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| brycec | That's enough to read the entire 128MB SSD 15 times/second. But do they even make 128mb SSDs? (:P) | [00:12] |
| mercutio | err gb i mean :)
and yeah they make 128mb ssd's my first ssd was 32mb it was ide http://www.ebay.com/itm/Transcend-40-Pin-IDE-Flash-Module-32MB-Disk-On-Modulel-IDE-FLASH-Card-/301142153566?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item461d78995e oh look you can still get 32mb ssd's http://www.ebay.com/itm/PQI-128MB-IDE-40-Pin-DOM-Disk-on-Module-SSD-Flash-DJ0128M22RF0-neu-inkl-MwSt-/361200467649?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77&hash=item541939bec1 | [00:18] |
| brycec | Yeah I figured you meant GB :P And I meant do they *still* make... | [00:22] |
| mercutio | i'd go for that though, 128mb is better
oh right, yeah you can get 128 and 256 128gb is fine for most people 64gb is probably fine for a lot of users now that windows is getting smaller but i was thinking it'd be cool to use a disk cache | [00:22] |
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| brycec | Oh btw, -L OPERATOR gives me "lan print" and sensor readings too.
(I've always had ADMINISTRATOR before, never had to deal with lower permissions) | [00:40] |
| mercutio | oh interesting, i got readings with user fine though :) | [00:54] |
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| brycec | How strange. My VPS on kvr19 is frozen. No crash, panic, still text on the "screen", but absolutely no response to input (no text appears when I type, no flashing cursor) *grumbles*
(And once again< i didn't notice for 2 weeks because I don't have monitoring setup for it, and nobody noticed because it's low priority. lol) | [01:10] |
| mercutio | heh
i'm still trying to figure out how my home box crashes something like that nothing in logs it may show a kernel message if i wasn't using X... | [01:14] |
| brycec | 'twas strange. Almost like the kvm process had hung, except vnc itself worked. And it's the second time that VPS has acted strangely screwy in the last two months. | [01:15] |
| mercutio | my arp vps crashed when i was doing cvs on it, but it's running openbsd snapshot
i upgraded to a more recent snapshot. openbsd still gives high pings with virtio if you do heavy disk load so dunno if doing disk/network at once could make it more likely to crash | [01:16] |
| brycec | Good to know (though this is sans virtio - em and wd) | [01:17] |
| mercutio | wd?
you mean sd right? | [01:17] |
| brycec | wd0 :) | [01:18] |
| mercutio | that seems strange
my disks always show up as sd are you using ahci? | [01:18] |
| brycec | /dev/wd0a 224M 128M 84.2M 60% /
wd0 is ide emulation IIRC | [01:18] |
| mercutio | i wonder if bios defaults to .. | [01:18] |
| brycec | (well, it's the IDE driver period) | [01:18] |
| mercutio | surely it doesn't? | [01:18] |
| brycec | wd0 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 0: <QEMU HARDDISK> | [01:18] |
| mercutio | is it really old openbsd version? | [01:18] |
| brycec | 5.6 | [01:19] |
| mercutio | oh
i was thinking your physical server. | [01:19] |
| brycec | Ohhhh, lol | [01:19] |
| mercutio | the disk virtio makes more diff than the network virtio iirc | [01:19] |
| brycec | my physical server currently sees sda :p | [01:19] |
| mercutio | yeah i dunno why i thought that
do you run openbsd everywhere? /dev/sd0a 4.9G 4.5G 222M 95% / this is my arp vm | [01:19] |
| brycec | Everywhere that isn't a VM host, and one lone Debian box/VM
(We're a hardcore OpenBSD shop) | [01:20] |
| mercutio | seems that way
i was considering using openbsd more but i'm leaning more towards linux these days | [01:20] |
| mnathani_ | ubuntu ?
