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| mercutio | ubunutu is making a hypervisor
i don't know why they try and do everything | [00:47] |
| mike-burns | Well they hired all those people. | [00:49] |
| mercutio | can't they just make kvm better
kvm still seems to have some ssd-backed storage performance deficincies. deficiencies is that right? god that word's hard to spell. | [00:49] |
| mike-burns | Yes but if they re-write it from scratch instead of helping an existing project, then they get to talk about how much better they are than the existing project. | [00:50] |
| mercutio | linux 4.1 should be improving cpu performance of kvm slightly, not that it's bad atm.
but yeah you're going to be quite below speed if using a pci-e nvme ssd for instance. what's really needed is for smart controllers, where you caen have queues per vm that go direct to storage and a segment of that storage i suppose mercutio checks what lxd actually does better oh it's trying to be lighter.' hmm, it seems it's easier just to use: https://lwn.net/Articles/645455/ | [00:51] |
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| grody | mnathani_, i quite like feedly | [12:28] |
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| cpet | Hi, COuld one of the ops tell me if you received an order for a VPS? | [14:42] |
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| grody | cpet, i'm not an op - but you should have gotten an email to log in to a control panel, which should have status of/if any VPS | [15:56] |
| cpet | grody all I got was a message saying my service will me process asap | [15:57] |
| grody | any information to login to the portal?
up_the_irons, mike-burns .^. not sure who else there is | [15:57] |
| acf__ | today is a holiday here, so you might have to wait for Tuesday for your VPS to be provisionsed | [16:01] |
| cpet | Memorial Day? | [16:05] |
| brycec | Today is Memorial Day in the US, yes. | [16:17] |
| grody: Is that something recent? When I first became a customer (nearly 3 years ago), I got an order confirmation "ARP Networks Order Received" but didn't have portal login details until the order had been processed. | [16:22] | |
| grody | ahh, holiday | [16:24] |
| m0unds | yeah, that's the case w/my most recent order
didn't get additional stuff beyond the initial order email til after it was set up | [16:24] |
| cpet | Well I got nada so hence why I was asking | [16:24] |
| grody | brycec, good question actually.. i ordered mine about 2 years ago.. i just remember one of my first emails from arp being portal login details | [16:25] |
| brycec | (I dug up my old emails ;) ) | [16:25] |
| cpet | I don't keep old emails | [16:25] |
| grody | i tend to keep 5 years worth | [16:25] |
| cpet | I read, I reply I delete
and loop until .... | [16:26] |
| m0unds | i read, reply, archive if important
if not, delete | [16:26] |
| grody | i keep everything, spam and all.. that way i can create better spam rules
dont actually get much spam any more :) | [16:27] |
| cpet | I switched over to a russian email hosting provider
which has made my spams from 45-60/day to 0 mostly due to zoho only allowing 5 boxes and mail.ru 5000 | [16:27] |
| m0unds | ah | [16:28] |
| grody | i run my own little postfix where i do my magic, then forward it onto different email boxes | [16:28] |
| cpet | locally I have a email server setup
but I am waiting for it to be the way I want before I switch over which is taking a while as all howtos are based on a sql setup which I don't like | [16:28] |
| brycec | I prefer reading the documentation and understanding it all to simply following howtos. | [16:30] |
| grody | you just reminded me actually.. i need to remake my ARP my secondary.. have to move my primary soon | [16:30] |
| cpet | whats the name of the mouse daemon in Linux ? | [16:30] |
| m0unds | mickeyd | [16:30] |
| brycec | Are you thinking of gpmd? | [16:30] |
| grody | lol | [16:31] |
| cpet | on BSD it's moused on Linux is something else
yeap thanks | [16:31] |
| brycec | "man: No entry for moused in the manual." | [16:32] |
| grody | odd as hell | [16:32] |
| brycec | my BSD has no moused. | [16:32] |
| cpet | brycec no /usr/sbin/moused? | [16:32] |
| grody | why does linux (android too), freebsd, smart tv's, even the ps3 will all see my DLNA server on a different network behind an IGMP proxy...
