[00:00] arch has been doing X upgrades again. [00:00] one important one fixed my 2d performance bug, but normally X upgrades seem to create issues without acutally helping me :) [00:01] well it's not nearly so bad when you use open source drivers. [00:01] I know what you mean. [00:03] but i do like haven't recent versions of chrome, firefox etc. [00:03] and i wonder if some kind of split stable base with fast moving packages would be easier. [00:04] atm i have; /usr/lib/bfd-plugins/LLVMgold.so exists in both 'llvm-libs-svn' and 'llvm-libs' [00:04] STOP ATTACKING GNU SOFTWARE! [00:04] (^ joke from another channel) [00:04] i joined #devious [00:04] i noticed brycebot is in there too [00:05] BryceBot is many places.... [00:05] ahh ok, i'm not stalking you :/ [00:05] http://explosm.net/comics/3901/ lol [03:08] *** RandalSchwartz has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [04:32] *** dj_goku has joined #arpnetworks [04:54] *** YesThatTom has joined #arpnetworks [04:54] *** YesThatTom has left [07:42] ahahah [07:44] argh, these random cold snaps keep screwing with my trees [08:08] *** RandalSchwartz has joined #arpnetworks [08:08] *** RandalSchwartz has quit IRC (Changing host) [08:08] *** RandalSchwartz has joined #arpnetworks [08:42] *** temporary4242 has joined #arpnetworks [09:04] *** temporary4242 has quit IRC () [09:29] protip: Evergreens :p [09:30] then again, with the heat you see... [09:54] i have more evergreens than trees [09:54] and it's not that hot here relative to socal or arizona or texas [09:55] this tree was nearly killed by my redneck idiot neighbor dumping a 5 gallon container of gasoline in my front yard "on accident" [09:59] so every time it starts to get buds, we excited and then the temp crashes and it loses all of them [09:59] then looks like an old balding man come summertime [09:59] D: [10:00] pretty sad w/the patchy leaves and stuff [12:27] m0unds: maybe youu need bigger trees to protect the smaller ones? [12:28] they're not small [12:28] of course that'll take a while. but too many people seem to decide to get rid of "annoying" trees here, without nearly as many planting them. [12:28] well evne having more may protect more :) [12:28] all my trees are least 20m tall, haha [12:28] they're big guys [12:28] oh [12:29] it's just the one sucking up gasoline has sort of caused issues for it for going on 3 years [12:29] i don't like evergreens [12:29] it feels like cheating :/ [12:29] well, the ones i have are common in NM [12:29] because it's a desert + high elevation [12:29] hmm [12:30] yeh i know nothign abouut desserts :) [12:30] i'm at around 1800m above sea level [12:30] err deserts. [12:30] wow that's quiute high up from what i recall [12:30] they're all a bit different [12:30] desert here is different than desert in AZ [12:31] i wonder if those google maps find alittude thing is accurate [12:31] http://www.daftlogic.com/sandbox-google-maps-find-altitude.htm [12:32] oh it doesn't do right city by default olike google maps does :) [12:32] it says 16.8 metres [12:32] and it feels high up here :/ [12:32] umm, looks right [12:33] 1766m [12:34] highest point is 4013m [12:34] in the state, i mean [12:36] using steammover to relocate x-plane from one of my SSDs back to a platter disk is taking forever [12:38] i tried jjust moving a steam directory one time [12:38] nad it seemed to be downloading everything again buut it wsa too late. [12:39] doh [12:39] i keep a snapshot of my steam directory on my nas [12:39] back it up every month or so [12:39] i have 3 steam directories it seems. [12:39] i'm not backing mine up atm [12:40] what i usually end up doing when i reinstall is rename my old steam dir (it's not on my OS drive) and then install steam fresh, then before starting it, i rename the new dir and then rename the old dir to the new one [12:40] i mostly play dota, and it downloads quick. [12:40] well quick enough to not be too fussed. [12:40] then when i start, it just checks stuff and doesn't reacquire content. only hassle is having to reinstall some stuff the first time i start it [12:40] but the cache files are there and intact [12:40] i was experimenting with caching steam before :/ [12:40] with proxy [12:41] normal steam caches some files quite easily. [12:41] it pulls from different mirrors though [12:41] and it seems worse if you keep repeating it. [12:41] i was trying to see how fast i could mkae it download [12:42] so evergreen means you don't lose leaves in winter, right? [12:42] right, they just lose needles [12:42] but not til they're bare like a deciduous tree [12:42] i think most trees don't lose leaves that much in winter here [12:42] they just occasionally lose some needles as branches grow and stuff [12:42] i remember a lot more leaves in autumn in my previous city. [12:43] there are leaves, just not as many :) [12:43] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinus_nigra [12:43] Pinus nigra :: Pinus nigra (black pine) is a moderately variable species of pine, occurring across southern Mediterranean Europe from Spain to the eastern Mediterranean on Anatolian peninsula of Turkey and on Corsica/Cyprus, including Crimea, and in the high mountains of the Maghreb in North Africa. Distribution Pinus nigra is a tree of the Mediterranean forests, woodlands, and scrub biome. The majority of the range is in Turkey... [12:43] there was much more of a contrast in my old city [12:44] there's a band of cottonwood trees that runs along the river here that turns into a sort of bright orange / red belt in the fall [12:45] apparently this city is sub-tropical now [12:45] i think that means we don't have fall [13:50] no fall? http://www.metacafe.com/watch/7672421/downfall_2004/ [13:51] Hitler would not