@weather -v yyz
Toronto-Pearson International, Ontario: Overcast ☁ 61°F (16°C), Humidity: 52%, Wind: From the SE at 8 MPH, Pressure: 30.29inHg (1026mb) and falling, Dewpoint: 43°F (6°C), Visibility: 15Mi (24km), UV index: 2, Sunrise 06:05, Sunset: 20:25, Lunar phase: Full moon
Tuesday: Partly Cloudy 61°F/48°F (16°C/9°C)  |  Wednesday: Partly Cloudy 71°F/50°F (22°C/10°C)  |  Thursday: Partly Cloudy 76°F/56°F (24°C/13°C)  |  Friday: Clear 84°F/61°F (29°C/16°C)
The average high for this date is 61°F (16°C), and the record of 82°F (27°C) was set in 2000. The average low is 44°F (6°C), and the record of 26°F (-3°C) was set in 2002
hmm.. anyone else tinkering with windows 10TP?
mine is now undergoing some kind of reinstall/upgrade
@weather sou
Southampton International, United Kingdom: Mostly Cloudy ☁ 52°F (11°C), Humidity: 76%, Wind: From the SW at 20 MPH Gusting to 33 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=50.94987869,-1.35853004 or re-request this with: @weather -v sou
neat
grody: i've got windows 10tp
grody: are you on slow path?
the updates take forever.
it does this hge reinstall thing that takes over 20 minutes
i've got a black screen, white text, blue disc with a percentile mark.. telling me it's installing windows
it didn't even look like this installing TP
http://imgur.com/EjXenwU
yea, it's doing a release upgrade
ahh.. just as i was about to try testing some android devel apps on it
people are shitting on 8.x as it seems some of the stuff doesn't work.. i thought what the hell
on 8.x what?
windows
which stuff doesn't work? dev-related?
i cant get my sony semc to work in 8.1 but had flashtool working in 10, but fastboot wouldn't work
oh
i have the sdk on my win8 box and it works fine
driver related issues i think
yeah, sounds like it
not w/a sony device in my case though
im starting to dislike sony fast
although less than samsung
but the drivers for my phone were acquired via windows update without me doing anything
i wish they'd step up their mobile imaging game
they're supposed to be removing some of the "barriers" that existed bw mobile and camera software engineering
so i hope that means they get some of the algorithms in their cameras ported to mobile cameras
yea some devices seem ok with it, but these sonys have a special flash mode outside of adb/fastboot
that's weird
is it like the ODIN stuff for samsung devices?
S1 flash protocol or something
where you have to bootstrap your device flashing with some middleware thing
yea
lame
however ODIN dies if you dd the entire internal emmc
this S1 mode you can still flash firmware back to it if you were stupid enough to do that
seems the samsungs store EVERYTHING on the emmc, wipe it and it wont even power up anymore
not sure wtf the sonys do, but did it for wth (was a dead device anyway) and was still able to bring it into that mode :/
               was a new windows 10 tp released?
or insider preview as it is now called
mnathani_: it changed names.
i can't remember to what
ok windows 10 pro insider preview build 10074 is what i have
yea, from technical preview to insider preview (which is what the name always was for mobile)
three days in a row w/heavy thunderstorms. weird weather for here.
sounds exciting
@weather akl
Auckland International, New Zealand: Scattered Clouds 70°F (21°C), Humidity: 68%, Wind: From the North at 15 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=-37.00805664,174.79167175 or re-request this with: @weather -v akl
our typical summer weather is thunderstorms most afternoons
such boring weather here.
but we usually just have really heavy wind in the spring
wind is boring :(
i much prefer thunderstorms.
i like it when it's kind of warm and stormy
like a nice pleasant thuunderstorm with lots  of exciting lightening
yea, the wind we get is usually pretty annoying
where the air can feel electric :)
wind can be kind of draining
spring and late fall are the worst here
apparently it's sub-tropical here now, so we don't have 4 seasons.
