#arpnetworks 2015-05-03,Sun

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mercutioso apparently nginx is bigger than iis these days.
it's the most popuular server for top 10,000 web sites, but even overall it's second behind apache
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NiTeMaRelitespeed :) [17:41]
mercutioyeah litespeed is pnuy
2.2% litespeed, 13.2% iis, 23.9% nginx, 57.7% apache
for all sitges
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NiTeMaRei use litespeed for all of my production cpanel servers and love it [17:49]
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mercutiodoes it do htaccess
i'm not a fan of capnel
ahh it does
yheah i dunno why litespeed never took off
not being open source and costing money put me off
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m0undsyea, that's probably a big reason
that and they license by cpu core (at least they used to)
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mercutioeww [18:11]
m0undsif i'm thinking of the right thing
and they had license levels for vps vs dedi
vs host
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mercutioapache trafficserver seems to be ahead of othe people with http2 support.
cpanel is like that too m0unds
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m0undshttps://store.litespeedtech.com/store/cart.php?gid=1 [18:12]
mercutionginx not supporting htaccess makes it complicated for shared hosting. [18:12]
m0unds1 core, 2GB RAM limit, 500gb concurrent connections, $249 [18:12]
mercutioscrew that [18:12]
m0undsbut hey, at least it still supports uml
:)
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mercutiohangon is that one core for the webserver? [18:13]
m0undsyes [18:13]
mercutioso not php etc. [18:13]
m0undsnot sure how that would work
but license renewals are $50/yr after the first yr
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mercutioStandard Edition: Free. Meets the needs of small websites. Automatically reads and uses Apache configurations, but has a limit of 150 concurrent connections and up to 5 Apache vhost.s
OpenLiteSpeed: Open source and free. Powerful enough for any website, but does not automatically read and use Apache configurations. Easy to configure (understands Apache mod_rewrite syntax), but requires that you configure it on your own.
that doesn't seem so bad.
i reckon large sites should use nginx
or small sites.
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m0undsi just use nginx because i don't need htaccess [18:15]
mercutioand shared hosting should use apache
yeh actually it's just shared hosting that really wants htaccess
do you like nginx m0unds ?
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m0undsyup
been using it for 4-5 yrs
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mercutioahh ok
did you ever try lighttpd?
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m0undsi like the cfg syntax, reminds me of junos
used lighttpd years ago
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mercutiooh yip
what about boa and thttpd?
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NiTeMaRethere is openlitespeed too
but it doesn't support as much and there is a closed source free version but ditto
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m0undsused thttpd for handling cgi before, but haven't used it as a web server [18:17]
mercutioNiTeMaRe: why did you switch?
there used to be all these benchmarks going around about static performance of web servers
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m0undsi used to feed smokeping through thttpd w/nginx on the front end [18:18]
mercutiowhen it's php that's usually the slowest part. [18:18]
m0undsyeah [18:18]
NiTeMaRemercutio: i was having issues with a couple large sites and load with apache and nginx didn't have that great of integration + the htaccess thing [18:18]
mercutioNiTeMaRe: and it fixed it up? [18:18]
NiTeMaReyes by far [18:18]
m0undsi've heard/read that lightspeed is much faster than apache 2.x
2.2*
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NiTeMaReit is way faster [18:18]
m0unds.x
i don't remember seeing it compared to 2.3 though
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mercutiom0unds: yeh i remember it was fsater than apache 1.3
and apache 2 was slower than apache 1.3 wasn't it?
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m0undserr, 2.4
rather
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mercutiohas apache sped up?
it still takes lots of memory
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m0undsyea, new apache has a threaded model like nginx
sort of
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mercutiousing php cgi on apache reduces memor yusage a lot [18:19]
m0undsstill not as fast though [18:19]
mercutiobut then you have the overhead of calling php
so you can use thinkgs like php-fpm
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m0undsyea [18:19]
mercutioit gets complicated quick though [18:20]
NiTeMaReit handles http-based ddos well too
http://www.litespeedtech.com/products/litespeed-web-server/editions
there is a comparison chart for each of the versions
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mercutioahh so you need enterprise for your cpanel [18:21]
NiTeMaRelsws standard is free along with (obviously) openls
yes
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mercutiohttp://www.litespeedtech.com/products/anti-ddos-proxy-service
interesting
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NiTeMaReya i've considered trying that but i'm a cloudflare partner anyways
railgun works pretty nicely
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mercutiohow much does that cost NiTeMaRe ? [18:24]
m0undsyuck, whcms
or whatever it is
haha
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NiTeMaRewhich, cloudflare? [18:24]
mercutioyeh paterner
err partner
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NiTeMaReto become a partner is free as long as you have a legit hosting site etc [18:25]
mercutioahh ok [18:25]
NiTeMaReyou use cpanel at all for customers? [18:25]
mercutiothen you can add people to it easily/quickly?
nah i know someone else who uses cpanel though
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NiTeMaRewell they have a cpanel module and interworx module
it is all point n click
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mercutioahh so it's all automatic? [18:26]
NiTeMaReyup [18:26]
mercutioeven with dns control etc? [18:26]
m0undsdoes it just hook into cloudflare's API or something? [18:26]
mercutiocloudflare's dns config is ick
my main complaint about cloudflare is you can't just cname to their server
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NiTeMaReyup although if you are using it for ddos you are better off changing nameservers over to cloudflare but it is reallyg good just for optimization [18:26]
mercutioyou have to use them for your whole domain, and their dns is icky to work with [18:27]
NiTeMaReya thats where you have to change nameservers over
but if you don't have ddos issues and you just want to use them for CDN purposes they work great
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mercutioi'd rather be able to do static.domain.name [18:27]
NiTeMaRei should try out litespeeds service one day for sure [18:28]
mercutioi couldn't find a way to make it work with static.domain.name at all.
i suuppose you could do another domain for static content.
it just seems silly to have to do another domain rather than sub doamin
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NiTeMaRewell for partners it forwards example.com > www.example.com > cname to cf [18:28]
mercutiofor partners it does cname to cf?
what's the cname look like?
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NiTeMaReso thats how it does everything automatic for partners but if you are getting ddosed, ip can be found via dns example.com
let me pull a example site
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mercutiothey seem to have improved it slightly
now you can import bind type zone things
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NiTeMaReidk if you got my pm or not but it is a htaccess forward from example.com to www.example.com then a cname from www.example.com to www.example.com.cdn.cloudflare.com
cloudflare.net even
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mercutioahh example.com.cdn.cloudflare.net [18:40]
NiTeMaReya [18:40]
mercutioso can a normal user just cname there
i suppsoe they can
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NiTeMaRemore then likely [18:41]
mercutioweallsee.net.cdn.cloudflare.net has address 104.28.6.126
weallsee.net has address 104.28.6.126
yip
sweet
thanks :)
although doing it that way doesn't give ipv6 results
dunno why
probably doesn't matter
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NiTeMaRethere is a way to toggle it in there panel
www.discuss.ninja now shows it
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mercutioahh
https isn't working either :)
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NiTeMaRethey give free ssl certs for https [18:54]
mercutioi know
it's worked before
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i can't get this damn https to go [19:40]
now cloudflare isn't loading :(
curl -v https://www.cloudflare.com/a/login/
that just hangs
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mnathani_this one loads for me: https://www.cloudflare.com/ [19:47]
mercutioyeah that loaded
The following error occurred while parsing the API response: Unexpected token <
i got into login finally
and now it's showing crap like that and generally not working fast/well/properly.
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ahh looks like can't do cname with https
because it uuses assigning the nameservers to cloudflare as verification
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