however, not a single microsoft product will see it | [16:32] |
| brycec | ls: /usr/sbin/moused: No such file or directory | [16:33] |
| cpet | grody a reason to stop using ms products ? | [16:33] |
| grody | brycec, not sure what open/net uses, but free uses moused | [16:33] |
| m0unds | haha, i've had plenty of issues with everything but windows seeing my dlna server | [16:33] |
| grody | cpet, sadly i need to use it in a couple of places (desktops) | [16:33] |
| brycec | (My point is that "BSD" is "BSD", it's not OpenBSD, FreeBSD, NetBSD, etc) | [16:33] |
| cpet | I was running FreeBSd as my desktop for years | [16:33] |
| grody | brave | [16:34] |
| m0unds | i just gave up running dlna locally because it was a headache getting transcoding to play nice with everything, etc | [16:34] |
| grody | i can't get on with it as a desktop, server or network node only | [16:34] |
| cpet | until I wanted to burn a cd and had to do all this "crap" to get it to work
so I said funk it and went with Debian and brasero just worked | [16:34] |
| grody | reverse with linux, hate it for servers/nodes, but ♥ it for desktops | [16:34] |
| cpet | heh | [16:34] |
| grody | they smudged cdburn?
as well.. sod the gui crap.. cdburn was way ahead of cdrecord (now wodim) burncd too | [16:34] |
| cpet | cd burning in cli? | [16:36] |
| grody | yea | [16:36] |
| cpet | I kinda like to sexy gui
wonder if my CC will work tomarrow heh | [16:36] |
| grody | hah no it's cdrecord now | [16:37] |
| cpet | if it doesn't I will just create a openbsd image using bhyve | [16:37] |
| grody | nope, burncd still heh wow | [16:38] |
| staticsafe | haven't burnt a CD in years now
my desktop doesn't even have an optical drive | [16:38] |
| grody | i had to to get android x86 on my old shuttle pc | [16:38] |
| cpet | i burnt gparted iso | [16:38] |
| m0unds | i finally removed my optical drive last week | [16:39] |
| cpet | as I was too lazy to dd it to a usb thumb drive and having to do it again for debian | [16:39] |
| m0unds | well, last week as in saturday, i guess | [16:39] |
| grody | have one laptop and the shuttle with dvd burners | [16:39] |
| m0unds | haha | [16:39] |
| cpet | as after I installed fedora it was complaing about lvm stuff | [16:39] |
| grody | still dont have a blueray one | [16:39] |
| m0unds | new gpu, blew everything out, pulled the optical drive | [16:39] |
| grody | hehe
oh my tower has a dvd burner too, shit me | [16:39] |
| cpet | i only have a cd burner to cover up the hole
as if I take it out I have no blackplane to make it look perdy :P | [16:41] |
| staticsafe | heh | [16:41] |
| grody | im still quite archaic.. i only upgrade when pretty much forced | [16:41] |
| m0unds | i taped my blank front plate to the case door when i installed everything in it :) | [16:41] |
| cpet | grody once upon a time I was anal on updating keeping my shit updated now it's updates fuck em | [16:41] |
| m0unds | so i just removed it from the door and put it where the drive was | [16:41] |
| cpet | grody most of the windows things will work fine in wine I got my mtohers smartdraw working in wine | [16:43] |
| grody | i had IE7 working in wine | [16:43] |
| cpet | grody with a sexy icon that says "Open the monster that is windows" | [16:43] |
| grody | im actually liking windows 10 (TP)
my laptop boots up in like 21 seconds.. and it's old | [16:43] |
| cpet | I gave my mom a PC that cant run windows 7 so i instaled opensuse | [16:44] |
| grody | mint takes about 1 minute | [16:44] |
| cpet | she cant tel the diff
she uses firefox thunderbird all available in opensuse | [16:44] |
| grody | never been a fan of RPM systems | [16:45] |
| cpet | grody I never reboot even if it says to reboot so updated and boot times are like watching my dog looping her need to keep her private parts clean
heh when I read some of the changes to windows 8 it make me laugh | [16:45] |