~105km/h those times of year
ouuch
is that gust?
nah, sustained, especially in winter
late fall winter
damn that sucks
it sucks
above 60k starts getting annoying i reckon
blows shingles of roofs like crazy
yeah
i can handle it to that point
mercutio: are you running in a VM or on physical Hardware?
one year, it lifted an improperly installed radio rig off a verizon wireless tower
threw it on the ground
mnathani_: running what?
windows 10
physical
i7-3770, 32gb ram, samsung 850 pro 256gb
it still runs out of memory, bloody windows and it's memory leaks.
any performance boost compared to Win 8?
well i went from windows 2008
and it boots quicker than windows 2008
performance wise minor things like opening up directories in explorer seems faster.
win8 boots pretty fast
i think my power on to desktop is like 15 seconds
both 2k8 and 10 are on uefi
with ssd
boot speed isn't really the biggest issue with windows these days
it's still got the bloody annoying "locking up" of the uuser interface
i had to diagnose a slow boot issue, turned out teamviewer was adding almost 50 seconds to boot time
that os/2 had :/
i don't really notice any ui lock-ups
it's really noticable when you use synergy
like explorer hanging?
as you're typing and it sticks down on a key
i don't think i've ever seen that in normal use
like the whole os locking as you start a 3d application
but i don't use synergy
like chrome slowing the whole system to a crawl.
my windows pc is almost explicitly used for 3d stuff
like swapping between 3d app and back to windowis taking forever
games and whatnot
i dunno i seem to like to hit issues :/
chrome i have to restart all of the time
chrome is getting to be more and more of a POS
my "low" memory usage is like 6gb
you might try some of the chromium builds instead of mainline chrome
right now i'm using 204.gb?
i found they were annoying in other ways, but i had fewer perf issues
i dunno how to read it
http://chromium.woolyss.com/
this dude builds chromium for windows, but last time i checked, it's incapable of automatically updating
https://weallsee.net/winmem.png
jeez, what do you have running?
chrome
that's it? really?
oh skype too
skype is using up 200mb of ram
yeah there's a few windows open in chrome
have you looked at the details tab or whatever it is in taskmgr?
Google Chrome 43.0.2357.45
you can add additional columns w/cached vs in use vs committed memory use
13,540,388k     54,233k 13,594,621k     16,401,432 k    9,800,920 k
the first is private
the fourth is virtual memory private
yeah chrome is such an insane memory hog
i stopped using firefox years ago because of that
often saw it referred to as fatfox
what do you recommend?
i use chrome, but i'm not a huge fan
i mean i upgraded from 16gb of ram to 32gb
because i was running out of memory..
like i mentioned, i tried the chromium builds and those had other issues like flash not working sometimes
since they don't include pepperflash
this is on windows though
and sometimes other little quirks, as they're built on more recent code than the stable chrome stuff
yeah
on linux i've started to usue firefox
that link i sent is builds for windows and osx
because chrome seems to keep breaking pages
http://chromium.woolyss.com/
scroll down a little
i buuilt chrome from source once
oh, looks like he started including flash and html av
nice
i like the cloud sync stuff
http://chromium.woolyss.com/#features
it's reall handy for going to things quickly on my cellphone
yeah
that's the only reason i still use chrome
that and auto updates
haha
although pushbullet can make it a little easier, you have to actively push links instead of just "having" them there
the auto updates doesn't delete old versions
so it gets more and more bloaty
oh, yeah
i really want some kind of sync stuff that isn't google
xmarks sucks
but i am not going to develop it myself
i just don't have the ressources to
but it's getting silly being tied  into google infrastructure
yep
and someone should do open soruce versions of core android apps
google stopped maintaing a lot of AOSP stuff
which is why the "open source" argument wrt android is amusing to me
it's getting more and more closed each release
you get lower SDK API levels with full open source builds because a lot of the newer stuff is included w/google play svcs
i don't like arstechnica too much, but there was an article they posted last year or the year before about how android keeps getting more and more closed each release and how google is slowly abandoning maintenance of AOSP apps because they provide closed source alternatives on most android powered devices
sigh
i acutally want to see development to move towards c, objective-c, d, or something
That's what she said!!
this java crap gets in the way
i've noticed people are getting more and more keen on javscript over time
i used to use links in linux to use less memory
it's really hard navigating now days in links
but something more basic seems like a good idea :)
like if 8gb is enough for web browsing easily that'd be a good goal.
if a test web page took up only 64mb of ram etc.
ok so wikipedia main page takes up 83mb of ram
wow spartan takes uup 23.2mb of process ram for just showing that page
oh ther's another process using 74.4mb
so yeh
it's insane
i think facebook uses about half a gig
i don't really care about memory use that much
i didn't for ages.
it's just that you can't uupgrade desktops to more than 32gb.
right
and it's kind of stupid when chrome will take ilke half of that memory
also it gets slow
this is making me want to fire up my PC and look
and accessing a large amount of memory tends to use up more cpu too
because i'm pretty sure i rarely break 12-16GB total w/normal use
server stuff isn't as bad as desktop stuff these days
chromium has heaps of proceses so it's harder
also things like the spdy indicator icon use 18mb of ram
I am running 24 GB on my Windows box
24gb is probably fine
and keep running into low memory
lots of chrome tabs
and vms
32gb isn't really a lot better than 16gb.
