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mercutio | so apparently nginx is bigger than iis these days.
it's the most popuular server for top 10,000 web sites, but even overall it's second behind apache | [17:40] |
NiTeMaRe | litespeed :) | [17:41] |
mercutio | yeah litespeed is pnuy
2.2% litespeed, 13.2% iis, 23.9% nginx, 57.7% apache for all sitges | [17:42] |
NiTeMaRe | i use litespeed for all of my production cpanel servers and love it | [17:49] |
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mercutio | does it do htaccess
i'm not a fan of capnel ahh it does yheah i dunno why litespeed never took off not being open source and costing money put me off | [18:10] |
m0unds | yea, that's probably a big reason
that and they license by cpu core (at least they used to) | [18:11] |
mercutio | eww | [18:11] |
m0unds | if i'm thinking of the right thing
and they had license levels for vps vs dedi vs host | [18:11] |
mercutio | apache trafficserver seems to be ahead of othe people with http2 support.
cpanel is like that too m0unds | [18:11] |
m0unds | https://store.litespeedtech.com/store/cart.php?gid=1 | [18:12] |
mercutio | nginx not supporting htaccess makes it complicated for shared hosting. | [18:12] |
m0unds | 1 core, 2GB RAM limit, 500gb concurrent connections, $249 | [18:12] |
mercutio | screw that | [18:12] |
m0unds | but hey, at least it still supports uml
:) | [18:13] |
mercutio | hangon is that one core for the webserver? | [18:13] |
m0unds | yes | [18:13] |
mercutio | so not php etc. | [18:13] |
m0unds | not sure how that would work
but license renewals are $50/yr after the first yr | [18:14] |
mercutio | Standard Edition: Free. Meets the needs of small websites. Automatically reads and uses Apache configurations, but has a limit of 150 concurrent connections and up to 5 Apache vhost.s
OpenLiteSpeed: Open source and free. Powerful enough for any website, but does not automatically read and use Apache configurations. Easy to configure (understands Apache mod_rewrite syntax), but requires that you configure it on your own. that doesn't seem so bad. i reckon large sites should use nginx or small sites. | [18:14] |
m0unds | i just use nginx because i don't need htaccess | [18:15] |
mercutio | and shared hosting should use apache
yeh actually it's just shared hosting that really wants htaccess do you like nginx m0unds ? | [18:15] |
m0unds | yup
been using it for 4-5 yrs | [18:16] |
mercutio | ahh ok
did you ever try lighttpd? | [18:16] |
m0unds | i like the cfg syntax, reminds me of junos
used lighttpd years ago | [18:16] |
mercutio | oh yip
what about boa and thttpd? | [18:16] |
NiTeMaRe | there is openlitespeed too
but it doesn't support as much and there is a closed source free version but ditto | [18:17] |
m0unds | used thttpd for handling cgi before, but haven't used it as a web server | [18:17] |
mercutio | NiTeMaRe: why did you switch?
there used to be all these benchmarks going around about static performance of web servers | [18:17] |
m0unds | i used to feed smokeping through thttpd w/nginx on the front end | [18:18] |
mercutio | when it's php that's usually the slowest part. | [18:18] |
m0unds | yeah | [18:18] |
NiTeMaRe | mercutio: i was having issues with a couple large sites and load with apache and nginx didn't have that great of integration + the htaccess thing | [18:18] |
mercutio | NiTeMaRe: and it fixed it up? | [18:18] |
NiTeMaRe | yes by far | [18:18] |
m0unds | i've heard/read that lightspeed is much faster than apache 2.x
2.2* | [18:18] |
NiTeMaRe | it is way faster | [18:18] |
m0unds | .x
i don't remember seeing it compared to 2.3 though | [18:18] |
mercutio | m0unds: yeh i remember it was fsater than apache 1.3
and apache 2 was slower than apache 1.3 wasn't it? | [18:19] |
m0unds | err, 2.4
rather | [18:19] |
mercutio | has apache sped up?