or arch | [01:21] |
| mercutio | ubuntu is the standard
i use ubuntu for anything work related. and arch for personal related when i can | [01:21] |
| brycec | I'd like to use Linux a bit more (internally) specifically so I could use lightweight OpenVZ containers for some tasks where it doesn't make much sense to use a full OpenBSD VM/system, but it's a matter of pride and OpenSBD is still quite light. | [01:21] |
| mercutio | openbsd is amazingly light
i forgot to set memory amount with kvm and it only had 128mb and i didn't even notice | [01:22] |
| brycec | You can run 64MB without issue | [01:22] |
| mercutio | i used to run 64mb
when i first had a dedicated server. it used to swap a lot but it wasn't terrible. ubuntu on 256mb is worse | [01:22] |
| mnathani_ | what kind of applications are you running with under 128mb of ram | [01:23] |
| brycec | I don't doubt that | [01:23] |
| mercutio | but 64mb had to include mutt, amavis, irc, etc. | [01:23] |
| brycec | amavis would've been "huge" | [01:23] |
| mercutio | mnathani_: i had a mail server etc with 64mb. | [01:23] |
| brycec | comparatively | [01:23] |
| mercutio | yeah i only ran one or two processes for it | [01:23] |
| mnathani_ | was this a long time ago? | [01:23] |
| mercutio | it actually uses less memory on openbsd thanl inux
mnathani_: yeh it was a pentium pro 200 | [01:23] |
| brycec | brycec mulls running a DRBD volume at ARP and at the office | [01:24] |
| mnathani_ | approx 20 years? | [01:24] |
| mercutio | haha
nah less than that like 13 or 14 years ago? | [01:24] |
| mnathani_ | still pretty long | [01:24] |
| brycec | twss | [01:24] |
| BryceBot | Okay! twss! 'still pretty long' | [01:24] |
| mercutio | yeah it's weird how little software has changed since then
like i still use amavis, mutt, postfix, .. although i was using ircii-epic back then, and screen rather than tmux | [01:25] |
| brycec | So much truth there | [01:25] |
| mercutio | back then it seemed like there was so much new software coming out
it was exciting times. like postfix was this new exciting promising mail server. but now postfix is just what other people seem to be running but given a choice between sendmail, qmail, exim, postfix postfix was the clear leader. so pf came with openbsd 3.0 looks like postfix came out in dec 1998 | [01:25] |
| BryceBot | That's what she said!! | [01:31] |
| brycec | BryceBot: no | [01:31] |
| BryceBot | Oh, okay... I'm sorry. 'looks like postfix came out in dec 1998' | [01:31] |
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| pyvpx | "hardcore openbsd shop" <--- that is awesome | [03:18] |
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| mike-burns | I've been enjoying OpenBSD more and more. They have a refreshing attitude, especially when compared with GNU/Linux politics. | [07:08] |
| RandalSchwartz | I stopped using openbsd when I discovered how cool freebsd is :) | [07:13] |
| mike-burns | There is that. | [07:15] |
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| m0unds | i just like bsds in general | [08:18] |
| ix33 | openbsd makes me feel totes l33t | [08:22] |
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| brycec | That vps on kvr19 I mentioned 8 hours ago? Already crashed!
This time: kernel: protection fault trap | [09:20] |
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| mnathani_ | brycec: does that imply something is wonky on the host config? | [10:01] |
| brycec | If it weren't a VPS, it would suggest the issue is rooted in hardware (cpu, ram, etc). Since it's a VPS, I'm not really sure.
(I'll have to look into it later too) | [10:11] |
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| m0unds | weird | [10:27] |
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| mercutio | i stoped using freebsd when i got hdd corruption | [13:31] |
| m0unds | crashing would annoy me more than data corruption, since i keep backups | [13:32] |
| RandalSchwartz | I'm running zfs on root. corruption would get caught early | [13:33] |
| mercutio | well it was many years ago, and i haven't had any corruption when i've used freebsd for othe things since.
but it's what got me into openbsd on the desktop, and it surprised me how well it worked. it was pre-sata, ide, and some ide controller issue. i haven't seen any checksum errors with zfs yet, and i've used it across multiple platforms, with multiple systems. i have seen read errors. for some reason i have noticed that openbsd on a crash does tend to want manual fsck often. never had any corruption, but it's a slight inconvenience. | [13:39] |
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| brycec | Holy crap... that VPS is crashed *again* | [14:23] |
| mercutio | damn.
