally have cellphones these days [12:46] she actually said that or just acted like it? [12:46] i didn't have a cellphone until i was 18 or 19 [12:46] I got my first at 26. [12:46] I'm not sure if it's actually important. [12:46] mercutio: their attention span is going to be so messed up [12:46] but it didn't seem common to hvae cellphones in school when i was at scohol [12:46] mkb: my attention is kind of bad :) [12:46] I'm sure we had things growing up that our parents didn't, like TV or healthy food or something. [12:46] When you leave your cel at the restaurant, roof after working on AC or ex gf's house you tend to wonder "why do I evene have one" [12:47] but yeah it's probably going to be worse. [12:47] Apparently the current average attention span is 8 seconds. [12:47] Goldfish: 9 seconds. [12:47] I see my cuz who can't leave her cel for 5 mins [12:47] sometimes i wish i could see what i was like as a kid ;) [12:48] and I make fun of her and say the bf can't wait 5 mins for a reply [12:48] because memories always kind of filter through current notions etc. [12:48] I was less of a prick when I was a kid [12:48] heh i had a friend who used to always keep forgetting things really quickly [12:48] now people talk to me and I have to do some things in my head to see if it's worth talking or not [12:48] but it was mostly about what he was doing [12:49] I forget things really quick just cause I don't care heh [12:49] cpet: i forget things i'm not using,.. [12:49] russian dewd gave me some money to create a email server took me a week to do something that could of taken hours to do [12:50] like if someone tells me that something that i have no use for, i don't recall it [12:50] but if i'm doing something and need to know something and ask someone something and they tell me i'll remember it [12:50] there's two components to memory... storage and recall.. [12:50] and shits to give [12:50] and a lot of memory problems can just be related to not deciding to store, and psychological. [12:50] there's so much information these days it caneasily feel like you're going to overload. [12:51] cpet: setting up an email server is kind of complicated these days [12:51] if you consider what mrs cookbook says on facebook as "information" [12:52] mercutio depends if you want all the addons [12:52] cpet: well uusually you do... [12:52] on my personal server I login and use mutt [12:52] no imap/etc.. or web based email [12:52] but thats personal pref [12:52] so my email server took an hour to setup [12:52] so you need dkim, spf, spam filtering, virus filtering, reverse dns, rbl filtering, imap, webmail, ... [12:53] on my personal server i do the same cpet. [12:53] but my personal server still needs rbls etc. [12:53] spam is filtered using dspam [12:53] and it still has spf records etc. [12:53] it's all evolved over time though, so i have no idea how long it took to setup [12:54] i do the basic and just have the client tell me what else until hes happy and gives me $$ [12:54] cpet: ick :) [12:54] anti virus in email is rather vague since most desktops have a anti virus client that filters out email [12:54] yeh [12:54] as well as spam [12:54] kaspersky does spam filtering [12:55] I just create some procmail magic [12:55] i use procmail too heh [12:55] but just adding in rbl's kill off a lot of it [12:55] or just block off china [12:55] :P [12:55] yeha it does help, but i've been getting russian dating spam recently. [12:55] nothing wrong with russian dating spam [12:55] enjoy the chicks [12:56] then block [12:56] cpet: i'm in new zealand, ... some idiots hvae blocked NZ in the past becausue it's in APNIC space... [12:56] so sometimes similar to china ip's.. [12:56] these days you can get better china ip lists. [12:56] well [12:56] nothign is ever perfect [12:56] yeah i don't want false positives. [12:56] if you want your inbox clean as a virgin good luck [12:57] i hate having to check my spam folder. [12:57] i just add in a header +++SPAM++++ [12:57] and keep in my inbox [12:57] I run FreeBSD as a desktop so viruses are no use to me [12:58] I used to have zoho getting 50-60 spams a day [12:58] ahh ok i go into a diff mailbox. [12:58] now I switched over to mail.ru and get 1/2 a week [12:58] my email address is on the web etc. [12:59] i got this old domain name [12:59] and i tried doing a catch all [12:59] and there was so much crap that came in :) [12:59] err an expired domain [12:59] I have scripts that detect a lot of logins from x and sumps it to my pf table [12:59] and bye bye spam [13:00] most sane email server will hit your server once [13:00] most bad guys will rape your server until blood comes out [13:01] doing my stas i see mostly from china nigeria and ru but since I have clients from ru I leave those