[00:12] That's enough to read the entire 128MB SSD 15 times/second. But do they even make 128mb SSDs? (:P) [00:18] err gb i mean :) [00:18] and yeah they make 128mb ssd's [00:18] my first ssd was 32mb [00:18] it was ide [00:19] http://www.ebay.com/itm/Transcend-40-Pin-IDE-Flash-Module-32MB-Disk-On-Modulel-IDE-FLASH-Card-/301142153566?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item461d78995e [00:19] oh look you can still get 32mb ssd's [00:22] http://www.ebay.com/itm/PQI-128MB-IDE-40-Pin-DOM-Disk-on-Module-SSD-Flash-DJ0128M22RF0-neu-inkl-MwSt-/361200467649?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77&hash=item541939bec1 [00:22] Yeah I figured you meant GB :P And I meant do they *still* make... [00:22] i'd go for that though, 128mb is better [00:22] oh right, yeah [00:22] you can get 128 and 256 [00:22] 128gb is fine for most people [00:22] 64gb is probably fine for a lot of users now that windows is getting smaller [00:23] but i was thinking it'd be cool to use a disk cache [00:40] Oh btw, -L OPERATOR gives me "lan print" and sensor readings too. [00:41] (I've always had ADMINISTRATOR before, never had to deal with lower permissions) [00:54] oh interesting, i got readings with user fine though :) [01:10] How strange. My VPS on kvr19 is frozen. No crash, panic, still text on the "screen", but absolutely no response to input (no text appears when I type, no flashing cursor) *grumbles* [01:12] (And once again< i didn't notice for 2 weeks because I don't have monitoring setup for it, and nobody noticed because it's low priority. lol) [01:14] heh [01:14] i'm still trying to figure out how my home box crashes something like that [01:15] nothing in logs [01:15] it may show a kernel message if i wasn't using X... [01:15] 'twas strange. Almost like the kvm process had hung, except vnc itself worked. And it's the second time that VPS has acted strangely screwy in the last two months. [01:16] my arp vps crashed when i was doing cvs on it, but it's running openbsd snapshot [01:16] i upgraded to a more recent snapshot. [01:16] openbsd still gives high pings with virtio if you do heavy disk load [01:17] so dunno if doing disk/network at once could make it more likely to crash [01:17] Good to know (though this is sans virtio - em and wd) [01:17] wd? [01:17] you mean sd right? [01:18] wd0 :) [01:18] that seems strange [01:18] my disks always show up as sd [01:18] are you using ahci? [01:18] /dev/wd0a 224M 128M 84.2M 60% / [01:18] wd0 is ide emulation IIRC [01:18] i wonder if bios defaults to .. [01:18] (well, it's the IDE driver period) [01:18] surely it doesn't? [01:18] wd0 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 0: [01:18] is it really old openbsd version? [01:19] 5.6 [01:19] oh [01:19] i was thinking your physical server. [01:19] Ohhhh, lol [01:19] the disk virtio makes more diff than the network virtio iirc [01:19] my physical server currently sees sda :p [01:19] yeah i dunno why i thought that [01:19] do you run openbsd everywhere? [01:20] /dev/sd0a 4.9G 4.5G 222M 95% / [01:20] this is my arp vm [01:20] Everywhere that isn't a VM host, and one lone Debian box/VM [01:20] (We're a hardcore OpenBSD shop) [01:20] seems that way [01:20] i was considering using openbsd more [01:21] but i'm leaning more towards linux these days [01:21] ubuntu ? [01:21] or arch [01:21] ubuntu is the standard [01:21] i use ubuntu for anything work related. [01:21] and arch for personal related when i can [01:21] I'd like to use Linux a bit more (internally) specifically so I could use lightweight OpenVZ containers for some tasks where it doesn't make much sense to use a full OpenBSD VM/system, but it's a matter of pride and OpenSBD is still quite light. [01:22] openbsd is amazingly light [01:22] i forgot to set memory amount with kvm and it only had 128mb [01:22] and i didn't even notice [01:22] You can run 64MB without issue [01:22] i used to run 64mb [01:22] when i first had a dedicated server. [01:22] it used to swap a lot [01:23] but it wasn't terrible. [01:23] ubuntu on 256mb is worse [01:23] what kind of applications are you running with under 128mb of ram [01:23] I don't doubt that [01:23] but 64mb had to include mutt, amavis, irc, etc. [01:23] amavis would've been "huge" [01:23] mnathani_: i had a mail server etc with 64mb. [01:23] comparatively [01:23] yeah i only ran one or two processes for it [01:23] was this a long time ago? [01:23] it actually uses less memory on openbsd thanl inux [01:23] mnathani_: yeh [01:24] it was a pentium pro 200 [01:24] * brycec mulls running a DRBD volume at ARP and at the office [01:24] approx 20 years? [01:24] haha [01:24] nah less than that [01:24] like 13 or 14 years ago? [01:24] still pretty long [01:24] twss [01:24] Okay! twss! 