#arpnetworks 2015-05-12,Tue

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up_the_ironsup_the_irons tries UBlock [02:44]
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mercutiowhat'd you think of it [03:51]
up_the_ironshaven't used it enough to notice a difference, but i bet it's faster [03:58]
mercutioit was very noticable for me
i've found chrome getting slower over time, and i thought it was just chrome
but it was adblock
[03:58]
up_the_ironsi have this problem of sometimes swap getting all eaten up and then disk crunch for MINUTES until i can kill a few chrome windows. if that doesn't happen anymore, i'll know it was adblock :) [03:59]
mercutioof course you have to disable the other adblock for it to be faster
ahh, yeh my chrome can use 16gb of ram
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up_the_ironsi just uninstalled adblock [03:59]
mercutioare you using a laptop? [03:59]
up_the_ironsyup [03:59]
mercutioso you're already maxing out the ram?
try ramzswap?
the web page suggests it was about 20% better than adblock for total memory usage.
apparently the extension memory usage isn't the only memory usage.
buut then it just means you can open 20% more web pages.
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up_the_ironslol yeah [04:01]
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mercutiohmm, apnic whois is broken [04:37]
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m0undsjesus
chrome adblock memory use via chrome task mgr on osx = 309MB following filter list update; ublock = 128MB
i wonder if that's accurate
CPU load is significantly lower too, almost 60%
(when loading a specific set of pages)
it defaults to subscribing to mdl, but that's sort of worthless so i removed it
mdl is supposed to be early lifecycle for malicious payloads, but it's usually delayed 24hrs or more, so most hosts have been dealt with by the time it hits the list
s/be/include
[07:09]
BryceBot<m0unds> mdl is supposed to include early lifecycle for malicious payloads, but it's usually delayed 24hrs or more, so most hosts have includeen dealt with by the time it hits the list [07:12]
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brycecI'm liking uBlock so far. Seems like it might be faster and such. I like its features better - showing number of blocked requests and a running request log that shows each request and what (if any) rule/pattern matched
brycec really likes having that
[07:50]
BryceBotThat's what she said!! [07:50]
m0undsyeah, it's pretty nice [07:55]
brycecchrome-extension://cjpalhdlnbpafiamejdnhcphjbkeiagm/logger-ui.html so shiny
(It's also pretty interesting to me to see what requests are being made behind the scenes, like the Chromecast extension chatting UPNP with other network devices)
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m0undssnazzy
chrome://net-internals/#events
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brycecYeah but that's just mad [08:03]
m0undsyeah, has everything [08:03]
brycecThat's a firehose view [08:03]
BryceBotThat's what she said!! [08:03]
m0undsyup [08:03]
brycecBryceBot: no [08:03]
BryceBotOh, okay... I'm sorry. 'That's a firehose view' [08:03]
m0undslol
that's sort of relevant, hahaha
handy for diagnosis though, esp if you know what you're looking for
i used it to debug a proxy bug in chromium that was causing ipv6 stuff die
causing ipv6 stuff to die*
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brycecfun fun [08:04]
m0undsi think it's still broken [08:05]
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mercutiom0unds: does mdl have false positives you mean?
or it's just redundant?
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mnathani__for the archlinux users : Am I doing something wrong? My mouse does not switch icons when hovering over links in Chrome and Chromium [15:37]
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brycecworks for me... [15:38]
BryceBotThat's what she said!! [15:38]
brycecNot sure what you /could/ be doing wrong necessarily
perhaps your wm isn't giving focus
[15:38]
mercutioi think that's probably a chrome or desktop issue rather than arch issue
"works for me" too
[15:38]
brycec(definitely not an "Arch issue") [15:38]
mnathani_same behaviour in kde and gnome
I am running arch in a virtualbox VM
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m0undsmercutio: false positives in a way - the list is supposed to be "early lifecycle" distribution sites, but they're delayed by many hours so stuff is usually mitigated well before it's listed [15:39]
mercutioahh maybe i should disable it [15:40]
m0undsso when it's listed, it's already been addressed by either the NOC where the box is hosted or by the hosting company or whatever [15:40]
mercutiooh there's not many [15:40]
brycecmnathani_: Using seamless mouse integration? [15:40]
m0undshttp://www.malwaredomainlist.com/mdl.php that's the actual list (warning, has bad stuff)
it's just not a very good source for building a blocklist for a browser
[15:41]
mercutiothis sort of stuff looks fine to keep on my list [15:42]
m0undsm0unds shrugs [15:42]
mercutioif it's hosted stuff like this recently i'm not too concerned [15:42]
m0undslike i said, when it's useful, it's not listed [15:42]
mercutiodo you really need to go to agsteier.com/BANK_STORAGE-DATA/new.payment-document.html [15:43]
