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| mkb | mercutio: "activity" bars are at least better than nothing and hoping the user knows how to use top
well I bet there's a graphical top on there the download bar is easy enough, even if it's not an accurate statement of percent time, it can be an accurate statement of bytes downloaded I prefer some sort of message about what it's doing to a progress bar; then if I know the process I can see how far along it is | [07:21] |
| mercutio | mkb: there's nothing on the install bit, and with wifi on cellphones the install tends to take longer than the download
at least with the kind of stuff i download i expect if there were heaps of graphics resources or something it mayt be different | [07:33] |
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| m0unds | mercutio that's especially true w/modern (5.0+) versions of android due to the new runtime | [10:44] |
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| mercutio | m0unds: it's true with 4 too if you enable the new thingy | [15:34] |
| m0unds | breaks compatibility with stuff, lots of apps don't support it on 4.0.x | [15:35] |
| mercutio | i haven't had any issues with it, but i don't run muuch | [15:35] |
| m0unds | it's an early iteration of ART too, so that's part of why it breaks things | [15:35] |
| mercutio | like i said i don't have issuesd
i think i have 4.4.4? yeh it's 4.4.4, i want android 5 :) | [15:37] |
| m0unds | it's buggy as shit | [15:39] |
| mercutio | apparently my phone is likely to jump to 5.1
buut it's been forever :) | [15:42] |
| m0unds | i'm on 5.1.1, and it's only slightly less buggy/crashy/annoying than 5.0.x | [15:43] |
| mercutio | how major are the bugus?
bugs? i kind of don't like the way android works still :( | [15:48] |
| staticsafe | i switched to iOS | [15:50] |
| mercutio | years back i was reading about ideas behind persistent os's / programs
liek you udon't start/stop a program you just save the state of a program in case it crashes it kinds of doesn't work with network connections i suppose and there are some complications :) but sometimes i think people shouuld justu think in totally different ways to make things a juump better like simple things like android should boot in < 6 seconds even after an "update" and preferably uunder 2 and the whole doing updates thing being slow with art is becase they compile on the phone which seems stuupid | [15:50] |
| acf__ | it makes them platform independent | [15:54] |
| mercutio | yeh but you could have binaries for all the platforms prety easily
it's what intel, mips 32 bit, arps 64 bit. mips, arm 32, arm 64.. | [15:56] |
| acf__ | I guess | [15:57] |
| mercutio | and the binaries aren't extremely large.
and the install time is very frustrating | [15:57] |
| acf__ | but I think different ARM / Intel chips have slightly different instruction sets / capabilities
so it helps for optimization if you target the specific platform but yea, the compile time is terrible | [15:57] |
| mercutio | true, only a tiny amount though.
and it's usually to do with things like graphics | [15:58] |
| acf__ | I guess also they could ship the java bytecode and precompiled binaries for some architectures.. | [15:58] |
| mercutio | and then google play store is closed source, so you can't do it yourself :/ | [15:58] |
| m0unds | i'd like it if ios on phones supported more gestures, like ipads do | [15:59] |
| mercutio | yeah even if half of them were, it'd quicken things up | [15:59] |
| m0unds | one of my fav things about my palm pre was gestures to invoke multitasking and stuff
and that's circa 2009 | [15:59] |
| acf__ | imo, best user interface ever: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N9 | [15:59] |
| BryceBot | Nokia N9 :: The Nokia N9 (codename Lankku) is a smartphone made by Nokia running on the Linux-based MeeGo "Harmattan" mobile operating system. First released in September 2011, it was the first and only device from Nokia with MeeGo. It was released in three colors: black, cyan and magenta, before Nokia announced on Nokia World 2011 the white version of the phone. History and availability The successor of Nokia N900, internally... | [15:59] |
| acf__ | http://otavafiles.fi/plaza/s/f/editor/images/X-20121010223747773155.jpg | [15:59] |
| mercutio | i still can't believe that 512mb isn't enough memory for a phone in some ways. | [15:59] |
| m0unds | wasn't a fan of meego at all | [15:59] |
| mercutio | but things like chrome are such memory hogs, and all the java etc.
wasn't google moving to dart? | [15:59] |
| m0unds | my phone has 3gb of ram and doesn't come close to even using half of it during normal day to day stuff
it's dumb | [16:00] |
| mercutio | m0unds: my tablet has 2gb of ram and seems fine. | [16:00] |
| acf__ | yea, but then you have to convince developers to write in Dart :P | [16:00] |
| mercutio | but my phone has 1gb of ram and struggles a little.
well google can :/ | [16:00] |
| acf__ | m0unds: Harmattan seemed strange at first, but I miss a lot of the features now that I'm on Android
like the clock screensaver, and the live multitasking previews | [16:01] |
| mercutio | mercutio wonders how long his phone takes to boot | [16:02] |
| m0unds | https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-ssv7lervddA/VV-1Byc118I/AAAAAAAAM_g/C_RuYtfgHzw/w331-h588-no/Screenshot_2015-05-22-16-59-30.png | [16:04] |
| mercutio | 40 seconds.