| grody | 8.x sucks | [16:46] |
| cpet | "a new version of taskmgr and a new calculator" | [16:46] |
| grody | it made me cry many times | [16:46] |
| cpet | and I sielently said she fucks should be ashamed to even mention that | [16:46] |
| m0unds | hasn't bothered me really
but then again, my workflow never depended on a start menu or anything | [16:46] |
| cpet | well wine does most of the small aspects I need | [16:47] |
| m0unds | still work from a desktop with some icons on it, and with some icons pinned to the taskbar | [16:47] |
| cpet | i dont game even though wine does run starcraft2 | [16:47] |
| grody | my linux is mostly terminals, web browser and maybe a util or two for spying on my servers | [16:48] |
| cpet | BSD is nice for a server but will never excel as a desktop
having too spend a few hours setting up devfs.conf will blow off most newbs | [16:48] |
| m0unds | pcbsd is pretty painless to configure/use | [16:49] |
| cpet | and I am 31 years old I basically want shit to "work" | [16:49] |
| m0unds | boots to a desktop env, just like most linux distros nowadays | [16:49] |
| cpet | so distros like gentoo arch or linux from scratch the hell with those heh
ive used pcbsd | [16:49] |
| grody | i dunno.. have a decent intel graphics cards, a compatible sound card and a half decent cpu/ram bundle... it'd suffice... but it's managing all those packages.. | [16:49] |
| cpet | and I might even move back to it | [16:50] |
| BryceBot | That's what she said!! | [16:50] |
| grody | for servers, routers, etc. deffo FreeBSD | [16:50] |
| staticsafe | Windows on the desktop, Linux on the servers for me these days | [16:50] |
| cpet | but linux has one problems
it tends to break sometimes when you update | [16:50] |
| grody | i first setup an 8.2 on ARP, got it the way i wanted.. hardened it sufficiently and it ran for a good 311 days before i fudged an update which forced a reboot | [16:51] |
| cpet | the bleeding edge ones more than the others | [16:51] |
| brycec | (because nothing else does...) | [16:51] |
| grody | but it was literally a setup and fotget | [16:51] |
| m0unds | i can't remember the last time i had a windows install get hosed by updates | [16:51] |
| cpet | but thats what you get when you use bleeding edge | [16:51] |
| grody | im quite happy with win7 and 10 | [16:51] |
| cpet | a few windows 8 updates rendered my system showing just a black screen | [16:52] |
| grody | just dont like 8.1 because im running it on a tablet and it's effing annoying
might update this one to 10 too | [16:52] |
| cpet | i lost my windows 7 windows 8 dvd's
and I wont bother to download pirated or buy anything so it's either Linux or BSD | [16:52] |
| grody | i have an update dvd, an OEM install DVD and about 10 win7 keys and 4 win8(.1) | [16:53] |
| m0unds | you can get the install img for win8 from msft without anything
there's a tool you download and run and it grabs the iso for you | [16:53] |
| grody | err, win7 DVD.. no win8.x's tho | [16:53] |
| cpet | Linux does what I need, wine does what I need for the small amount of programs I use which are win32 based
so I don't need windows PC took a shit and I just said ah crap can't find my dvd's lets install freebsd heh | [16:54] |
| grody | PCBSD | [16:54] |
| cpet | but after the constant issues I installed debian | [16:54] |
| grody | thats FreeBSD geared for a desktop, but i couldn't get on with that either | [16:55] |
| cpet | such as buying x and having to find drivers for or edit code to add pci ids | [16:55] |
| grody | i like debian.. but something has be hooked on mint for some very odd reason | [16:55] |
| cpet | i hate gnome3 | [16:55] |
| grody | xfce | [16:55] |
| cpet | but Debian has an option to load Gnome Classic
so bleh | [16:55] |
| grody | lxde is nice too | [16:56] |
| cpet | i have a script that randomly loads a DE | [16:56] |
