[00:03] yeah [00:03] it feels late for me too [00:11] well THAT's annoying. VPN went down in the middle of upgrades [00:11] * brycec waits... 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I figured at 3am I might still be at the bar... [05:26] as simple as that... [05:39] :) [06:14] ;> [07:12] *** phlux1 is now known as phlux [08:01] *** milki has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [08:01] *** milki has joined #arpnetworks [08:02] *** RandalSchwartz has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [08:03] *** twobithacker has quit IRC (Read error: Network is unreachable) [08:03] *** neish has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [08:03] *** mhoran has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [08:03] *** neish has joined #arpnetworks [08:04] *** NiTeMaRe has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [08:04] *** mhoran has joined #arpnetworks [08:04] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mhoran [08:04] *** twobithacker has joined #arpnetworks [08:05] *** NiTeMaRe has joined #arpnetworks [09:38] *** pjs has joined #arpnetworks [09:57] *** RandalSchwartz has joined #arpnetworks [09:57] *** RandalSchwartz has quit IRC (Changing host) [09:57] *** RandalSchwartz has joined #arpnetworks [11:39] lol up_the_irons [14:47] ugh wtf did they do to freebsd 10.x [14:48] hm? [14:49] its doing strange things.. just logged into it, and it seems to have killed my (solid working on 8.x) configuration for local mail transport [14:50] you mean it needs updating for config? [14:50] or it's overwritten it? [14:50] and was savaging cpu, load was upto 10 due to sendmails mailwrapper, which has been totally disabled, was trying to send localmail to a non existent address not in an updated aliases [14:50] nah it's a fresh install [14:51] i dunnoi always use postfix [14:52] aliases is set to send to a jail on a different loopback address, thats all working.. but for some reason it stopped using the mail aliases for root@127.0.2.1 and tried sending to 0.0.1 [14:52] yea me too, but even with all sendmail disable flags on boot, it seemed to have cropped up [14:52] weird [14:52] 10.x on load.. never had a beastie that high [14:52] i wouldn't rely on 127.0.2.1 working [14:52] mercutio, normally no.. but it is the primary IP of a jail [14:53] the jail was still fully functional [14:53] hmm [14:53] it is bad practice, but i've found it work(ed)s [14:54] hence why i said i wouldn't /rely/ on it working [14:54] bloody changing what i love.. not fair [14:54] haha [14:54] there aren't too many wild exploits (at least none kernel/stack wise) on 8.2.. i may revert back [14:54] over that? [14:55] that and other sillies that i cant go into (more personal) [14:55] i see [14:55] i used to think freebsd was some kind of porn, and started using it the same time as linux (when 4.1 was latest release) [14:56] and since finding freebsd i used it religiously for all networking.. i got into a knot simply over the ipfw change to ipfw2 which meant rules needed to be written differently (i used to ♥ making ipfw rulesets), now pf is the "king" [14:56] it's subtle little changes that hurt me [14:57] like the obsoletion of ifconfig and route in linux [14:57] i despise iptables [14:57] i much prefer the iproute2 syntax over the net-tools one [14:58] i like pf and ipfw, and can use either interchangeably without much trouble [14:58] except for the netstat replacement [14:58] i also like npf on netbsd a lot [14:58] but it's not as well documented as pf and ipfw [14:58] i like iptables as i can easily direct per app / per user traffic transparently through a proxy or the like, i've had issues with ipfw.. pf i have a lot of fun with too [14:58] cant comment on netbsd.. only poked for a while a few years back, but never really used it [14:59] i should [14:59] what made me like iptables was a routerboard (routeros) [14:59] once i saw how powerful it could be, i had to tinker [14:59] That's what she said!! [15:01] what is the netstat replacement? [15:01] i use routeros at home, it works nicely [15:01] ss [15:01] uhh [15:01] why's it so wide [15:01] yeah [15:01] its formatted terribly [15:02] i still have an RB750.. but it's limited on bandwidth (can handle about 20mbps realisticly) [15:02] the alignment to : is annoying too [15:02] use it as the public wifi hotspot with a pfsense [15:02] and it doesn't do dns lookups? [15:02] but it does do port lookups [15:02] a replacement to netstat? [15:02] that too?? [15:02] yeh it seems faster than netstat [15:03] lsof is handy for such things, i use that a lot [15:03] but netstat i use a lot still [15:03] but it's probably because it's not doing name lookups [15:03] mercutio: ss -r [15:03] it doesn't do resolving by default [15:03] so ss -f inet -rn is a good way to run it [15:03] i dont like that [15:03] even on a wide terminal [15:04] i think it's becuase i'm using a wide terminal i don't like it? [15:04] it's like sendq has 16 bytes or