6 seconds to shutdown | [16:04] |
| BryceBot | That's what she said!! | [16:04] |
| mercutio | also it takes a bit longer than that for sip to register etc.
why does settings use 59mb of ram | [16:04] |
| m0unds | because the frontend for settings was running for me to get the screenshot? | [16:05] |
| mercutio | hmm my settings is taken 34mb of ram but i don't have that bit about device memory | [16:06] |
| m0unds | might be a cyanogen thing, no idea | [16:06] |
| mercutio | i dnno it just seems a lot of ram for something simple like settings
but i suppose you uhave a fancy settings. oh down the bottom 485mb usued 366mb free google play services is 22+34 too it seems my phone has a bit less than 1gb of ram, maybe that's why it struggles. also mototorolla runs from services etc which take up memory too | [16:06] |
| brycec | m0unds: What phone do you have? | [16:12] |
| m0unds | oneplus one | [16:12] |
| mercutio | oh do you like it m0unds ?
i considered getting one of those when i got my phone. | [16:13] |
| m0unds | it's alright, i like that it doesn't have carrier bloat | [16:13] |
| mercutio | butu to my my mind samsung note 4 seemed better
and way too expensive, and i figured i was never going to be happy :/ i thought you'd manuually installed cyanogenmod | [16:13] |
| brycec | All I see for CM are nightlies these days. Do they not have "releases" anymore? | [16:14] |
| mercutio | which has it's own bloat :/ | [16:14] |
| m0unds | not for 12
cyanogenmod has nearly no bloat, it doesn't even ship with google svcs by default | [16:14] |
| mercutio | most of the custom android stuff is buggy
m0unds: that's for legal reasons. | [16:14] |
| m0unds | right
but the point is still there it's essentially aosp with a handful of meaningful things like a themes framework, a file browser and a couple other things | [16:15] |
| mercutio | i dunno they increase features in normal programs, i'd call that bloat | [16:15] |
| m0unds | like..battery toggles | [16:15] |
| mercutio | but google stopped releasing source for heaps of things
so some things are older versions. a themes framework is bloat :/ | [16:15] |
| m0unds | that's being hideously pedantic
if you look at the sheer amount of useless garbage on samsung devices or any carrier branded thing in the us, it's atrocious | [16:15] |
| brycec | ugh Samsung and HTC I avoid at all costs | [16:16] |
| m0unds | i don't need 3 different types of photo gallery apps (carrier, mfgr and android) | [16:16] |
| mercutio | yeah i suppose i have motorola phone which is lighter on bloat than most. | [16:16] |
| m0unds | i don't need a handwriting input method | [16:16] |
| brycec | (unless I can wipe away their stupid roms) | [16:16] |
| m0unds | i don't need eye unlock or at&t storage
i don't need an at&t visual voicemail app | [16:16] |
| mercutio | my tablet is samsung, and has a lot of bloat | [16:16] |
| m0unds | yeah | [16:16] |
| mercutio | but it's also got more ram etc.
problem is, you kind of need to use the samsung bloat if you want stylus support | [16:16] |
| m0unds | yep, which is shitty
because their software is gross | [16:17] |
| mercutio | yeah well limitation of android.
and tbh, it's better than it was. samsung actually improved the perforamnce a little. | [16:17] |
| m0unds | well, it was horrible before
so i'd imagine anything would be an improvement | [16:17] |
| mercutio | yeh i wouldn't want to use samsung low to midrange phone with that bloat. | [16:18] |
| m0unds | even the note 4 was known to stutter and hitch because of touchwiz | [16:18] |
| mercutio | but on a quuad core tablet, with gig's of ram it's not really an issue. | [16:18] |
| m0unds | and that's on very capable hardware | [16:18] |
| mercutio | ahh i didn't notice that when playing m0unds
bt i did notice it on galaxy note pro 12.1 or whatever | [16:18] |
| m0unds | https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=note+4+stutter | [16:19] |
| mercutio | cos in the shop it had older release. | [16:19] |
| m0unds | brycec: yea, i don't think i'd ever buy another android device that i couldn't run cm or similar on | [16:19] |
| mercutio | i think the note 3 was doing similar too. | [16:19] |
| m0unds | i'm not a big android fan at all though | [16:19] |
| mercutio | i was thinking about buying a 3 when they come down in price.