| grody | lightweight, featureful | [16:56] |
| cpet | so sometimes I runs KDE other time it's xfce, lxde E openbox windowmaker | [16:56] |
| grody | it makes it easy for me to run many terminals on many virtual desktops
wmaker i used to swear by once upon my early days | [16:56] |
| cpet | for some reason BSD on ZFS doesn't allow me to watch movies
will skip no matter what tunes i changed i couldn't get it to work server runs like a champ with a capped sysctl or else server would die with a free mem issue | [16:57] |
| grody | i use the login classes on freebsd to limit what certain processes can do | [16:59] |
| cpet | login classes doesn't work on a fs
you need to limit the arc | [17:00] |
| grody | used to force apache to "pretend" to run out of resources earlier to prevent it killing the server, and stop people thrashing it | [17:00] |
| cpet | i started to use nginx | [17:01] |
| grody | to be honest, i haven't tampered massively with filesystem acl's | [17:01] |
| cpet | I was using hiawatha
then switched to nginx got sick of the rewrite stuff | [17:01] |
| grody | there are some interesting things to be done, but it's a little way above what i realisticly need
yea im looking at switching apache has become a bloat | [17:01] |
| BryceBot | That's what she said!! | [17:02] |
| cpet | atleast with nginx theres a site that converts to nginx | [17:02] |
| grody | only crapper is i have to tinker with make.conf to make web dependent stuff when i build from sources to use that instead
and a lot of stuff doesn't like it | [17:03] |
| cpet | and if I get more attached to openbsd I will switch over my main server to it | [17:03] |
| grody | never got on with that either hah | [17:04] |
| cpet | i was heavily involved with freebsd but I dropped out of that recently | [17:04] |
| grody | been using it constantly in some form for some time | [17:06] |
| cpet | Linux changes too much BSD has been the same
one day its netfilter another ipchains another iptables | [17:06] |
| grody | yea, but every now and then they make critical changes to core components and it goes all hell and by the time you've caught up, they do the same to something else
oh i've been an ipfw whore for some time it was from 4.x to 6.x that ipfw changed, a lot | [17:07] |
| cpet | one days its systemd another it's something else | [17:08] |
| grody | i crapped it
dbus, udevd, eventd.. fortunately i still havent had a need for udev in freebsd | [17:08] |
| cpet | devd does what udev does "technically"
just no DE uses it cause well no one cares for the BSD's and it take a lot of fucks to give to make me program something for "free" | [17:09] |
| grody | apple have (alledgedly) provided a lot of contributions to freebsd code | [17:10] |
| cpet | once you get the same amount of drivers for HW | [17:11] |
| grody | my TV runs a freebsd derivitive | [17:11] |
| cpet | and decent support for general stuff
and ofcourse most people will use it BSD license allows companys to create things and not require source to be provided | [17:12] |
| grody | why i say a decent intel graphics.. freebsd/amd is quirky | [17:12] |
| cpet | GPL requires this | [17:12] |
| grody | err.. nvidia/amd
yup | [17:12] |
| cpet | freebsd was donated 1 mil
I dont see anythign worth while done with it besides hosting cons | [17:12] |
| grody | well, apple uses a massive amount of the code in it's OS's | [17:13] |
| cpet | uses doesn't mean it _has_ to contribute back | [17:13] |
| m0unds | the PS3 and PS4 OS' are both derivatives of BSD | [17:13] |
| grody | them too ^
i used to have an ADSL router that was using freebsd derivitive too was way chuffed for 20 quid | [17:14] |
| cpet | it serves one purpose to play games and a small handful of devices controllers and cameras and such | [17:14] |
| m0unds | i'm sure there's some amount of contribution of bugfixes and whatnot | [17:14] |