be amused. :) [13:51] I'd seen so many of those hitler parodies that when I finally watched the real movie, it seemed like a parody of those parodies. :) [14:01] heh [14:09] *** poulsen has joined #arpnetworks [14:09] *** poulsen has quit IRC (Excess Flood) [14:09] *** poulsen has joined #arpnetworks [14:11] apparently openbsd's pf is coming to solaris [14:12] doesn't os x have pf too? [14:12] @weather - v yyz [14:12] Error, No cities match your search query [14:12] Solaris *12* which is, relatively, a long ways away. [14:12] it's the space. [14:13] @weather -v yyz [14:13] Toronto-Pearson International, Ontario: Partly Cloudy ☁ 63°F (17°C), Humidity: 30%, Wind: From the North at 13 MPH Gusting to 20 MPH, Pressure: 30.12inHg (1020mb) and rising, Dewpoint: 30°F (-1°C), Visibility: 15Mi (24km), UV index: 3, Sunrise 06:31, Sunset: 20:05, Lunar phase: New moon [14:13] Saturday: Clear 68°F/38°F (20°C/3°C) | Sunday: Partly Cloudy 51°F/44°F (11°C/7°C) | Monday: Rain 60°F/43°F (16°C/6°C) | Tuesday: Chance of Rain 55°F/36°F (13°C/2°C) [14:13] The average high for this date is 53°F (11°C), and the record of 77°F (25°C) was set in 2002. The average low is 36°F (2°C), and the record of 27°F (-2°C) was set in 2012 [14:13] 11.3 this says [14:13] adn by 12 they want to make it standard [14:13] Yeah, 11.3 beta usage [14:13] And yes osx allegedly has pf [14:13] i wonder if linux will get pf too :) [14:15] Seems doubtful [14:15] They're pretty fond of iptables [14:15] Not to mention everything getting pf is rooted in BSD [14:15] (where Linux is not) [14:15] is solaris rooted in bsd? [14:15] solaris is system v :/ [14:16] SunOS was based on BSD I know [14:16] yeh [14:16] sunos was bsd solaris was systemv [14:16] so there's probably some bsd in there somewhere [14:17] sunos is pretty old now though :) [14:17] latest release 1994 apparently [14:17] SystemV was a combination of BSD, Xenix, and SunOS [14:17] ahh [14:18] (Source https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNIX_System_V#SVR4) [14:18] UNIX System V :: UNIX System V (pronounced: "System Five") is one of the first commercial versions of the Unix operating system. It was originally developed by AT&T and first released in 1983. Four major versions of System V were released, numbered 1, 2, 3, and 4. System V Release 4, or SVR4, was commercially the most successful version, being the result of an effort, marketed as "Unix System Unification", which solicited the collaboration... [14:18] what's linxu couunted as? [14:19] Linux wasn't based on anything, it was written from scratch to emulate Unix [14:19] i don't mean source wise i mean idealogy [14:20] it seems they've come into one now though :) [14:20] now it's all POSIX [14:20] Well everything is POSIX... Even windows conforms to most POSIX standars :p [14:20] reading openbsd's network code is so different from reading linux's though [14:20] in the kernel [14:20] *standards [14:20] linux's is way more complicated. [14:20] Quite true. [14:21] openbsd stock has quite a few limitations network wise though :/ [14:21] like can't use very large tcp window sizes [14:21] GNU is more SysV than BSD, to answer that question. [14:21] gnu isn't linux though [14:22] Indeed. [14:22] "GNU's Not Unix" :p [14:22] i still want to see openbsd type uuserland with linux kernel [14:22] Linux is just POSIX-ish. [14:22] mercutio: https://github.com/UNGLinux [14:22] i don't think it'll happen [14:24] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Unix_timeline.en.svg [14:26] wow glibc is only 1.9mb [14:26] mercutio: yes, OSX has pf as of either 10.9 or 10.10 [14:26] that seems much smaller than i remembered it being [14:27] i remember when libc5 to libc6 migration came every single program used more memory [14:29] m0unds: i thought it was before that [14:29] They save on memory usage by not including strlcpy(3). [14:29] afaik, it wasn't [14:29] just ipfw til then [14:29] i found i could save memory with static linking if you have a binary running lots of times at once [14:30] not that people care about memory usage anymore :) [14:30] oh, 10.7 [14:30] they /removed/ ipfw in 10.10 [14:30] there we go [14:30] Web browser devs sure don't care about memory usage. [14:30] heh i found links such a memory hog [14:30] but elinks was worse [14:30] chrome is just insane :/ [14:31] Firefox has leaked memory since its first release. [14:32] i found opera was better for memory usage [14:33] i wonder if there are any efforts to improve chromium's memory usage [14:34] Well considering they've started implementing their own GUI render for Chromium instead of relying on e.g. X or GTK, my guess is: no. [14:34] that shouldn't make much difference [14:34] there is hundreds of mb usuued [14:35] Sure, but I already have X, Xlibs, and GTK in memory; they could make use of that. [14:35] but heaps of processes makes it harder to count [14:35] 800mb showing the start page [14:36] ps auxw | grep chromi | awk '{ SUM += $6 } END { print SUM/1024 }' [14:36] doing that [14:37] so yeah i don't think gtk would help muuch [14:38] That is impressive. [14:39] i wonder if there's anythign i can do to reduce [14:41] weird about:memory shows much lower [14:42] butu adblock alone uses heaps [14:43] oh i think some of it is threads [14:44] and it's only 760mb if you run a bit longer.. [14:45] even early chrome was a memory hog though [14:45] chrome://memory-redirect [14:45] hmm on windows it's using over 10gb of memory [14:46] on linux it says like 380mb, but ps / awk says like 760mb [14:46] so about twice as much [14:46] maybe it's some memory allocator wastage or something [14:47] buteven with a busy browser on opera it used to use like 2gb ram max? 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