it juust delays the amount of time betwween it running out of ram
ahh i'm not doing any vm's.
are memory leaks hard to fix?
by the vendors
tbh, i only stuck the ram in here because windows was rnuning out of ram and saying it had to shut down something
it depends, in code like chrome probably yes.
chrome is still way faster than IE or Opera or Firefox
FWIW, workstation boards support up to 64 or 128GB of RAM
socket 2011
uusually when its' hard is if you have multiple things accesing something, and it doesn't get rid of it when it's no longer needed
firefox used to lock up when web pages were buusy
at least chrome's lockups don't have as much impact
it has a single thread for rendering and loading iirc
it only containerizes plugins
there's been some ongoing effort to make it a multiprocess browser so it'll have dedicated ui and rendering threads so it doesn't hang up
chrome uses different processes for each tab, correct?
but that's been ongoing since like 2008
haha
yep
so does IE
the thing is, i do notice that people often have slow chrome issuues with <= 8gb ram
IE has since before chrome was released
and not everyone knows that ram is cheap and you can juust get another 16gb.
and some desktop boards only have two slots.
are you guys browsing a lot of video based sites?
mnathani: evrey site has videos now
they juust pause them sometimes
nah
like news sites all have videos
facebook has videos
etc
i use ghostery to suppress stuff on news sites
and suppress things like discus (don't care about comments) and livefyre
the local news site here has these auto play in 5 second videos
you have to click don't play
it's bloody annoying
ghostery typically just blocks those players from loading
because it doesn't rmeember don't play for future videos
shows a placeholder that lets you load it if you want it
ahh
the thing is every pluugin slows chrome down too :/
i configure it to block everything and whitelist stuff i know i want like spotify's embeddable player, or soundcloud
well, it's sort of a tradeoff
i'd rather not be bothered w/idiots' comments on every article or autoplay videos everywhere
and only see that stuff when i want to
and the trade off is that it's another plugin but it also loads less shit on every site
heh
https://www.ghostery.com/en/ i like it quite a lot
fwiw i restarted my browser after seeing such high memory use
have you tried opera since they rebased on chromium?
yeah it was terrible
it may be better now
i used to use opera a lot back when they were working on kraken and presto
i didn't like that i couldn't tell it to use a custom search engine
hmm wehre's update
it just wanted me to use google, bing, ask or yahoo
i can hardly read the version
and it won't scale it
That's what she said!!
1.0.94.2
first snapshot feb
ok
i need a newer version
`i think i had it on my macbook but reinstalled fresh w/mavericks because of an issue with upgrading causing stuttering
(that's the machine i'm on now)
they're up to tp3
oh and about:version text got bigger but you still can't scale it :)
ok it's ugly and slow
lol
i liked how opera was fast
now it seems to do this weird thing with red to blue
like you're not loading a page and it's read and it's loaded and it's boue?
blue?
and it seems pretty intrusive
not sure about these new theme
i loved opera
was first proper tabbed browser long before others picked up on that
they switched the engine from their own to webkit/mozilla one iirc
then it it went crap
yeah
their engine seeme dfine
i do still have an older ASA opera i use for general browsing... nice and fast
it's mobile browsers atm im uffing about.. dolphin is by far the fastest, but it does weird things on android.. but tampermonkey support makes me like it more
all the others have this major hang loading/rendering certain pages, even on high end devices which reminds me of myspace/gif laden blog days
yea, the old engine was presto and kraken for jscript iirc
was faster than anything at the time they introduced it
i think it was just too much work to keep at it
webkit is "good enough"
and little return too
yep
also no plugins or anything
i imagine that was a bear for them; hard to get folks to use a browser when you have no extensions
opera had a torrent client built in too.. was good enough for most things.. java did work if you poked and flash worked..
i remember when they rolled out initial support for stuff before they switched to webkit, it was a mess
lastpass barely work
mail client too
at the time that was more than enough
yeah, i liked it a lot
used it for years
loved being able to make custom keyboard shortcuts
no memory savaging (compared to most)
leave it open for days and still be responsive
yea, smooth scrolling almost as good as IE too
see, it's all these fracking script kiddies that have forced the hand of severe security measures that are breaking things
scrolling is a huge peeve of mine these days
it used to really bug me with onboard video on cheap pc's years back.
being choppy and slow
but hardware acceleration fixed most of that
and now some things are still slow :/
this laptop is weird... i sent that to another channel and it landed up partly here and in another terminal :/
not sure what is going on with web browsers atm
i think the general problem with scrolling on web pages is thaet it's synced to page loading
so if it hasn't got the page content figured out lower down the page it can't scroll at a consistent smooth rate down the page
and i'd rather it focused on the scrolling before the content, and gave a smoother experience.