it still takes lots of memory | [18:19] |
m0unds | yea, new apache has a threaded model like nginx
sort of | [18:19] |
mercutio | using php cgi on apache reduces memor yusage a lot | [18:19] |
m0unds | still not as fast though | [18:19] |
mercutio | but then you have the overhead of calling php
so you can use thinkgs like php-fpm | [18:19] |
m0unds | yea | [18:19] |
mercutio | it gets complicated quick though | [18:20] |
NiTeMaRe | it handles http-based ddos well too
http://www.litespeedtech.com/products/litespeed-web-server/editions there is a comparison chart for each of the versions | [18:20] |
mercutio | ahh so you need enterprise for your cpanel | [18:21] |
NiTeMaRe | lsws standard is free along with (obviously) openls
yes | [18:21] |
mercutio | http://www.litespeedtech.com/products/anti-ddos-proxy-service
interesting | [18:23] |
NiTeMaRe | ya i've considered trying that but i'm a cloudflare partner anyways
railgun works pretty nicely | [18:24] |
mercutio | how much does that cost NiTeMaRe ? | [18:24] |
m0unds | yuck, whcms
or whatever it is haha | [18:24] |
NiTeMaRe | which, cloudflare? | [18:24] |
mercutio | yeh paterner
err partner | [18:25] |
NiTeMaRe | to become a partner is free as long as you have a legit hosting site etc | [18:25] |
mercutio | ahh ok | [18:25] |
NiTeMaRe | you use cpanel at all for customers? | [18:25] |
mercutio | then you can add people to it easily/quickly?
nah i know someone else who uses cpanel though | [18:25] |
NiTeMaRe | well they have a cpanel module and interworx module
it is all point n click | [18:25] |
mercutio | ahh so it's all automatic? | [18:26] |
NiTeMaRe | yup | [18:26] |
mercutio | even with dns control etc? | [18:26] |
m0unds | does it just hook into cloudflare's API or something? | [18:26] |
mercutio | cloudflare's dns config is ick
my main complaint about cloudflare is you can't just cname to their server | [18:26] |
NiTeMaRe | yup although if you are using it for ddos you are better off changing nameservers over to cloudflare but it is reallyg good just for optimization | [18:26] |
mercutio | you have to use them for your whole domain, and their dns is icky to work with | [18:27] |
NiTeMaRe | ya thats where you have to change nameservers over
but if you don't have ddos issues and you just want to use them for CDN purposes they work great | [18:27] |
mercutio | i'd rather be able to do static.domain.name | [18:27] |
NiTeMaRe | i should try out litespeeds service one day for sure | [18:28] |
mercutio | i couldn't find a way to make it work with static.domain.name at all.
i suuppose you could do another domain for static content. it just seems silly to have to do another domain rather than sub doamin | [18:28] |
NiTeMaRe | well for partners it forwards example.com > www.example.com > cname to cf | [18:28] |
mercutio | for partners it does cname to cf?
what's the cname look like? | [18:29] |
NiTeMaRe | so thats how it does everything automatic for partners but if you are getting ddosed, ip can be found via dns example.com
let me pull a example site sec | [18:29] |
mercutio | they seem to have improved it slightly
now you can import bind type zone things | [18:31] |
NiTeMaRe | idk if you got my pm or not but it is a htaccess forward from example.com to www.example.com then a cname from www.example.com to www.example.com.cdn.cloudflare.com
cloudflare.net even | [18:40] |
mercutio | ahh example.com.cdn.cloudflare.net | [18:40] |
NiTeMaRe | ya | [18:40] |
mercutio | so can a normal user just cname there
i suppsoe they can | [18:40] |
NiTeMaRe | more then likely | [18:41] |
mercutio | weallsee.net.cdn.cloudflare.net has address 104.28.6.126
weallsee.net has address 104.28.6.126 yip sweet thanks :) although doing it that way doesn't give ipv6 results dunno why probably doesn't matter | [18:41] |
NiTeMaRe | there is a way to toggle it in there panel
www.discuss.ninja now shows it | [18:47] |
mercutio | ahh
https isn't working either :) | [18:53] |
NiTeMaRe | they give free ssl certs for https | [18:54] |
mercutio | i know
it's worked before | [18:55] |
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i can't get this damn https to go | [19:40] | |
now cloudflare isn't loading :(
curl -v https://www.cloudflare.com/a/login/ that just hangs | [19:45] | |
mnathani_ | this one loads for me: https://www.cloudflare.com/ | [19:47] |
mercutio | yeah that loaded
The following error occurred while parsing the API response: Unexpected token < i got into login finally and now it's showing crap like that and generally not working fast/well/properly. | [19:51] |
ahh looks like can't do cname with https
because it uuses assigning the nameservers to cloudflare as verification | [20:02] |
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