#arpnetworks 2015-05-14,Thu

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brycecAnyone else lose connectivity to kvr19 for a bit? [10:51]
RandalSchwartzdoes arp use qemu?
and if so, are we affected by Venom? 		[10:51]
brycecYes and yes [10:52]
RandalSchwartzI presume the guys in charge are on it?
I just got a notice from Elastichosts that I have to stop/start my box 		[10:52]
brycecYes up_the_irons is aware and said he'll be patching and rebooting VMs [10:53]
RandalSchwartzcool [10:53]
ok... one box down. :) [10:58]
brycecRandalSchwartz: Oh is up_the_irons already rebooting VM's? [10:58]
RandalSchwartzNo... this was at elastichosts
I wonder what digitalocean uses 		[10:59]
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m0undsthey released an advisory about it
some of their boxes weren't affected, the ones that were are being patched or something to that effect
https://www.digitalocean.com/company/blog/update-on-CVE-2015-3456/
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RandalSchwartzAhh, thanks [13:33]
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mercutiothere's actually no known exploit for this yet [15:45]
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RandalSchwartztrue [16:17]
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I wonder if the wosign "free" certs can be cracked by the chinese government [16:32]
mjp___as long as your dont share your private key :) [16:45]
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RandalSchwartzAhh... right. you don't give them everything to be you.
but I wonder if the cert chain might allow them to fake secure.example.com on the fly
like some deep-inspection hotspots I've been on 		[17:18]
BryceBotThat's what she said!! [17:19]
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mjp___your browser either trusts the CA or it doesnt, up to you
i'm sure all nations have some sort of backdoor/frontdoor into a root CA up their sleeves but would not use them much as it wouldnt be easily detectable
*would 		[17:51]
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RandalSchwartzwell .. this particular hotspot clearly intercepts https because all my mac apps bitch wildly
so I just fire up openvpn, and all done. :)
"deep inspect *this*, guys" 		[18:14]
BryceBotThat's what she said!! [18:15]
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grodycurious, looking over the messy arrangement of my virtual desktops and find a shell logged into my ARP.. that was initiated 16 days ago
i did wonder where that other user was, can get really annoying rebuilding a host
really should use tmux more 		[18:35]
RandalSchwartztmux rocks
will never return to screen
swore by screen 		[18:37]
grodyi only used to use screen because -U allowed UTF over a freebsd terminal.. but tmux seems to do it out of the box now [18:37]
RandalSchwartznow swear at screen [18:37]
mercutiohaha i always swore at screen :)
buit i still used it 		[18:38]
RandalSchwartzyeah I have Terminal.app -> ssh -> tmux -> emacs -> shell-mode
with a full utf-8 path 		[18:38]
mercutiohow do you verify utf? [18:38]
grody♥
what do you see? 		[18:39]
mercutiothat utf is working [18:39]
grody:) [18:39]
RandalSchwartz☺︎ [18:39]
mercutiolike is there some easy program to show utf characters. [18:39]
RandalSchwartzI see you have a heart on
in the mac, it's a "special characters... " usually under edit. 		[18:39]
grodytbh i haven't really tested other than via irssi and my stupid alias sets [18:40]
mercutiohttp://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ucs/examples/UTF-8-demo.txt [18:40]
grodybut some ncurses stuff uses utf and it goes all blocky [18:40]
mercutiohmm proverbs in the amharic language arne't showing for me
they're not showing in chrome either
????????????????????????
haha
ok this isn't working :) 		[18:40]
grodyff seems to work, but i am using ff on linsux
will check the fbsd...
that seems to work too
ahh, but i see more dominoes on the fbsd 		[18:42]
mercutiohmm it's cos LANG wasn't set [18:44]
grodythe new syscons on freebsd is meant to support utf out of the box too, it does work for the most part
it also lets me run the cli at native resolutions too, which is always nice
cons25 is a total no go without screen -U
hah.. nice.. ♥ those currency conversions
even with foreign currency fee, my ARP only cost me 13.04 last month :D
cheaper (by quite a bit in fact) than any EU provider for same specs (and no bs as standard)
even when i was reselling, i was being wholsaled at 13.99
<cheese> what i ♥ most is the fact i dont have to constanstly check up on my ARP</cheese>
on which note, i need a beer, bath & bed 		[18:45]
RandalSchwartza beer bath? [19:01]
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grodyi'd hop into one!