something to it? [15:04] the local address, peer address, sendq just have so much width [15:05] oh it doesn't shorten dns lookups [15:05] it's messy [15:06] ec2-54-249-82-171.ap-northeast-1.compute.amazonaws.com:80 [15:06] that's way too long :( [15:07] ss -al = real 0m0.014s user 0m0.000s sys 0m0.015s [15:07] netstat -al = real 0m0.035s user 0m0.015s sys 0m0.003s [15:07] both took 4 seconds for me [15:07] That's what she said!! [15:08] ss -f inet -n 0.00s user 0.00s system 0% cpu 0.002 total [15:08] actually 2 now hmm [15:08] im on a host with very few open sockets though [15:08] netstat -tn 0.00s user 0.00s system 0% cpu 0.002 total [15:08] i nevre care about sockets when using netstat/ss [15:09] 12/0/9 for ss -f inet -n [15:09] i wonder why your user time is so high [15:09] | wc -l [15:09] 4/4/0 on netstat -tn [15:09] gives 83 [15:09] laptop [15:09] i7-4770 [15:10] most likely ondemand (running at 600Mhz) [15:10] 2 msec vs 15msec is high though [15:10] phenom II N830 [15:10] ahh [15:10] yea im at 800Mhz [15:10] and shyte wifi [15:10] yeh that memory bandwidth will be way lower [15:10] nice for compiling stuff though [15:11] really? [15:11] just set it, forget it [15:11] yea it sits in the corner, dont really use it for anything more than compiling stuff on [15:11] i was getting annoyed at my i3 being slow to compile [15:11] think it's a 2.3GHz tri-core with 4GB RAM [15:11] so with a -j4 it goes pretty well [15:12] i keep wanting to buy another cpu [15:12] built AOSP from scratch for my xperia in 7 hours [15:12] as i have one more motherboard than cpu [15:12] but new ones are coming out "soon" [15:12] hehe i havent bought an upgrade @home for about a year now [15:12] probably would be closer to 2 hours on i7 grody :) [15:13] meh :P [15:13] i don't even want an upgrade [15:13] i kind of wnated a cpu with vt-d though [15:13] i7-4770 here, probably don't need to upgrade for a while [15:13] most computations i need to do can usually be offloaded into a GPU, and i do have a small E2200 with a K10 GPU that does the trick [15:14] it's amazing how much faster i7-4770 is than i7-3770 for some linux stuff [15:14] should think about buying something new, but in all honesty i dont really need something powerful [15:14] grody: i5-4690k ? [15:15] i don't need anything that powerful either really, but i figured i really hate upgrading. [15:15] and had to get non-k cpu for vt-d before [15:15] between this laptop, that workbench with the K10 and a small 4U held out in a DC with dual Opterons 16 cores (yes, i know i wished i didn't go AMD) i have too much [15:16] i keep meaning to upgrade ram [15:16] but a small powerful PC for compilation/ccache/dictcc or the like would be nice [15:16] That's what she said!! [15:16] i have ram to upgrade with [15:17] problem with small/powerful can be that it's noisier than larger computers [15:17] my AMD chips all support hardware virtualisation, my lenovo netboot especially [15:17] and if it's compiling etc it generates heat. [15:17] only intel i have with it is the Baytrail Z Atom series in my tablet [15:17] amd are doing new fsater cpus apparently [15:17] i'm not sure what they'll be like. [15:18] i have one amd cpuu that i bought before, it's quad core, and it's slower than g3258 dual core for compiling even. [15:18] i only went for the awe of AMD because they usually chuck in extra CPU features on "consumer" chips [15:18] yeah at least it has something akin to vt-d [15:18] fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt pdpe1gb rdtscp lm 3dnowext 3dnow constant_tsc rep_good nopl nonstop_tsc extd_apicid pni monitor cx16 popcnt lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm extapic cr8_legacy abm sse4a misalignsse 3dnowprefetch osvw ibs skinit wdt nodeid_msr hw_pstate npt lbrv svm_lock nrip_save vmmcall [15:18] thats this N830 [15:18] svm [15:19] and this laptop is an easy 3 years old now [15:21] oh yea.. put windows 10 on my tablet [15:22] now it's insider preview and has better tablet support than TP did [15:23] it's a tad slower loading stuff, but im actually quite liking it [15:23] plus it's made it easier for me to load linux too [15:24] for some reason the 8.1 w/ bing, if i put an entry in that didn't exist each boot, i had to manually select the windows to boot (would never autoboot) [15:24] in 10. it will just boot 10 if the pendrive for linux isnt plugged in, if it is, it will give me an option [15:25] *** m0unds_ has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [19:02] * mercutio just realised he never checked that his vm came back up [19:02] so of course it didn't hah [19:09] oh well god opportunity to upgrade it [19:15] good even, i had somehow renamed /bsd out of place [19:18] heh [20:27] lol mercutio [22:22] lol [22:29] *** m0unds has quit IRC (Quit: derp) [22:34] *** m0unds has joined #arpnetworks [22:34] *** m0unds is now known as m0unds_ [23:38] whee 250mbps upload to AWS (from ARP) [23:38] that made backups quicker than expected