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| mercutio | yeah
it feels late for me too | [00:03] |
| brycec | well THAT's annoying. VPN went down in the middle of upgrades
brycec waits... woo and I'm back in business | [00:11] |
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| up_the_irons | why did I pick 5am? I figured at 3am I might still be at the bar...
as simple as that... | [05:26] |
| mercutio | :) | [05:39] |
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| SpaceDump | ;> | [06:14] |
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| brycec | lol up_the_irons | [11:39] |
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| grody | ugh wtf did they do to freebsd 10.x | [14:47] |
| staticsafe | hm? | [14:48] |
| grody | its doing strange things.. just logged into it, and it seems to have killed my (solid working on 8.x) configuration for local mail transport | [14:49] |
| mercutio | you mean it needs updating for config?
or it's overwritten it? | [14:50] |
| grody | and was savaging cpu, load was upto 10 due to sendmails mailwrapper, which has been totally disabled, was trying to send localmail to a non existent address not in an updated aliases
nah it's a fresh install | [14:50] |
| mercutio | i dunnoi always use postfix | [14:51] |
| grody | aliases is set to send to a jail on a different loopback address, thats all working.. but for some reason it stopped using the mail aliases for root@127.0.2.1 and tried sending to 0.0.1
yea me too, but even with all sendmail disable flags on boot, it seemed to have cropped up | [14:52] |
| mercutio | weird | [14:52] |
| grody | 10.x on load.. never had a beastie that high | [14:52] |
| mercutio | i wouldn't rely on 127.0.2.1 working | [14:52] |
| grody | mercutio, normally no.. but it is the primary IP of a jail
the jail was still fully functional | [14:52] |
| mercutio | hmm | [14:53] |
| grody | it is bad practice, but i've found it work(ed)s | [14:53] |
| mercutio | hence why i said i wouldn't /rely/ on it working | [14:54] |
| grody | bloody changing what i love.. not fair | [14:54] |
| m0unds | haha | [14:54] |
| grody | there aren't too many wild exploits (at least none kernel/stack wise) on 8.2.. i may revert back | [14:54] |
| m0unds | over that? | [14:54] |
| grody | that and other sillies that i cant go into (more personal) | [14:55] |
| m0unds | i see | [14:55] |
| grody | i used to think freebsd was some kind of porn, and started using it the same time as linux (when 4.1 was latest release)
and since finding freebsd i used it religiously for all networking.. i got into a knot simply over the ipfw change to ipfw2 which meant rules needed to be written differently (i used to ♥ making ipfw rulesets), now pf is the "king" it's subtle little changes that hurt me like the obsoletion of ifconfig and route in linux | [14:55] |
| m0unds | i despise iptables | [14:57] |
| staticsafe | i much prefer the iproute2 syntax over the net-tools one | [14:57] |
| m0unds | i like pf and ipfw, and can use either interchangeably without much trouble | [14:58] |
| staticsafe | except for the netstat replacement | [14:58] |
| m0unds | i also like npf on netbsd a lot
but it's not as well documented as pf and ipfw | [14:58] |
| grody | i like iptables as i can easily direct per app / per user traffic transparently through a proxy or the like, i've had issues with ipfw.. pf i have a lot of fun with too
cant comment on netbsd.. only poked for a while a few years back, but never really used it i should what made me like iptables was a routerboard (routeros) once i saw how powerful it could be, i had to tinker | [14:58] |
| BryceBot | That's what she said!! | [14:59] |
| mercutio | what is the netstat replacement? | [15:01] |
| staticsafe | i use routeros at home, it works nicely
ss | [15:01] |
| mercutio | uhh
why's it so wide | [15:01] |
| staticsafe | yeah
its formatted terribly | [15:01] |
| grody | i still have an RB750.. but it's limited on bandwidth (can handle about 20mbps realisticly) | [15:02] |
| mercutio | the alignment to : is annoying too | [15:02] |
| grody | use it as the public wifi hotspot with a pfsense | [15:02] |
| mercutio | and it doesn't do dns lookups?
but it does do port lookups | [15:02] |
| grody | a replacement to netstat?
that too?? | [15:02] |
| mercutio | yeh it seems faster than netstat | [15:02] |
| grody | lsof is handy for such things, i use that a lot
but netstat i use a lot still | [15:03] |
| mercutio | but it's probably because it's not doing name lookups | [15:03] |
| staticsafe | mercutio: ss -r
it doesn't do resolving by default | [15:03] |
| mercutio | so ss -f inet -rn is a good way to run it | [15:03] |
| grody | i dont like that
even on a wide terminal | [15:03] |
| mercutio | i think it's becuase i'm using a wide terminal i don't like it?