have you ever used Vine?
don't think so
what's that
that is epic smooth and the video content seems to load instantly
did you ever use dos?
https://vine.co/
people figured out how to do smooth scrolling on dos
sadly
with tapping the harwdare
there were these cool "text viewers" etc
afaik they just hacked the character set
they could do it in text mode.
i used to be bugged with slow scrolling.. i still see it on linux/bsd sometimes on slow outputs
yea
safari and whatever current version of IE is on win8 have the nicest scrolling i've seen
if i 'ls -R /' on this terminal, it outputs at what seems stupid fast... but if i drop to native console (alt+fn1) it has a hanging to the scroll
google is supposedly looking to replicate the same method IE uses in chrome at some point
i do quite like IE on this TP/IP
have you tried out the dev tools in it?
profiling and whatnot?
never used to be a fan of it, but for quite browsing and hitting up random links it copes well
probably uses the same key - f12 to launch it
nope.. curious
not sure if it's implemented in edge yet
oh crap wth at that start menu
its like they are taking "subtle" ideas from Unity
my new idiot neighbors got a car alarm installed and they let it go off 30-60 seconds every time they try to get in their car
That's what she said!!
every day, 4-5 times a day
it's annoying as shit
haha
be funny if someone nicked it and it never went off at all
yeah
or if someone snagged the car and no one noticed because they let the alarm go of all the time
haha
just driving down the road w/the alarm going off like GTA
hahahaha
i still want my terminal to not flicker when scrolling
actually linux has vsync issues in general.
haha, i'd argue more than just vsync issues
heh
i was looking at urxvt code a while back
on some terminals i've seen the scrolling cause tearing in the window
this new async X stuff, i didn't find much documentation for it
i finally gave up my arch install - my experiment was installing it and updating it when i used it, and if it ever broke to the point that i'd have to do something out of the ordinary to fix it, i'd kill it
it's not chronically bad, it's just niggly bad.
m0unds: what happened?
(i'd check update notes on their mailing list or board to see if i had to do anything special, and i would do it if that was the case, otherwise i'd just blindly take updates)
it failed to boot after the last update round i did a month ago
lasted 18 mos before i hosed it to needing to actually work to get anything running
weird.
i've been running it over that time and i've been fine.
yea, didn't care enough to figure it out, that was the experiment
only occasionally used it (like, maybe once a month if that)
i had that with arch before.. they change quite a few things and boom
i used to do it with fedora, but fedora routinely broke so it wasn't fun
arch was fun because i actually like it
and i'm not a huge fan of linux desktops
by any stretch
im very careful about what im doing with this one atm.. until i get my arp back up properly its a small effort hanging on a hinge
but it worked and as long as i always checked their stuff for special cases, it was fine
ahh you used it as a desktop.. im running this headless
i ran arch on a server for over a year for personal stuff
my desktop doesn't look much different to how it looked 15 years ago
it was great, didn't have any issues whatsoever (so long as i remembered to check before updating..haha)
this is meant to be my personal file/media server for the home network, but when i fubar the vps up, i had to make a fast and rapid switch
the provider i had the VM on were dicks about an issue i found w/their image, mainly that they didn't take the image before signing the keys for updates
so you'd get errors and shit when you tried to run pacman
well mayhbe 14.
also building enough entropy on xen to generate keys sucked, but that was the case w/netbsd on xen too
m0unds: what do you mean?
pacman-init was run before you installed
didn't take the image before signing the keys?
so you'd get errors w/stuff not lining up
so you'd have to nuke it and start over and run pacman-key and whatnot
or whatever the command is
is there something special you have to do?
hmm
on a fresh install, there's a command to pull down the keys and verify sigs
before allowing install of updates
they did that part of it, but you got your own set of keys w/the vm
so the signing key was different than what was used to sign the stuff on the img
oh
so it would freak out that there was an inconsistency
because your vm's key was different than the signing key
i hate most distribuuution templates with vm's.
but linode (i'll say it) were not very nice when i pointed it out
and blamed me for it
but quitely fixed it on the next go-around
the popuular free ones around install sendmail on ubuntu :/
s/quitely/quietly
<m0unds> but quietly fixed it on the next go-around
i'm doing an arch template for arp
there are a couple of issues
cool
i really should get back to it.
i hate that, i want the ability to manually install from an unfettled iso
it's just ipv6 and setting the passwords properly.
