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RandalSchwartz has joined #arpnetworks brycec: lol up_the_irons grody: ugh wtf did they do to freebsd 10.x staticsafe: hm? grody: its doing strange things.. just logged into it, and it seems to have killed my (solid working on 8.x) configuration for local mail transport mercutio: you mean it needs updating for config?
or it's overwritten it? grody: and was savaging cpu, load was upto 10 due to sendmails mailwrapper, which has been totally disabled, was trying to send localmail to a non existent address not in an updated aliases
nah it's a fresh install mercutio: i dunnoi always use postfix grody: aliases is set to send to a jail on a different loopback address, thats all working.. but for some reason it stopped using the mail aliases for root@127.0.2.1 and tried sending to 0.0.1
yea me too, but even with all sendmail disable flags on boot, it seemed to have cropped up mercutio: weird grody: 10.x on load.. never had a beastie that high mercutio: i wouldn't rely on 127.0.2.1 working grody: mercutio, normally no.. but it is the primary IP of a jail
the jail was still fully functional mercutio: hmm grody: it is bad practice, but i've found it work(ed)s mercutio: hence why i said i wouldn't /rely/ on it working grody: bloody changing what i love.. not fair m0unds: haha grody: there aren't too many wild exploits (at least none kernel/stack wise) on 8.2.. i may revert back m0unds: over that? grody: that and other sillies that i cant go into (more personal) m0unds: i see grody: i used to think freebsd was some kind of porn, and started using it the same time as linux (when 4.1 was latest release)
and since finding freebsd i used it religiously for all networking.. i got into a knot simply over the ipfw change to ipfw2 which meant rules needed to be written differently (i used to ♥ making ipfw rulesets), now pf is the "king"
it's subtle little changes that hurt me
like the obsoletion of ifconfig and route in linux m0unds: i despise iptables staticsafe: i much prefer the iproute2 syntax over the net-tools one m0unds: i like pf and ipfw, and can use either interchangeably without much trouble staticsafe: except for the netstat replacement m0unds: i also like npf on netbsd a lot
but it's not as well documented as pf and ipfw grody: i like iptables as i can easily direct per app / per user traffic transparently through a proxy or the like, i've had issues with ipfw.. pf i have a lot of fun with too
cant comment on netbsd.. only poked for a while a few years back, but never really used it
i should
what made me like iptables was a routerboard (routeros)
once i saw how powerful it could be, i had to tinker BryceBot: That's what she said!! mercutio: what is the netstat replacement? staticsafe: i use routeros at home, it works nicely
ss mercutio: uhh
why's it so wide staticsafe: yeah
its formatted terribly grody: i still have an RB750.. but it's limited on bandwidth (can handle about 20mbps realisticly) mercutio: the alignment to : is annoying too grody: use it as the public wifi hotspot with a pfsense mercutio: and it doesn't do dns lookups?
but it does do port lookups grody: a replacement to netstat?
that too?? mercutio: yeh it seems faster than netstat grody: lsof is handy for such things, i use that a lot
but netstat i use a lot still mercutio: but it's probably because it's not doing name lookups staticsafe: mercutio: ss -r
it doesn't do resolving by default mercutio: so ss -f inet -rn is a good way to run it grody: i dont like that
even on a wide terminal mercutio: i think it's becuase i'm using a wide terminal i don't like it?
it's like sendq has 16 bytes or something to it?