| cpet | a desktop requires more something that BSD fails | [17:14] |
| grody | windows for sometime used a chunk of freebsd stuff | [17:15] |
| cpet | such as me going to the store buying a usb thumb drive and failing to work | [17:15] |
| m0unds | msft still contributes bugfixes too | [17:15] |
| cpet | Linux doesnt have this problem since almost all devices have Linux drivers
I am talking about bsd on the desktop not the fact that BSD runs the playstation | [17:15] |
| m0unds | but having drivers doesn't mean they're good, or beyond basically functional | [17:16] |
| grody | never had an issue with umass in fbsd
my 3g dongles even work in it now and bluetooth and most of my wifi adaptors now using pfsense which is running a 10.x freebsd kernel | [17:16] |
| cpet | I bought 2 of them which failed to work
heh | [17:17] |
| grody | yea it is picky.. i always buy generic chipset types | [17:17] |
| cpet | i buy whats avaialble | [17:17] |
| grody | broadcom bluetooth is usually generic, atheros wifi, intel nics, usb-serial or cdc-ether-usb types
usb webcams are always fun mind thats is VERY hit and miss | [17:18] |
| cpet | i spent a few hours whinning to some freebsd devs on why they cant leave the ssetuid stuff enable in E
I mean the wm doesn't work without them you can't change the resolution so whats the point it's a desktop not the key to the city any who enough with the ranting | [17:18] |
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| mercutio | cpet ipchains to iptables was years ago
like 15+ years ago iptables has been around for ages now | [18:20] |
| m0unds | yea, i remember ipchains back in the 2.4.x days | [18:21] |
| mercutio | in that time openbsd shifted to pf, freebsd sort of shifted to pf, os x shifted to pf | [18:21] |
| m0unds | along with lilo | [18:21] |
| mercutio | most os's have changed... | [18:21] |
| m0unds | or whatever it was | [18:21] |
| mercutio | ipchains was 2.2
lilo was ick hah | [18:21] |
| m0unds | oh 2.2
long enough ago that i don't care haha | [18:22] |
| mercutio | heh | [18:22] |
| m0unds | also, gtx970 is pretty nice. this one runs with its fans off til it hits 60C | [18:22] |
| mercutio | i remember 2.2 reduced my network latency by like 0.2 msec
m0unds: 60c isn't very hot i wish they'd do it until 80c or something | [18:22] |
| m0unds | it's silent til the fan hits 70% | [18:23] |
| mercutio | my fanless video card runs at aronud 55c normally i think
ahh | [18:23] |
| m0unds | the rest of the fans in the chassis are louder than the gpu fans, and the case ones are 140mm or bigger
so very quiet | [18:24] |
| mercutio | you know hlots of video cards don't run well with fans on 100% all of the time | [18:24] |
| m0unds | yup | [18:24] |
| mercutio | the fans aren't designed for 100% use. | [18:24] |
| m0unds | well, their duty cycle is 100%
typically rated as such PWM ones, occasionally not but for the most part, they rate the mtbf and stuff w/it at full duty cycle | [18:24] |
| mercutio | fans on computers are a pita
it's hard to get good fans | [18:24] |
| m0unds | but yeah, this thing is nearly silent | [18:24] |
| mercutio | it's a bloody lottery.
and different fans make different annoying noises. | [18:25] |
| m0unds | was playing the witcher 3, it hit 71C and held there with the fans running at less than 1000rpm | [18:25] |
| mercutio | nice
1000 rpm is a good speed for a fan 3000 rpm is not | [18:25] |
| m0unds | yup | [18:25] |
| mercutio | 1000 rpm fans all around is pretty good way to go | [18:25] |
| m0unds | max temp for the chipset is 91C
so lots of cushion before it would ramp up | [18:25] |
| mercutio | hmm my video card is at 64c atm
i should be able to improve it | [18:26] |
| m0unds | mine's at 34C | [18:26] |
| mercutio | this is radeon 7750
with no fan | [18:26] |
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