it's like sendq has 16 bytes or something to it? the local address, peer address, sendq just have so much width oh it doesn't shorten dns lookups | [15:04] |
| grody | it's messy | [15:05] |
| mercutio | ec2-54-249-82-171.ap-northeast-1.compute.amazonaws.com:80
that's way too long :( | [15:06] |
| grody | ss -al = real 0m0.014s user 0m0.000s sys 0m0.015s
netstat -al = real 0m0.035s user 0m0.015s sys 0m0.003s | [15:07] |
| mercutio | both took 4 seconds for me | [15:07] |
| BryceBot | That's what she said!! | [15:07] |
| mercutio | ss -f inet -n 0.00s user 0.00s system 0% cpu 0.002 total
actually 2 now hmm | [15:08] |
| grody | im on a host with very few open sockets though | [15:08] |
| mercutio | netstat -tn 0.00s user 0.00s system 0% cpu 0.002 total
i nevre care about sockets when using netstat/ss | [15:08] |
| grody | 12/0/9 for ss -f inet -n | [15:09] |
| mercutio | i wonder why your user time is so high
| wc -l | [15:09] |
| grody | 4/4/0 on netstat -tn | [15:09] |
| mercutio | gives 83 | [15:09] |
| grody | laptop | [15:09] |
| mercutio | i7-4770 | [15:09] |
| grody | most likely ondemand (running at 600Mhz) | [15:10] |
| mercutio | 2 msec vs 15msec is high though | [15:10] |
| grody | phenom II N830 | [15:10] |
| mercutio | ahh | [15:10] |
| grody | yea im at 800Mhz
and shyte wifi | [15:10] |
| mercutio | yeh that memory bandwidth will be way lower | [15:10] |
| grody | nice for compiling stuff though | [15:10] |
| mercutio | really? | [15:11] |
| grody | just set it, forget it
yea it sits in the corner, dont really use it for anything more than compiling stuff on | [15:11] |
| mercutio | i was getting annoyed at my i3 being slow to compile | [15:11] |
| grody | think it's a 2.3GHz tri-core with 4GB RAM
so with a -j4 it goes pretty well | [15:11] |
| mercutio | i keep wanting to buy another cpu | [15:12] |
| grody | built AOSP from scratch for my xperia in 7 hours | [15:12] |
| mercutio | as i have one more motherboard than cpu
but new ones are coming out "soon" | [15:12] |
| grody | hehe i havent bought an upgrade @home for about a year now | [15:12] |
| mercutio | probably would be closer to 2 hours on i7 grody :) | [15:12] |
| grody | meh :P | [15:13] |
| mercutio | i don't even want an upgrade
i kind of wnated a cpu with vt-d though | [15:13] |
| staticsafe | i7-4770 here, probably don't need to upgrade for a while | [15:13] |
| grody | most computations i need to do can usually be offloaded into a GPU, and i do have a small E2200 with a K10 GPU that does the trick | [15:13] |
| mercutio | it's amazing how much faster i7-4770 is than i7-3770 for some linux stuff | [15:14] |
| grody | should think about buying something new, but in all honesty i dont really need something powerful | [15:14] |
| mercutio | grody: i5-4690k ?
i don't need anything that powerful either really, but i figured i really hate upgrading. and had to get non-k cpu for vt-d before | [15:14] |
| grody | between this laptop, that workbench with the K10 and a small 4U held out in a DC with dual Opterons 16 cores (yes, i know i wished i didn't go AMD) i have too much | [15:15] |
| mercutio | i keep meaning to upgrade ram | [15:16] |
| grody | but a small powerful PC for compilation/ccache/dictcc or the like would be nice | [15:16] |
| BryceBot | That's what she said!! | [15:16] |
| mercutio | i have ram to upgrade with
problem with small/powerful can be that it's noisier than larger computers | [15:16] |
| grody | my AMD chips all support hardware virtualisation, my lenovo netboot especially | [15:17] |
| mercutio | and if it's compiling etc it generates heat. | [15:17] |
| grody | only intel i have with it is the Baytrail Z Atom series in my tablet | [15:17] |
| mercutio | amd are doing new fsater cpus apparently
i'm not sure what they'll be like. i have one amd cpuu that i bought before, it's quad core, and it's slower than g3258 dual core for compiling even. | [15:17] |
| grody | i only went for the awe of AMD because they usually chuck in extra CPU features on "consumer" chips | [15:18] |
| mercutio | yeah at least it has something akin to vt-d | [15:18] |
| grody | fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt pdpe1gb rdtscp lm 3dnowext 3dnow constant_tsc rep_good nopl nonstop_tsc extd_apicid pni monitor cx16 popcnt lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm extapic cr8_legacy abm sse4a misalignsse 3dnowprefetch osvw ibs skinit wdt nodeid_msr hw_pstate npt lbrv svm_lock nrip_save vmmcall
thats this N830 svm and this laptop is an easy 3 years old now oh yea.. put windows 10 on my tablet now it's insider preview and has better tablet support than TP did it's a tad slower loading stuff, but im actually quite liking it plus it's made it easier for me to load linux too for some reason the 8.1 w/ bing, if i put an entry in that didn't exist each boot, i had to manually select the windows to boot (would never autoboot) in 10. it will just boot 10 if the pendrive for linux isnt plugged in, if it is, it will give me an option | [15:18] |
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| mercutio | mercutio just realised he never checked that his vm came back up
so of course it didn't hah | [19:02] |
| oh well god opportunity to upgrade it | [19:09] | |
| good even, i had somehow renamed /bsd out of place | [19:15] | |
| milki | heh | [19:18] |
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| brycec | lol mercutio | [20:27] |
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| m0unds | lol | [22:22] |
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| brycec | whee 250mbps upload to AWS (from ARP)
that made backups quicker than expected | [23:38] |
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