the local address, peer address, sendq just have so much width
oh it doesn't shorten dns lookups grody: it's messy mercutio: ec2-54-249-82-171.ap-northeast-1.compute.amazonaws.com:80
that's way too long :( grody: ss -al = real 0m0.014s user 0m0.000s sys 0m0.015s
netstat -al = real 0m0.035s user 0m0.015s sys 0m0.003s mercutio: both took 4 seconds for me BryceBot: That's what she said!! mercutio: ss -f inet -n 0.00s user 0.00s system 0% cpu 0.002 total
actually 2 now hmm grody: im on a host with very few open sockets though mercutio: netstat -tn 0.00s user 0.00s system 0% cpu 0.002 total
i nevre care about sockets when using netstat/ss grody: 12/0/9 for ss -f inet -n mercutio: i wonder why your user time is so high
| wc -l grody: 4/4/0 on netstat -tn mercutio: gives 83 grody: laptop mercutio: i7-4770 grody: most likely ondemand (running at 600Mhz) mercutio: 2 msec vs 15msec is high though grody: phenom II N830 mercutio: ahh grody: yea im at 800Mhz
and shyte wifi mercutio: yeh that memory bandwidth will be way lower grody: nice for compiling stuff though mercutio: really? grody: just set it, forget it
yea it sits in the corner, dont really use it for anything more than compiling stuff on mercutio: i was getting annoyed at my i3 being slow to compile grody: think it's a 2.3GHz tri-core with 4GB RAM
so with a -j4 it goes pretty well mercutio: i keep wanting to buy another cpu grody: built AOSP from scratch for my xperia in 7 hours mercutio: as i have one more motherboard than cpu
but new ones are coming out "soon" grody: hehe i havent bought an upgrade @home for about a year now mercutio: probably would be closer to 2 hours on i7 grody :) grody: meh :P mercutio: i don't even want an upgrade
i kind of wnated a cpu with vt-d though staticsafe: i7-4770 here, probably don't need to upgrade for a while grody: most computations i need to do can usually be offloaded into a GPU, and i do have a small E2200 with a K10 GPU that does the trick mercutio: it's amazing how much faster i7-4770 is than i7-3770 for some linux stuff grody: should think about buying something new, but in all honesty i dont really need something powerful mercutio: grody: i5-4690k ?
i don't need anything that powerful either really, but i figured i really hate upgrading.
and had to get non-k cpu for vt-d before grody: between this laptop, that workbench with the K10 and a small 4U held out in a DC with dual Opterons 16 cores (yes, i know i wished i didn't go AMD) i have too much mercutio: i keep meaning to upgrade ram grody: but a small powerful PC for compilation/ccache/dictcc or the like would be nice BryceBot: That's what she said!! mercutio: i have ram to upgrade with
problem with small/powerful can be that it's noisier than larger computers grody: my AMD chips all support hardware virtualisation, my lenovo netboot especially mercutio: and if it's compiling etc it generates heat. grody: only intel i have with it is the Baytrail Z Atom series in my tablet mercutio: amd are doing new fsater cpus apparently
i'm not sure what they'll be like.
i have one amd cpuu that i bought before, it's quad core, and it's slower than g3258 dual core for compiling even. grody: i only went for the awe of AMD because they usually chuck in extra CPU features on "consumer" chips mercutio: yeah at least it has something akin to vt-d grody: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt pdpe1gb rdtscp lm 3dnowext 3dnow constant_tsc rep_good nopl nonstop_tsc extd_apicid pni monitor cx16 popcnt lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm extapic cr8_legacy abm sse4a misalignsse 3dnowprefetch osvw ibs skinit wdt nodeid_msr hw_pstate npt lbrv svm_lock nrip_save vmmcall
thats this N830
svm
and this laptop is an easy 3 years old now
oh yea.. put windows 10 on my tablet
now it's insider preview and has better tablet support than TP did
it's a tad slower loading stuff, but im actually quite liking it
plus it's made it easier for me to load linux too
for some reason the 8.1 w/ bing, if i put an entry in that didn't exist each boot, i had to manually select the windows to boot (would never autoboot)
in 10. it will just boot 10 if the pendrive for linux isnt plugged in, if it is, it will give me an option ***: m0unds_ has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) -: mercutio just realised he never checked that his vm came back up mercutio: so of course it didn't hah
oh well god opportunity to upgrade it
good even, i had somehow renamed /bsd out of place milki: heh brycec: lol mercutio m0unds: lol ***: m0unds has quit IRC (Quit: derp)
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that made backups quicker than expected