but if note 4 was kind of half the price it is now i'd probably consider it.] m0unds: most people that seem to say android is good, say it's because you can run apps.. where iphone you can run apps on too.. and most people don't seem to actually run many apps. | [16:19] |
| m0unds | yea, they hoard them
install and forget it's there | [16:21] |
| mercutio | i have facebook messenger, skype, csipsimple, chrome, connectbot, speedtest.net, solitaire, some heart rate monitor, and an alternate launcher.
oh and a flash light, and wifi analyser. so i could probably get equiv functionality easily on iphone. well i suppose iphone doesn't have alternate launchers. | [16:23] |
| m0unds | i'd like to be able to hide icons without folders
on ios i have 9 icons on my homescreen | [16:24] |
| mercutio | does iphone have multiple home screens? | [16:25] |
| m0unds | it dumps all your icons onto the launcher | [16:26] |
| staticsafe | there is no "app drawer" | [16:26] |
| m0unds | it has as many screens as it takes to show the icons of every app on the device | [16:26] |
| mercutio | damn
i like having a google app drawer. | [16:26] |
| m0unds | i use folders to hide the apple stuff i don't use
like..the watch app on my ipad | [16:26] |
| mercutio | oh home screen and apps are one? | [16:27] |
| m0unds | yea
there's no drawer, like staticsafe said your homescreen is your app drawer http://1drv.ms/1ApIXwB | [16:27] |
| mercutio | oh i thought you meant like a drawer for apps, like google has :)
where you click google drawer, and get google apps | [16:28] |
| m0unds | oh, no | [16:28] |
| mercutio | yeah i haven't relaly uuused an iphone
when i tried using an ipad briefly years ago i thought text looked nice, but i didn't really like it if there's one thing apple seem to be good at, it's making text look nice. | [16:29] |
| m0unds | i have a retina ipad mini, and it's pretty nice | [16:30] |
| mercutio | this wasn't even retina :) | [16:30] |
| m0unds | i didn't like the formfactor of the regular ipad as much | [16:30] |
| mercutio | it was original i think?
it was the same time i bought my nexus 7 the formfactor stuff is a bit crazy now days like you can go 4", 5", 6", 7", 8", 9", 10", 11", 12", 13", 14", 15" | [16:30] |
| m0unds | haha | [16:32] |
| mercutio | and then how many devices within that are you going to have? | [16:32] |
| m0unds | just between 4 and 6 you'll have a good chunk of the high end android market | [16:32] |
| mercutio | so i have like 4.5", 10", 11", 14" | [16:32] |
| m0unds | and all iphones | [16:32] |
| mercutio | err and 7" nexus 7 that i never use
which has android 5 oh i wonder if android 5.1 is out for it :/ | [16:32] |
| m0unds | i have..5.5, 7.9, 13 and 27
27 being desktop, 13 being macbook | [16:33] |
| mercutio | i reckon 4.5" is a nice size for phone | [16:33] |
| m0unds | it is, i had a lumia 925 for 2 years that was 4.5 or 4.7
one of the two | [16:33] |
| mercutio | but some of the newer phones being really thin makes their slight size increase not as bad | [16:33] |
| m0unds | my wife has a lumia 920 that's the same size
the 920 was nice because it's kind of hefty too and had a polycarbonate body, so it wears really well | [16:33] |
| mercutio | i have moto g 4g | [16:34] |
| m0unds | 925 was too thin for me and only had 16GB of storage, which got annoying | [16:34] |
| mercutio | which was slightly bigger than old phone, but not much, but i find the size and weight works for me
i'm actually scared of light stuff :) | [16:34] |
| m0unds | me too | [16:34] |
| mercutio | it feels like it's going to float away out of your hand | [16:35] |
| m0unds | 920 also has its wireless charging coil in the body, so it's a little heavier | [16:35] |
| mercutio | and a lot of the thin stuff seems to break their screens easily