out [13:03] most of my spam comes from google etc. [13:03] no @gmail can enter my mail [13:03] sorry but no [13:05] i use mailinator a lot for temp [13:05] such as dating sites [13:05] let the whole world know my user and pass for anatasiadate.com [13:05] heh [13:05] haha [13:06] some sites block mailinator. [13:06] it's pretty cool how they managed to make it efficient etc. [13:06] you can add your domain to it [13:06] and anything @domain.com will work [13:07] the downside to this is email is open so emails about your girlfreind dumping you well gets spread to all [13:07] as much as I don't care she did heh [13:08] haha [13:08] she used to get threats and death threats after freinds found out online [13:08] funny shit [13:08] what why [13:09] people are weird I guess [13:09] i get a lot of them as well [13:09] i just ignore them [13:10] working on a rig you get a lot of scum [13:10] such as refusing to give someone a towel renders you a few threats, etc.. [13:11] but IT doesn't pay well here which is why I have a lot of clients in ru [17:59] i keep on breaking freebsd [18:00] all my 8.x boxes are fine.. but every box im using 10.x i keep fluffing and i have nfi why [18:00] your 8.x boxes might have problems in another two months. :) [18:01] mm.. hence why im forcing my hand on 10 [18:01] haha [18:01] it just does a few things differently and im not used to that method [18:01] I went only to 9 [18:01] that currently has the same LT as 10 [18:01] until they press 10 out further, no gain [18:01] unless I am mis-membering [18:02] ahhah.. finally my jails are playing ball [18:02] must admit, i do set my fbsd up odd [18:02] one more reboot to be sure.... [18:03] .oO(and this is where it all comes apart) [18:03] yeah... 9.3 and 10.1 both have the same EOL [18:03] what's 9.2's eol? [18:03] im actually sorta cheating atm [18:04] 9.2 not listed [18:04] i went and installed pfsense and bodging up some jails inside it [18:04] oh freebsd 9.2 is already eol apparently [18:04] should upgrade. :) [18:04] 2.2.2 runs 10.1 [18:04] yeah [18:04] ... https://www.freebsd.org/security/security.html#sup [18:04] this is silly, why do we have to upgrade all of the time [18:04] features! [18:04] it's not like you have to pay, or anything [18:05] so freebsd 9.2 was released sep 30 2013, and it's already eol. [18:05] randal: true [18:05] well... you pay in time and risk [18:05] it does mean you have to pay attention, but you should pay attention anyway. [18:06] i have a bot on an irc channel that pulls rss feeds for security advisories [18:06] yeah - I did all of neil's machines 8.4 to 9.3 over the past month [18:06] what i find a bit irritating is when there's "security" updates like a local user being able to DOS a server using tcp fast open. [18:06] seems to have worked well, so my machine is next. [18:06] that and a periodic script regularly emails me pkg audit issues too [18:06] pulls or polls? [18:07] the only DOS i've ever seen used to fork bombs. [18:07] which most servers aren't protected against :/ [18:07] RandalSchwartz, checks it like once an hour and will post any update.. so pull :P [18:07] but an out of control local user that can cause a server to crash is way less of a problem than remote root vulnerability or the like. [18:08] s/to/is/ [18:08] but an out of control local user that can cause a server is crash is way less of a problem than remote root vulnerability or the like. [18:08] oh wrong line. [18:08] hah [18:08] haha [18:08] it should be are aynway i think, [18:09] i'm drinking my coffee, why won't it work damnit. [18:09] ugh, verifying x-plane 10 via steam took like an hour [18:09] i really wish i could just use their install utility instead [18:09] steam's really slow at verifying normally for some reason. [18:10] yeah, and this is 60GB of tiny files [18:10] so even slower [18:10] hard-disk or ssd? [18:10] hard disk, no reason to run it from an ssd [18:10] just reduces initial load [18:10] did you set hdparm -a [18:10] or readahead with /sys/block [18:10] ask me if i'm in linux [18:11] (hint: no) [18:11] oh you're in windows :/ [18:11] hah [18:11] yeh lots of files and windows doesn't really work out that well [18:11] linux is ahead of windows in that respect [18:12] next you'll say you're using fat :) [18:12] what, i shouldn't be? [18:12] heh [18:14] * grody does a silly dance [18:14] now to figure out why this wont use virtio.. it;s slow as hell on disk [18:14] grody: on a vm? it might not be enabled.. [18:15] if it was upgraded from old freebsd. [18:15] mercutio, nah fresh pfsense, then upgrade, then set in loader.conf - it detects the balooning, but nothing else [18:16] pfsense can run vm's? [18:16] not too major, it wont be doing disk stuff when it;s setup and maxing the disk