m0undswhen it hits the list, it's usually already gone and so you're just wasting time/whatever having the list active in ublock or whatever [15:43]
mercutiohow much diff to performance doe sit make [15:43]
m0undsyou want it to have stuff that is currently a danger, not stuff that was dangerous a week ago [15:43]
mercutiotrue [15:43]
m0undsif you're using chrome (and i assume chromium ships with it too, but i could be wrong) the built-in URL and file reputation stuff is going to do a better job than mdl [15:44]
mercutiook
i love it how pages pause less randomly
it just seems so much smoother
[15:44]
m0undsyeah, after spending the day with it on my mac i've noticed a significant improvement [15:45]
mercutioi wonder if there's garbage collection or something happening with adblock plus [15:45]
m0undsit uses significantly less CPU per ad-heavy page, and much less RAM [15:45]
mercutioyeah i disabled adblock temp when i was having issues
adn i was surprised how much faster the net was
buut it's so unbelievably difficult to deal with ads these days
i always forget how bad it is
usually it's only on other peoples computers i notice lots of ads
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m0undsi was watching task manager in chrome when loading an ad-heavy site vs ublock, and it was crazy to compare the two [15:46]
mnathani_my browsing on windows using chrome has much better performance using uBlock origin [15:46]
mercutioand i wonder if they have a virus or something
but in the end it's just "the normal internet"
like "click here to buy", "you have won", "girls waiting for you"
blah blah
[15:46]
m0undsyeah
"YOU WON'T BELIEVE WHAT PEOPLE IN $your_geoip_location THINK ABOUT THIS CONTROVERSIAL WEBSITE"
[15:47]
mercutioyeah it gets my geoip location wrong though
well it's off by like 1000km
[15:47]
m0undsyeah, it thinks i'm in kansas
usually
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mercutioi think it's fununy when people think all of google servers are in mountain view [15:48]
m0undsyeah [15:48]
mercutioyeah mountain view is a good place to stick all of google servers.
do people have no idea how to link between "likely" / "unlikely"
[15:49]
m0undsa while ago, one of my less tech savvy friends posted some thing about the nginx virus infecting peoples' computers (reposted from someone else) [15:49]
mercutiohahahha [15:49]
m0undsbecause they kept seeing nginx errors on popular sites [15:49]
mercutiosay what
nginx has 95% of the spdy market
[15:49]
m0undsexactly, lol [15:49]
mercutiothat figure surprised me uuntil i tired to figure out how to do spdy with apache
it's one word to enable spdy if you have the right nginx package.
and there's newer versions of nginx available for ubuntu etc
from nginx itself as an apt rep
[15:50]
m0undsyeah, lots of options to install it too
yeah
[15:50]
mercutioyeah on arch i'm using some weird nginx version
well on one server
hmm it's 1.8
[15:51]
m0undsnginx version: nginx/1.8.0
built with OpenSSL 1.0.1l-freebsd 15 Jan 2015
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mercutioi've been having a problem with nginx at home thouugh [15:51]
m0undsTLS SNI support enabled
that's what i'm on
[15:51]
mercutiobuilt with OpenSSL 1.0.2a 19 Mar 2015
you have old openssl :)
ubuntu justu released tls 1.2 support for precise.
[15:51]
m0undsalthough i thought i'd just updated nginx [15:52]
brycec$ openssl version [15:52]
mercutioyeah i have 1.8.0 too [15:52]
brycecLibreSSL 2.1
:P
[15:52]
mercutiohaha [15:52]
m0undsoh, 1.8.0_1,2 [15:52]
mercutiothat's what my openbsd box says too brycec :) [15:53]
brycecGood :) [15:53]
mercutioopenbsd has stable nginx version though
but yeah i'v ebeen having this issue with sendfile on nginx
i get random 200 msec delays.
it's fine with lighttpd.
but if i disable sendfile the performance is much lower than lighttpd
but 9/10 times there seems to be an extra 200msec delay.
that's testing to localhost
i was playing with nopush on/off, and read some stuff, and was still confused.
but now i'm wondering if that hits aeny other sites? or if it's to do with me testing to localhost.
has anyone heard of zorin os?
i don't know how people find these weird linux distribuutions
[15:53]
phluxrebecca black linux
justin bieber linux
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mercutiohttp://biebian.sourceforge.net/
hahahaha
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up_the_ironsnext person to mention Bieber Linux gets kline'd
up_the_irons became a 13 year old script kiddie for a second...
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staticsafelol [18:16]
mercutiohaha
well it is a joke
[18:20]
brycecBut up_the_irons doesn't have permissions to kline...
(ie. not an ircop)
[18:23]
mercutioheh
even if he did i don't think freenode would like people doing such things.
[18:24]
up_the_ironswho said i'd do it myself... [18:24]
brycectouche [18:24]
mercutiothere's something really lame about going to data centres to replace hard-drives. [18:25]
up_the_ironsi must thank toeshred all the time for doing that for me ;) [18:26]
mercutioheh.
up_the_irons: it doesn't feel so bad if you're actually doing something :)
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up_the_irons:) [18:27]
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