i've dropped phones heaps of times, and never broken a screen i used to keep my phone in my shirt pocket | [16:35] |
| m0unds | yeah, same here. my current phone is the first one i've run without a big-ass otterbox type case (since i used to do lots of above-ceiling work and stuff) | [16:35] |
| mercutio | and then not take it out and lean over
and "out she goes" i find inside jacket pocket much more convenient but that doesn't help if it's hot | [16:35] |
| m0unds | mine goes in my right pants pocket, keys in my left | [16:37] |
| staticsafe | same | [16:37] |
| m0unds | i was driving a magrider the other day, forgot to take the stupid-ass cosmetic armor plating off of it, got stuck going between two sunderers and killed myself and both sunderers | [16:38] |
| staticsafe | rofl | [16:38] |
| m0unds | i keep forgetting it sticks way out. i bought it when it was on sale during one of those member sales last year, for like 25 sc or something
and every time i drive my mag i get stuck on stuff and abandon it or blow myself up because i always forget to remove it | [16:38] |
| mercutio | mine often goes in my left pants pocket, keys on the right | [16:39] |
| staticsafe | i rarely pull mags, usually AP Lightnings or deploy sunderers | [16:39] |
| mercutio | but it's a pain to get it out when sitting. | [16:39] |
| m0unds | yea, i'm too used to driving prowlers on my TR main to enjoy magriders as much | [16:40] |
| mercutio | hmm what are sunderers | [16:40] |
| m0unds | the drop on what's supposed to be a plasma projectile or photon weapon is stupid
vehicle in planetside | [16:40] |
| staticsafe | magriders are awesome if you have a good gunner | [16:40] |
| mercutio | oh it's a game. | [16:40] |
| m0unds | mobile spawn point | [16:40] |
| mercutio | i was wondering what you were talking about :) | [16:40] |
| m0unds | yeah, i just get derpy jerks who fire my saron at aircraft without hitting it
i run maxed vehicle stealth, so that's sort of the opposite of what i want to have happen hahaha | [16:41] |
| staticsafe | halberd OP, vehicle killer build | [16:41] |
| m0unds | hahaha | [16:41] |
| mercutio | do you guys have paywave there btw? | [16:41] |
| m0unds | i run fpc and saron hrb, vehicle stealth, mag burner
i don't recognize that name | [16:41] |
| mercutio | like you hold your credit card to a machine and it takes money out | [16:42] |
| m0unds | oh, contactless payment? | [16:42] |
| mercutio | yeh | [16:42] |
| m0unds | my chase card has it | [16:42] |
| staticsafe | yeah we have that in Canada | [16:42] |
| m0unds | my phone can do nfc payments, but there aren't many terminals enabled for it | [16:42] |
| mercutio | i loved it for access card, when you can just stick your wallet on the access card thingy
which seemed to happen a lot before credit cards. | [16:42] |
| m0unds | and a lot of times it's a huge hassle if they are (w/walgreens, you hover your phone, enter your wallet pin on the phone, then enter your wallet pin on the terminal then tap through prompts to confirm amounts and stuff on the terminal) | [16:43] |
| mercutio | if you kept card in jacket you could just lean up against it | [16:43] |
| m0unds | ah | [16:43] |
| mercutio | much easier than keys :) | [16:43] |
| m0unds | oh right | [16:43] |
| mercutio | but contactless stuff is going up | [16:43] |
| m0unds | i have a collection of old proxy cards from sites i used to visit who didn't want them back when i left the site | [16:43] |
| mercutio | yeh the credit card stuff you don't evne have a pin.
here at the supermarket i can use it if i spend less than $80 and usually i seem to spend like $83 | [16:44] |
| m0unds | yeah, i don't think i've ever been able to use the cc based one anywhere | [16:44] |
| mercutio | it works at lots of gas stations here.