'still pretty long' [01:25] yeah it's weird how little software has changed since then [01:25] like i still use amavis, mutt, postfix, .. [01:25] although i was using ircii-epic back then, and screen rather than tmux [01:25] So much truth there [01:25] back then it seemed like there was so much new software coming out [01:26] it was exciting times. [01:26] like postfix was this new exciting promising mail server. [01:26] but now postfix is just what other people seem to be running [01:26] but given a choice between sendmail, qmail, exim, postfix [01:27] postfix was the clear leader. [01:29] so pf came with openbsd 3.0 [01:31] looks like postfix came out in dec 1998 [01:31] That's what she said!! [01:31] BryceBot: no [01:31] Oh, okay... I'm sorry. 'looks like postfix came out in dec 1998' [01:54] *** mnathani_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [01:59] *** mnathani_ has joined #arpnetworks [03:05] *** neish has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [03:06] *** neish has joined #arpnetworks [03:18] "hardcore openbsd shop" <--- that is awesome [07:08] I've been enjoying OpenBSD more and more. They have a refreshing attitude, especially when compared with GNU/Linux politics. [07:13] I stopped using openbsd when I discovered how cool freebsd is :) [07:15] There is that. [08:18] i just like bsds in general [08:22] openbsd makes me feel totes l33t [09:20] That vps on kvr19 I mentioned 8 hours ago? Already crashed! [09:20] This time: kernel: protection fault trap [09:56] *** bitslip has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) [10:01] brycec: does that imply something is wonky on the host config? [10:11] If it weren't a VPS, it would suggest the issue is rooted in hardware (cpu, ram, etc). Since it's a VPS, I'm not really sure. [10:12] (I'll have to look into it later too) [10:27] weird [13:31] i stoped using freebsd when i got hdd corruption [13:32] crashing would annoy me more than data corruption, since i keep backups [13:33] I'm running zfs on root. corruption would get caught early [13:39] well it was many years ago, and i haven't had any corruption when i've used freebsd for othe things since. [13:39] but it's what got me into openbsd on the desktop, and it surprised me how well it worked. [13:40] it was pre-sata, ide, and some ide controller issue. [13:41] i haven't seen any checksum errors with zfs yet, and i've used it across multiple platforms, with multiple systems. [13:41] i have seen read errors. [13:42] for some reason i have noticed that openbsd on a crash does tend to want manual fsck often. [13:42] never had any corruption, but it's a slight inconvenience. [14:23] Holy crap... that VPS is crashed *again* [14:24] damn. [14:24] no software upgrades right? [14:24] maybe try emailing support@ ? [14:24] Nothing recent [14:24] I remember there being *some* issue with high UDP load [14:24] and kvm [14:24] I think [14:25] And this does serve DNS :/ [14:25] the vps's are rate limited to 5 megabit outbound by default. [14:25] for anti ddos [14:25] No I mean there's a driver issue [14:25] oh [14:25] try shifting to virtio? [14:25] Would require moving hosts which is a chunk of up_the_irons' time [14:25] But that was the solution when I ran into an issue on a Linux vps [14:27] My current plan is just to get this VPS migrated on to my Metal box [14:27] Then I have full control of both sides without inconveniencing up_the_irons [14:31] oh he can't just enable it on your vm? [14:32] Asked about it before, this host hasn't been upgraded yet [14:32] ahh [14:32] maybe your host will go directly to trusty [14:33] My [new] host is going directly to Wheezy :P [14:33] (referring to my Metal) [14:33] heh [14:34] i hate the debian names :) [14:34] what's the new debian called? [14:34] that comes out rsn [14:34] Aww but they're so much fun, and easier to remember than Ubuntu's [14:34] Jessie [14:34] lucid/precise/trusty seem like ok names to me. [14:34] There are so many Ubuntu releases, I can't recall all of their names :p [14:34] wasn't a fan of names like etch, bo etc. [14:35] not even the lts names? [14:35] lol bo, now that is oooold [14:35] Not even. [14:35] i dunno debian seems to have a lot of names to me, probably because i follow it less [14:35] sarge, squeeze, whizzy, jessie, lenny, uhh [14:36] etch [14:36] *wheezy [14:36] And that's not exactly in order :p [14:36] oh etch was debian not uubuntuu [14:36] it was in order that it came to mind :) [14:36] maybe not chronological [14:36] Anyhow, the