yeah, that's why i'm back with arp. just wanted to burn my $100someodd in credit w/linode
hehe
i haven't done ipv6 with arp yet, it shouldn't be too complicated.
err ipv6 with arch
i can't get used to ip addr stuff
i'm so used to ifconfig
im just utilizing the standard /64 atm.. no need for more on mine
haha
i like the new ip stuff
i used my old arp vm to provide ipv6 via tunnel before comcast rolled out native stuff
i do want to expand this though and put a pfsense vm in front of the fbsd one
but i hate ip's documentation
and some things are confusing
yea ip is weird
so i had the /48 and split it off into a few chunks for my home network
but now that i have native i don't need the extra addresses so i just roll w/the /64
yeah it's cool that arp do /64
yeah, and not w/dhcp
solusvm gives out individual ip's.
or weird kludgy shit
or that
god
hehe
solus is awful
hahaha
m0unds: it's the standard
but yes it's awful.
i had a vm get wiped w/a provider who got hit w/the solus security "zero day" bug a couple years ago
once uupon a time i thought it'd be a cool idea to try doing something like solusvm that didn't suck
but then i woke up and realised it'd just be a huge pita.
someone gained access to host boxes and killed a bunch of vms
and you'd have to deal with idiots that all want to run their own virtualisation providers :/
i just said screw it and terminated my acct and deployed my backups to arp
yeah the problem with arp is it's only in one location :(
so if you want to get vm's in other locations you have to use someone else :(
the control panel etc is all fine by me.
i like LA, it's close network-wise to me (was great when i tunneled ipv6, added no appreciable amount of latency)
i mean there's room for improvement, but it doesn't annoy me.
i dunno i have fvm's for network testing partially
so having in different locations is handy
i do nothing fun w/this vm, it's just personal site stuff, irc and teamspeak
anyone into minecraft?
used to be
ran a server for friends for a couple years
i used to play openttd :/
and ran a server.
did you ever pay to play?
how do you mean?
i never got the point of minecraft.
building stuff
we built a bacon machine under someone's house
lava + pig spawner + glass enclosure
it squeals every 10 seconds
That's what she said!!
built a big rail system. you could hop in a minecart and ride it from house to house
occasionally creepers would blow up a track section and you'd ride it into a pit and either drown or just fall out
heh
staticsafe: how's the euro truck biz? ;)
i keep hearing that's a fun sim
its going well, there is a new expansion coming out on the 7th, adds Scandinavian countries
sweet
set up one of my BGP sessions, waiting on them to export my prefixes as well
http://pastie.org/private/sofrlgwv62tcfcxftv2haa
and give me an actual feed lol
is your ASN 16 or 32 bit?
32
cool
eurotruck looks fun, but i don't think i need another sim for now
watched a couple videos of it, then remembered i have 4 flight sims, two driving sims and a train sim on my pc right now
lol
I very rarely reboot to Windows to play games, but ETS2 is one of my fav sims, great for kicking back and relaxying
x-plane, fsx and dcs are probably most most regularly used sims though. i love me some planes.
that's why i bought train simulator whatever it is, years ago
I play KSP and SE most often. I enjoy relaxing and goofing off.
ksp is so fun
(Space Engineers is not unlike Minecraft in many respects, but in spaaaace)
i need to try it again - some version of unity they rolled up to caused some annoying ticking in my headphones that annoyed me
(It's all just "playing with legs" to me)
yeah, i like space engineers too
*legos
some of the folks who post on the SE subreddit do crazy shit i would never have thought of
one guy built a self-replicating ship
wish i could remember what he titled it; i guess it crashed the server he was on
http://imgur.com/a/ATORJ here's an example, but not the one i'm thinking of
haha
Yeah I've tried to do similar but never quite successfully
I'm not seeing /dev/gpt/swap0, but when I installed root-on-ZFS, it said to do that.
gpart shows type freebsd-sqap
freebsd-swap
so why doesn't /dev/gpt/swap0 show up?
ahh... gpart show -l ad0 says boot0, (null), root0
I must've messed up on building
can I change that after the fact?
gpart modify -i 2 -l swap0 ad0 seems to have done it
now for a quick reboot.
mercutio: solus does v6 ranges now
:)
nite; how long did that take them?
do they dole out single /128?
I think virtuozzo does that
nah usually like 8 /128s
does solus use kvm?
it can i think
how far along are you with the arch template?
i've been sick :(
going to do ubuntu, debian, openbsd first.
but it's nearly there, plus some checking
how do you deal with different disk sizes at the time of order?
or do you make a template for each disk size
for linux the file system gets resized.
yeh it's a pita for bsd.