only seems to kill 50% cpu, so it's kind of a nice slow down [18:16] lol nah [18:16] it's being ran in the vm [18:16] technically it //could// [18:17] well it still might not be enabled [18:17] bhyve [18:17] hmm [18:17] does bhyve support virtio/ [18:17] *shrug* [18:17] using pfsense on arp [18:17] oh, well, yeh, the arp vm might have virtio installed. [18:17] err setup [18:17] then did some aweful buggery to put jails on it - and after 2 days.. woohoo [18:18] it did in 10.1.. it sped things right up [18:18] yeah that does sound like buggery. [18:18] not sure whats going on with this [18:18] got them fully controlled in the firewall now mind, just have to get my services setup [18:20] have to dismantle my network @home, which means killing off my personal mta and rigging this back up to do that is being fun.. should only take a few hours to turn freebsd into a bloody mail server [18:20] this channel is offtopic more than it's on topic :) [18:20] heh heh [18:21] i've beem delaying moving my mail server for ages. [18:21] well, if people were to only chat when they needed help or support, nobody would ever chat :P [18:21] it seems like a pita :) [18:22] last time i temp moved my mta to arp, i left it there for gone 18 months [18:22] mine's on a vm in nz [18:23] mines currently sat on an kirkwood arm effort in my cupboard [18:23] yeah i need lots of ram for mutt [18:23] that was only temp too.. i normally have it sat on a vm in london [18:23] yeh i ssh to mine, so i need low latency :) [18:23] i retired my self-hosted mail server back in Dec '14 [18:24] https://asininetech.com/2014/12/20/adios-self-hosted-mail-server/ [18:24] i don't require the maintenance too bad [18:24] meh, the kirkwood handles [18:25] only a 1.2GHz w/ 512MB RAM.. but i only use it to drone stuff onto.. think it runs nginx, postfix and my irc bot [18:26] not looking forward to rebuilding the network [18:26] i have nfi how i ended up with such stupor [18:29] http://imgur.com/9fzmpzl [18:29] 4GB Monster VPS on sale. Now how does Google know to show me that Advert [18:30] yeah, I keep getting things of sites I visited [18:31] even if I'm already a great customer [18:31] what scares me i use someone elses computer, dont even log on, run a few searches and the ads i see appear [18:31] i keep seeing ads for arp [18:32] we had an #offtopic channel at $work, and people would occasionally ask work questions there. So I'd utter "off-off-topic alert!" [18:32] rofl [18:32] i think sometimes being offtopic allows people to be on topic better [18:32] That's what she said!! [18:32] at IBM we used to use sametime chat, and it sucked [18:32] less prethinking and trying to be right and so on, and more just out with it [18:32] you needed an invite to get in on a group chat [18:33] rather than have a dedicated channel [18:33] that sounds annoying [18:34] i don't get any ads myself :/ [18:43] I normally dont get ads either [18:43] but needed to open a third gmail account so used IE [18:43] chrome and incognito were already in use [18:45] i stopped running my own mail servers in 2009 or 2010 [18:49] fastmail m0unds ? [18:49] or Google Apps [18:50] personal stuff is on google, work stuff is on office365 [18:52] *** Hien has joined #arpnetworks [18:58] mnathani_: google picks it up from AdRoll i think, a re-marketing network [18:58] yeah [18:58] I could turn it off, but I find it amusing [18:58] we've used AdRoll for years [19:00] well - today might have been the last floss weekly ever that had a live chatroom [19:00] and went out live during the taping [19:00] twit.tv as of now will be going to a non-live-stream model [19:00] is there a pingable IPv6 like there is an IPv4 on ARP? [19:00] ping6 arpnetworks.com ? [19:01] Yeah - arpnetworks.com is on ipv6 [19:01] i want to use it for latency monitoring.. rather not ping the primary all the time [19:01] http://support.arpnetworks.com/kb/main/ip-address-for-ping-tests [19:02] like a ping is bad? :) [19:02] 1 a second 24/7 can be annoying for some [19:03] ahh, understandable [19:03] i got an IP blocked from google DNS for using their IPs [19:03] although it would be way below the "background radiation" of the internet as Steve Gibson puts it [19:03] I like that term [19:03] you open a machine to the net, you get a certain amount of inbound automatically [19:04] yea the scatter is always fun [19:04] a firewall i've been running at home has dropped over 400MB of packets from 2.51TB it's downloaded [19:04] over 7 months though [19:04] most of that 400 is just probes [19:05] s/is/are [19:05] most of that 400 are just probes [19:20] i like that term too [19:22] occasionally steve gibson is useful [19:23] he grates me sometimes... because he can be close, but wrong. [19:23] That's what she said!! [19:23]