think i need to get a new boiler, this one is seriously paking the tiss 		[19:19]
RandalSchwartzboiler? [19:33]
mercutioi think it's some english thing
maybe coal burner? 		[19:33]
RandalSchwartzor hot water tank? [19:33]
mercutiooh
maybe :) 		[19:33]
m0undsyea, that's what i was thinking (hot water tank) [19:33]
mercutioi was thinking fire of some kind :) [19:34]
RandalSchwartzwell.. hot water tanks have fire [19:34]
mercutionot normally :)
it's usually electric
at least here 		[19:34]
m0undsgas is pretty common in the US [19:34]
RandalSchwartzI prefer gas [19:34]
m0undsnatural gas
yea, same here 		[19:34]
mercutiodoesn't gas cause explosions? [19:34]
RandalSchwartzit can [19:34]
mercutioi thought gas was bad because of the hurricances in the US? [19:34]
m0undsand electrical stuff can catch fire
pick your poison 		[19:34]
mercutiohurricanes even [19:35]
m0undsrealize that there's a whole lot of US not anywhere near hurricane territory [19:35]
RandalSchwartzno hurricanes outside south and east [19:35]
mercutiooh right
they do cover a lot of distance
but the size is quite big compared to what i'm used to :) 		[19:35]
m0undsyea, my state is approximately the same land area as new zealand [19:35]
mercutiothat's small
california is way bigger than new zealand 		[19:35]
m0undsit sure is
NM is the 5th largest in the US 		[19:36]
RandalSchwartzyeah - more of all of new england
california is bigger than middle earth 		[19:36]
mercutiowe've been getting little tornados here recently [19:36]
RandalSchwartztornadoes [19:37]
mercutiocalifornia is less than twice the size of new zealnd
wow
that surprised me :)
hmm and new zealand is bigger than florida
which is one of the places that doesn't have gas
so how does gas go in an earthquake?
oh there's special cut off valves apparently 		[19:37]
grodyhot water tank [19:39]
mercutiogrody: is it gas, or coal, or electric? [19:39]
grodyusually a gas boiler (inline heater), which im going to have installed
electric atm
it plays havock on the bill too, gas one would be much cheaper 		[19:39]
m0undsFL is weird [19:40]
mercutiowow, so russia apparently pipes hot water around the country [19:40]
m0undsthat's very russian
hahah 		[19:40]
mercutioand you can't control the temperature [19:40]
grodysounds odd, isn't it mostly cold there?#
eek 		[19:40]
mercutiom0unds: florida seems like the closest match to nz in some ways
because it's got water on both sides of the state
i think some of california does too?
buut not neearly as much of it 		[19:40]
m0undsumm, baha i guess
baja
baha. lol 		[19:41]
mercutiomore similar levels of wetness etc [19:41]
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brycecbaja isn't California though, that's part of Mexico.
(Sheesh does nobody learn their Mexican states? >.>)
<.< 		[20:14]
RandalSchwartzuh... not really
upper baja was in fact california
lower baja is the peninsula
the mexicans have good claim all the way up to san jose area 		[20:14]
brycecNo part of California has a major body of water on anywhere but the western border.
brycec is looking a map and everything 		[20:16]
RandalSchwartzthat's also true [20:16]
brycecCali stops at Tijuana. The whole baja is Mexico. [20:16]
RandalSchwartzno
baja norte extends to san jose 		[20:16]
brycecYou and I have different definitions of baja apparently [20:17]
RandalSchwartzI'm going based on the historical truths, before the mexicans were forced out [20:17]
brycecI'm going with *current* geographical boundaries. [20:17]
RandalSchwartzyeah - after we forced them [20:17]
brycecRandalSchwartz: http://www.map-of-mexico.co.uk/map-of-bajacalifornianorte.htm shows Baja Norte going only as far as Tijuana [20:18]
RandalSchwartzsure, that's what the revisionists will say
notice the .uk there
give me a url with .mx :) 		[20:18]
brycecRandalSchwartz: http://cachanilla69.blogspot.mx/2013/02/mexico-breve-historia-de-la-division_3.html [20:19]
RandalSchwartzheh... in spanish
now I have to translate. :) 		[20:24]
brycecYou live in California and you don't speak Spanish? Now that's really weird :P
(You did ask for a .mx) 		[20:25]
RandalSchwartzI do not live in california
I live in Oregon 		[20:25]
brycecoh my bad then
s/California/the USA 		[20:25]
BryceBot<brycec> You live in the USA and you don't speak Spanish? Now that's really weird :P [20:25]
RandalSchwartzand I'm slowly learning spanish
but not fast enough
RandalSchwartz relocates 		[20:25]
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upgrading freebsd 8.4 to 9.3 for $client [21:12]
milkihm...i need to upgrade too [21:18]
RandalSchwartzyeah 8.4 is EOLed next month
thankfully my client let me experiment with him
so then I can take mine forward sometime in the past next weeks
if tonight his main machine goes 8.4 to 9.3, I'll be confident of taking mine foward. 		[21:19]
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wooo... got pings after my reboot to the 9.3 kernel
I may be done ahead of schedule :) 		[21:54]
brycectwss [21:59]
BryceBotOkay! twss! 'I may be done ahead of schedule :)' [21:59]
RandalSchwartzyeah, everything just worked
just telling up_the_irons that he is not needed tonight 		[22:05]
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