no software upgrades right? maybe try emailing support@ ? | [14:24] |
| brycec | Nothing recent
I remember there being *some* issue with high UDP load and kvm I think And this does serve DNS :/ | [14:24] |
| mercutio | the vps's are rate limited to 5 megabit outbound by default.
for anti ddos | [14:25] |
| brycec | No I mean there's a driver issue | [14:25] |
| mercutio | oh
try shifting to virtio? | [14:25] |
| brycec | Would require moving hosts which is a chunk of up_the_irons' time
But that was the solution when I ran into an issue on a Linux vps My current plan is just to get this VPS migrated on to my Metal box Then I have full control of both sides without inconveniencing up_the_irons | [14:25] |
| mercutio | oh he can't just enable it on your vm? | [14:31] |
| brycec | Asked about it before, this host hasn't been upgraded yet | [14:32] |
| mercutio | ahh
maybe your host will go directly to trusty | [14:32] |
| brycec | My [new] host is going directly to Wheezy :P
(referring to my Metal) | [14:33] |
| mercutio | heh
i hate the debian names :) what's the new debian called? that comes out rsn | [14:33] |
| brycec | Aww but they're so much fun, and easier to remember than Ubuntu's
Jessie | [14:34] |
| mercutio | lucid/precise/trusty seem like ok names to me. | [14:34] |
| brycec | There are so many Ubuntu releases, I can't recall all of their names :p | [14:34] |
| mercutio | wasn't a fan of names like etch, bo etc.
not even the lts names? | [14:34] |
| brycec | lol bo, now that is oooold
Not even. | [14:35] |
| mercutio | i dunno debian seems to have a lot of names to me, probably because i follow it less
sarge, squeeze, whizzy, jessie, lenny, uhh | [14:35] |
| brycec | etch
*wheezy And that's not exactly in order :p | [14:36] |
| mercutio | oh etch was debian not uubuntuu
it was in order that it came to mind :) maybe not chronological | [14:36] |
| brycec | Anyhow, the point is that in the last 5 years, there's only 3 releases/names :P
As opposed to Ubuntu... | [14:36] |
| mercutio | ubuntu has only had lucid, precise, trusty int he last 5 years. | [14:37] |
| brycec | (3 may not be exactly right) | [14:37] |
| mercutio | for lts versions. | [14:37] |
| brycec | heh well I'm counting more than LTS | [14:37] |
| mercutio | yeh that's the issue i think | [14:37] |
| brycec | I'm counting *every* release, same as I am for Debian :p | [14:37] |
| mercutio | januty, karmic, lucid, m something? | [14:38] |
| brycec | Maverick, Natty, Oneiric, Precise, Quantal, Raring, Saucy, Trusty, Utopic, and upcoming Vivid -- every Ubuntu release from 2010 on | [14:38] |
| mercutio | precise, quantal, raring, saucy, trusty, utopic, vivid
curious i forgot all the names between lucid and precise. | [14:38] |
| brycec | I'd say the issue is that Debian only has LTS releases, keeping names few and simple and easy :P
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ubuntu_releases | [14:39] |
| BryceBot | List of Ubuntu releases :: Ubuntu releases are made semiannually by Canonical Ltd, the developers of the Ubuntu operating system, using the year and month of the release as a version number. The first Ubuntu release, for example, was Ubuntu 4.10 and was released on 20 October 2004. Consequently, version numbers for future versions are provisional; if the release is delayed until a different month (or even year) to that planned, the version number | [14:39] |
| mercutio | they're all in alplhabetical order though. | [14:39] |
| brycec | Debian on the other hand: Squeeze, Wheezy, and soon Jessie | [14:39] |
| mercutio | so you just have to remember the letter really
yeh no alphabet to guide :) so why not go to debian jessie? | [14:39] |
| brycec | because it's still "testing" and not "stable" | [14:40] |
| mercutio | i was just wondering about debian jessie yesterday.