it actually speeds things up. but a while ago people finally got faster machines, and credit card processing got way quicker. after the new chips lots of machines could take them, but were really slow. yeah i don't think nfc is common here. just the credit card stuff. and that's only really common at places that do lots of transactions | [16:44] |
| m0unds | staticsafe: do people whine about game mechanics and op factions in /yell chat on emerald? | [16:48] |
| staticsafe | sometimes yeah | [16:48] |
| BryceBot | That's what she said!! | [16:48] |
| staticsafe | mostly shittalking though | [16:48] |
| m0unds | ah | [16:48] |
| staticsafe | everybody except NC bitches about NC Ravens :P | [16:49] |
| m0unds | hahaha
i've been vortex whoring a lot it's so fun to pop liberators with them tank sniping is fun too, since the game doesn't render the beams past a certain distance so you just take damage out of nowhere (i'm well versed in this having spent a lot of time as TR) | [16:49] |
| staticsafe | lol | [16:51] |
| m0unds | "wtf, my tank just lost half its health out of nowhere" | [16:51] |
| staticsafe | lancer squads are ridiculous | [16:51] |
| m0unds | yeah | [16:51] |
| staticsafe | very effective | [16:51] |
| m0unds | VS on connery run air squads pretty regularly
causes so much whining | [16:52] |
| staticsafe | "oh you have an armor column? shame if it got melted by a shitton of lancers" | [16:52] |
| m0unds | yeah
oh, you're going to gal drop on the crown? shame if your galaxy gets ganked by 24 scythes outside your warpgate it's funny, but not terribly fun, haha | [16:52] |
| staticsafe | speaking of gal drop zergs
AOD ugh | [16:53] |
| m0unds | hahah | [16:54] |
| staticsafe | they will pull like 3-4 gals worth of people | [16:54] |
| m0unds | HMRD and stupid EXE on connery will fly 10-12 gals with 1.5-2 gals' worth of people aboard | [16:55] |
| staticsafe | but a lot of their players are not so good so a good defense is enough to thwart them | [16:55] |
| m0unds | lol
most of these guys just die colliding with each other trying to get into the fight it's so dumb i haven't played ps2 since the witcher 3 came out, but i think if i do hop back in it, i need to lay off the a2g stuff i think it makes my eyes hurt | [16:55] |
| BryceBot | That's what she said!! | [16:57] |
| staticsafe | mfw people still bitch about A2A lockons | [16:57] |
| m0unds | lol | [16:57] |
| staticsafe | some shit about pilots code of honor | [16:57] |
| m0unds | air knights go home
i'll usually just ram people who aren't quick enough to switch to guns after tagging me with an a2a missile vehicle stealth + ejection seat = mad rage | [16:57] |
| staticsafe | rofl | [16:58] |
| m0unds | it's funny to get solo aircraft w/my a2g scythe
they don't see me til i fire at them, and i'll usually fly directly behind, yelling that i need a ride and firing hornets and my ppa til they crash or i blow them up | [16:58] |
| staticsafe | lol | [16:59] |
| m0unds | w/the cybernetic voice saying "transportation is required", it cracks me up
haha i do the same thing w/the reaver and airhammer and arnold voice https://www.planetside2.com/players/#!/5428272618451872289/vehicles such a whore hahaha | [16:59] |
| staticsafe | still annoying that OBS doesn't work normally with PS2 | [17:03] |
| m0unds | yeah, i got it working a couple times
but it had audio sync issues for me, or would occasionally die and kill ps2 in the process | [17:03] |
| staticsafe | yeah | [17:04] |
| m0unds | i've been getting a fair amount of c2ds w/ps2 lately anyway | [17:04] |
| staticsafe | yeah latest patches introduced some new issues | [17:04] |
| m0unds | my favorite thing is spawning below the floor
it's especially great in the wg because it takes you 9 seconds to fall to your death and 10 to redeploy | [17:05] |
| staticsafe | speaking of AOD, VS just lost the Crown | [17:16] |
| <3 my outfit's TS server its 10ms away from me | [17:29] | |
| mercutio | input latency can easily be over 10 msec
usually when people have ping issues it's actally packet loss issues but 10msec is still al ot better than 50 msec in most situations | [17:37] |
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| up_the_irons | my HTC One (google play edition) keeps bitching at me to upgrade to Android 5.0.1. Should I do it? any major issues? | [18:37] |
| mercutio | i think usually people say no
at least that have had experience :) i dunno, i mostly hear about issues like lockscreen having less viewable stuff on it etc, like it's mostly minor issues. but you probably have to go to 5.0 to go to 5.1 it's annoying google don't let you revert from an upgrade easily. but if you're rooted you can make a backup first. do you have htc one m7? oh m7 and m8 both have 5.1 it sounds like http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/android-5-1-build-lmy47o-ota-hits-htc-one-m7-gpe-how-install-1502331 so "soon" 5.1 should be out with your carrier | [18:39] |
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| up_the_irons | mine isn't carrier locked (google edition) | [20:06] |
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| m0unds | up_the_irons: id wait to see if you get a prompt for 5.1 | [20:30] |
| up_the_irons | k | [20:30] |
| m0unds | has enough fixes to make it worth waiting for | [20:32] |
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| mercutio | up_the_irons: i thought carrier still made a diff for when updates come for those?
m0unds: does it skip? m0unds: with nexus 7, it makes you jump through in between versions.. | [20:59] |
| m0unds | no idea, some oems will do incremental based on the build you're on and others will make you go version to version | [21:02] |
| mercutio | but yeah regardless probably best to wait for 5.1 | [21:15] |
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