point is that in the last 5 years, there's only 3 releases/names :P [14:36] As opposed to Ubuntu... [14:37] ubuntu has only had lucid, precise, trusty int he last 5 years. [14:37] (3 may not be exactly right) [14:37] for lts versions. [14:37] heh well I'm counting more than LTS [14:37] yeh that's the issue i think [14:37] I'm counting *every* release, same as I am for Debian :p [14:38] januty, karmic, lucid, m something? [14:38] Maverick, Natty, Oneiric, Precise, Quantal, Raring, Saucy, Trusty, Utopic, and upcoming Vivid -- every Ubuntu release from 2010 on [14:38] precise, quantal, raring, saucy, trusty, utopic, vivid [14:39] curious i forgot all the names between lucid and precise. [14:39] I'd say the issue is that Debian only has LTS releases, keeping names few and simple and easy :P [14:39] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ubuntu_releases [14:39] List of Ubuntu releases :: Ubuntu releases are made semiannually by Canonical Ltd, the developers of the Ubuntu operating system, using the year and month of the release as a version number. The first Ubuntu release, for example, was Ubuntu 4.10 and was released on 20 October 2004. Consequently, version numbers for future versions are provisional; if the release is delayed until a different month (or even year) to that planned, the version number [14:39] they're all in alplhabetical order though. [14:39] Debian on the other hand: Squeeze, Wheezy, and soon Jessie [14:39] so you just have to remember the letter really [14:39] yeh no alphabet to guide :) [14:40] so why not go to debian jessie? [14:40] because it's still "testing" and not "stable" [14:40] i was just wondering about debian jessie yesterday. [14:40] it comes out this month doesn't it? [14:40] 25th [14:40] there should only be kernel changes before release? [14:40] and it may just be cd's pressing etc anyway. [14:41] i decided to not try jessy yet because it's systemd and it may have bugs/annoyances. [14:41] Yeah, relatively major changes for me. I also had some bad experiences installing Jessie which has scared me off for now. [14:42] ahh ok [14:42] Jessie works fine for me [14:42] i'm using vivid on all of my personal ubuntu vps's [14:42] yea, I've been using jessie for a long time [14:42] but none are important. [14:42] I didn't even notice when systemd arrived :P [14:43] i found when upgrading to vivid it didn't shift to systemd properly. [14:43] well systemd-analyse didn't work [14:43] i think it was still booting with upstart. [14:43] whizzy, lol [14:44] well you don't have anything critical on it right? maybe you should try jessie :) [14:45] Who, me? Even if I don't have anything critical, it's still a production system and we have policies about running untested things in production. [14:45] oh ok [14:45] I think I've seen a total of two breakages in jessie.. [14:45] one of them was chromium [14:45] chromium leaks gpu memory for me [14:45] the other one happened because I didn't install systemd [14:46] yea, chromium crashes one of my Intel GPUs actually [14:46] any time I try to play a video, OpenGL breaks for the whole system [14:46] that one is in software rendering mode :P [14:47] i actually have found intel onboard video to work pretty well [14:47] i disabled GPU acceleration due to the memory leaks [14:47] My bad (and frustrating) experience with Jessie was due to a mismatch/breakage between installer kernel and what was in the repo, meaning I couldn't even install. And it stayed broken for at least a week before I gave up. [14:47] I think Intel is the only mainstream graphics card vendor to release open source drivers? [14:47] was the repo not being updated properly? [14:47] acf: yeah i think so [14:47] AMD is contributing to radeon [14:48] i used to consider matrox to have good open source support. [14:48] buut i don't think it was self-written. [14:48] i find intel seems to have better performance than radeon for 2d. [14:48] which is kind of disconcerting. [14:49] on windows radeon does pretty well for 2d [14:49] I think the Linux radeon drivers began as a reverse engineering effort [14:49] mercutio: I have no idea what/why, only what caused the error messages that held me up. [14:49] brycec: I've always used jessie weekly ISOs for installing [14:50] I haven't seen that problem, likely because I wasn't installing anything that week [14:50] Most likely :p [14:51] "Owners of AMD (previously ATI) video cards have a choice between AMD's proprietary driver (catalyst) and the open source driver (xf86-video-ati)." [14:52] so AMD has been contributing to xf86-video-ati now? [14:52] Yes [14:52] Directly [14:52] cool [14:52] http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~agd5f/linux/?h=drm-next-3.20-wip [14:53] (not the best link, sorry) [14:53] i had aan idea that amd was getting more involved in open source [14:53] but from experience of amd on linux, it's ... not amazing [14:54] http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~agd5f/linux/log/drivers/gpu/drm/radeon?h=drm-next-3.20-wip&showmsg=1 Note the email addresses :p [14:54] I wonder if they're abandoning the proprietary driver then [14:55] Doesn't seem like it, not any time soon at least [14:55] actually it seems to work better than it used to. [14:55] but i had to shift to a fanless video card, as linux can't control fan speed. [14:55] Latest drivers/commits do [14:55] and it runs hot because linuxu doesn't do proper power gating. [14:56] brycec: yeah apparently it got better [14:56] and my r9 290 isn't so bad. [14:56] my 7850 on the other hand... is loud enough to drive me crazy [14:56] My 7870 is doing just fine [14:56] well was, before i shifted... [14:56] acutally i just uused it with windows, and didn't boot into linux much [14:57] brycec: yeah, apparently it's been improved now [14:57] but some cards were worse than others. [14:57] r9 290 and 7850 were both sapphire, and r9 290 was better... [14:57] if the card has sane onboard fan profiles it's not so bad [14:57] m0unds: it doesn't use those [14:57] if it boots loud it'll be loud [14:57] well that's how it was. [14:57] it sure does w/my sapphire card [14:58] i rarely boot arch but i've never noticed fan speed being a thing [14:58] it was about half of the amd cards being bad i think [14:58] if anyone wants a r9 280x, i have a bunch of 'em from my mining days ;) [14:58] lol [14:58] space heaters for sale [14:58] hahaha [14:58] up_the_irons: r9 280xs are pretty good actually [14:59] mercutio: i know i'm not offering crap ;) [14:59] i only needed to get a r9 280x, but r9 290 hardly cost anymore. [14:59] and future proof and all that. [15:01] in linux i can't tell the difference betwen radeon 7750 and r9 290 [15:04] lol up_the_irons [15:06] I have a 290 (and this 7870) the same way - a buddy of mine used to mine and now has more video cards than he knows what to do with [15:06] brycec: do you do 3d on the r9 290? [15:06] Yes (but it's my lady's and she games in windows) [15:07] ahh ok [15:07] the r9 290 is pretty amazing in windows [15:07] mine is even quiet. [15:07] i've been wondering if i should sell my 7850 [15:08] 7750 seems just as good for desktop use. [15:08] without fan issues [15:09] and i'm thinking the power draw on 7850 is probably insane. [15:10] 7870 is doing just fine on a 550W [15:10] Doesn't seem bad at all [15:10] it's like 20W diff bw the two [15:10] brycec: i was more thinking idle power usage. [15:11] probably close to the same, assuming power management is actually working [15:11] apparently a lot of video cards use a lot more power with two monitors too [15:11] yes, because you need higher memory clocks to drive two displays [15:11] so it runs at 3d clocks w/3 displays vs downclocked w/1 [15:11] i think it clocks the memory high anyway [15:11] err, 2 [15:11] how do i check memory clock in linux? [15:11] * m0unds shrugs [15:11] catalyst drivers - ati-config, radeon - radeontop [15:12] my r9 in windows is oscilating between 150 and 1300 mhz rapidly. [15:12] radeontop wasn't showing it [15:12] http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2012/11/05/msi-radeon-hd-7850-1gb-review/8 there's a couple charts w/idle and load power comparisons [15:12] Hm I thought it did, but I seem to be mistaken. [15:13] m0unds: that's windows, linux doesn't do proper power gating. [15:13] then assume the load value? [15:13] not a crazy assumption [15:14] sudo cat /sys/kernel/debug/dri/0/radeon_pm_info [15:14] ahh it is ruunning 150mhjz [15:14] pci-e gen 3 though [15:15] in windows it actually goes to earlier pci-e standard at idle [15:15] that's probably dependent on the link speed power management setting [15:15] oh maybe [15:23] *** plett has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [15:23] *** plett has joined #arpnetworks [17:17] *** carvite has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [17:17] *** carvite has joined #arpnetworks [17:36] *** ant has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [17:37] *** ant has joined #arpnetworks [17:56] so i thought i'd try linux on r9 290 again, and it seems it doesn't support 60 hz with 4k :( [17:57] well it flickers all of the time. [17:57] fortunately xrandr lets you set 30 hz easily. 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