it comes out this month doesn't it? | [14:40] |
| brycec | 25th | [14:40] |
| mercutio | there should only be kernel changes before release?
and it may just be cd's pressing etc anyway. i decided to not try jessy yet because it's systemd and it may have bugs/annoyances. | [14:40] |
| brycec | Yeah, relatively major changes for me. I also had some bad experiences installing Jessie which has scared me off for now. | [14:41] |
| mercutio | ahh ok | [14:42] |
| plett | Jessie works fine for me | [14:42] |
| mercutio | i'm using vivid on all of my personal ubuntu vps's | [14:42] |
| acf__ | yea, I've been using jessie for a long time | [14:42] |
| mercutio | but none are important. | [14:42] |
| acf__ | I didn't even notice when systemd arrived :P | [14:42] |
| mercutio | i found when upgrading to vivid it didn't shift to systemd properly.
well systemd-analyse didn't work i think it was still booting with upstart. | [14:43] |
| m0unds | whizzy, lol | [14:43] |
| mercutio | well you don't have anything critical on it right? maybe you should try jessie :) | [14:44] |
| brycec | Who, me? Even if I don't have anything critical, it's still a production system and we have policies about running untested things in production. | [14:45] |
| mercutio | oh ok | [14:45] |
| acf__ | I think I've seen a total of two breakages in jessie..
one of them was chromium | [14:45] |
| mercutio | chromium leaks gpu memory for me | [14:45] |
| acf__ | the other one happened because I didn't install systemd
yea, chromium crashes one of my Intel GPUs actually any time I try to play a video, OpenGL breaks for the whole system that one is in software rendering mode :P | [14:45] |
| mercutio | i actually have found intel onboard video to work pretty well | [14:47] |
| staticsafe | i disabled GPU acceleration due to the memory leaks | [14:47] |
| brycec | My bad (and frustrating) experience with Jessie was due to a mismatch/breakage between installer kernel and what was in the repo, meaning I couldn't even install. And it stayed broken for at least a week before I gave up. | [14:47] |
| acf__ | I think Intel is the only mainstream graphics card vendor to release open source drivers? | [14:47] |
| mercutio | was the repo not being updated properly?
acf: yeah i think so | [14:47] |
| brycec | AMD is contributing to radeon | [14:47] |
| mercutio | i used to consider matrox to have good open source support.
buut i don't think it was self-written. i find intel seems to have better performance than radeon for 2d. which is kind of disconcerting. on windows radeon does pretty well for 2d | [14:48] |
| acf__ | I think the Linux radeon drivers began as a reverse engineering effort | [14:49] |
| brycec | mercutio: I have no idea what/why, only what caused the error messages that held me up. | [14:49] |
| acf__ | brycec: I've always used jessie weekly ISOs for installing
I haven't seen that problem, likely because I wasn't installing anything that week | [14:49] |
| brycec | Most likely :p | [14:50] |
| acf__ | "Owners of AMD (previously ATI) video cards have a choice between AMD's proprietary driver (catalyst) and the open source driver (xf86-video-ati)."
so AMD has been contributing to xf86-video-ati now? | [14:51] |
| brycec | Yes
Directly | [14:52] |
| acf__ | cool | [14:52] |
| brycec | http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~agd5f/linux/?h=drm-next-3.20-wip
(not the best link, sorry) | [14:52] |
| mercutio | i had aan idea that amd was getting more involved in open source
but from experience of amd on linux, it's ... not amazing | [14:53] |
| brycec | http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~agd5f/linux/log/drivers/gpu/drm/radeon?h=drm-next-3.20-wip&showmsg=1 Note the email addresses :p | [14:54] |
| acf__ | I wonder if they're abandoning the proprietary driver then | [14:54] |
| brycec | Doesn't seem like it, not any time soon at least | [14:55] |
| mercutio | actually it seems to work better than it used to.
but i had to shift to a fanless video card, as linux can't control fan speed. | [14:55] |
| brycec | Latest drivers/commits do | [14:55] |
| mercutio | and it runs hot because linuxu doesn't do proper power gating.
brycec: yeah apparently it got better and my r9 290 isn't so bad. my 7850 on the other hand... is loud enough to drive me crazy | [14:55] |
| brycec | My 7870 is doing just fine | [14:56] |
| mercutio | well was, before i shifted...
acutally i just uused it with windows, and didn't boot into linux much brycec: yeah, apparently it's been improved now but some cards were worse than others. r9 290 and 7850 were both sapphire, and r9 290 was better... | [14:56] |
| m0unds | if the card has sane onboard fan profiles it's not so bad | [14:57] |
| mercutio | m0unds: it doesn't use those
if it boots loud it'll be loud well that's how it was. | [14:57] |
| m0unds | it sure does w/my sapphire card
i rarely boot arch but i've never noticed fan speed being a thing | [14:57] |
| mercutio | it was about half of the amd cards being bad i think | [14:58] |
| up_the_irons | if anyone wants a r9 280x, i have a bunch of 'em from my mining days ;) | [14:58] |
| m0unds | lol
space heaters for sale | [14:58] |
| up_the_irons | hahaha | [14:58] |
| mercutio | up_the_irons: r9 280xs are pretty good actually | [14:58] |
| up_the_irons | mercutio: i know i'm not offering crap ;) | [14:59] |
| mercutio | i only needed to get a r9 280x, but r9 290 hardly cost anymore.
and future proof and all that. in linux i can't tell the difference betwen radeon 7750 and r9 290 | [14:59] |
| brycec | lol up_the_irons
I have a 290 (and this 7870) the same way - a buddy of mine used to mine and now has more video cards than he knows what to do with | [15:04] |
| mercutio | brycec: do you do 3d on the r9 290? | [15:06] |
| brycec | Yes (but it's my lady's and she games in windows) | [15:06] |
| mercutio | ahh ok
the r9 290 is pretty amazing in windows mine is even quiet. i've been wondering if i should sell my 7850 7750 seems just as good for desktop use. without fan issues and i'm thinking the power draw on 7850 is probably insane. | [15:07] |
| brycec | 7870 is doing just fine on a 550W
Doesn't seem bad at all | [15:10] |
| m0unds | it's like 20W diff bw the two | [15:10] |
| mercutio | brycec: i was more thinking idle power usage. | [15:10] |
| m0unds | probably close to the same, assuming power management is actually working | [15:11] |
| mercutio | apparently a lot of video cards use a lot more power with two monitors too | [15:11] |
| m0unds | yes, because you need higher memory clocks to drive two displays
so it runs at 3d clocks w/3 displays vs downclocked w/1 | [15:11] |
| mercutio | i think it clocks the memory high anyway | [15:11] |
| m0unds | err, 2 | [15:11] |
| mercutio | how do i check memory clock in linux? | [15:11] |
| m0unds | m0unds shrugs | [15:11] |
| brycec | catalyst drivers - ati-config, radeon - radeontop | [15:11] |
| mercutio | my r9 in windows is oscilating between 150 and 1300 mhz rapidly.
radeontop wasn't showing it | [15:12] |
| m0unds | http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2012/11/05/msi-radeon-hd-7850-1gb-review/8 there's a couple charts w/idle and load power comparisons | [15:12] |
| brycec | Hm I thought it did, but I seem to be mistaken. | [15:12] |
| mercutio | m0unds: that's windows, linux doesn't do proper power gating. | [15:13] |
| m0unds | then assume the load value?
not a crazy assumption | [15:13] |
| mercutio | sudo cat /sys/kernel/debug/dri/0/radeon_pm_info
ahh it is ruunning 150mhjz pci-e gen 3 though in windows it actually goes to earlier pci-e standard at idle | [15:14] |
| m0unds | that's probably dependent on the link speed power management setting | [15:15] |
| mercutio | oh maybe | [15:15] |
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| mercutio | so i thought i'd try linux on r9 290 again, and it seems it doesn't support 60 hz with 4k :(
well it flickers all of the time. fortunately xrandr lets you set 30 hz easily. | [17:56] |
| m0unds | sweet | [17:58] |
| mercutio | i don't think it used to do that though | [17:59] |
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