[10:42] not sure who all was here when I was talking about doing my show, but I played for 4 hours Friday night [10:43] I've been contacted by an event planner for the City of New Orleans who wants to hire me [10:43] I felt like a rock star all night. People coming up to meet me, people interrupting other people to say something or ask a question [10:44] Congrats, phlux, great job :) [10:45] Thanks man :) Very exciting times [10:50] phlux: congrats. [10:51] thanks! [10:56] *** sorressean has joined #arpnetworks [10:57] Anyone had much experience with the arp dedicated boxes? I'm with OVH (soyoustart) right now, but various issues plus the fact that both my cards (different banks) classify them as high risk and require I call before transactions means I'm looking to switch. I pay $59 for 2 tb, 32 gb ram and a good processor, but I'd be willing to pay slightly more for less. 500 gb, 16 -8 gb (as long as I could add [10:57] more) etc. I know the plans are on the site, but they look a lot more expensive. [10:59] $59 seems insanely cheap [10:59] you pay $59 for 32gb ram atm? [10:59] mercutio: it comes with shitty support and high risk payment processing. [11:00] mercutio: so it can be cheap. but nods. $80 would be fine even, but the cheapest arp is $129. [11:00] there may be a deal on wht? [11:01] but i doubt it'd be like $80 [11:02] Yeah. I just need to keep it low. I'm a student and mainly use the box for dev/other stuff plus email and etc. I was on VPS for a while, but my stuff got to big for it. [11:02] http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1468944&highlight=arpnetworks [11:03] oh snap. [11:03] <3 [11:03] google didn't find it [11:03] i had to search on wht itself [11:03] ah nods. that's what I was googling. I appreciate it, thanks. :) [11:04] Now I need to justify $30 extra. :p [11:04] heh. [11:05] what makes it too big for vm? [11:08] mercutio: my stuff runs about 2-3 gb memory. also I do a lot of compilation. most vps systems only offer 1 core or extras are like really expensive. [11:09] ahh i see [11:09] On the bright side I could get an ssd. that'd be nifty. [11:10] yeh ssd's are the future :) [11:11] now days whenever i use a hard-disk system it usually seems slow. [11:11] although arch linux seems a lot faster installing packages on hard-disk raid than ubuntu on ssd [11:12] (dpkg fsyncs all the time, so is especially slow on hard-disks, but it also seems to be a resource hog in general) [11:13] That is a spiffy deal. Looks like Garry resurrects it periodically too. [11:14] heh whenever i see a coupon section on a web site, i seem to end up seraching for a coupon code. [11:14] some local places have free shipping sometimes with a code. [11:14] That's what she said!! [11:15] but google isn't always wonderful at finding codes. [11:17] yeah, I'm loving this arp metal deal [11:17] once finals are over I'll switch over. [11:18] I also get amazing bandwidth. soyoustart only gives you 250 mbps. [11:18] and I'm sold at ipmi. :p [11:24] hmm soyoustart looks like they're using desktops? [11:24] E3 1225v2 [11:24] the 5 at the end suggests onboard video [11:25] I'm not really sure what they're using. the arp servers are .2 ghz faster and newer processors though. [11:26] arp are i7-3770 equivilents afaik [11:26] e3 1225v2 is i5 something [11:27] nods. [11:27] plus ssd. [11:27] heh [11:27] I might need to throw in an extra $10 for another 8 gb, though. [11:27] My memory usage right now is about 10 gb. [11:28] yeah i would [11:30] Also on the bright side... I can just blacklist all of OVH. [11:30] I get so much spam from them and I'm blacklisted by a couple services I've ran into. [11:30] weird [11:30] It's their vps systems. I guess they're good platforms. [11:31] but the turnaround doesn't help. they've replied to spam reports with it's to much work because they just buy new ones, so they just let it go. :p [11:31] that's why instant provisioning is bad [11:32] the fact that I'm having flags on my card makes me think stolen cards are being used, too. [11:32] not necessarily [11:32] mercutio: Linode does insta provisioning. Never seen much spam from them. [11:32] i had fraud used on my card once. [11:33] mercutio: re ovh/soyoustart server components: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y47RM9zylFY . with their low prices they cannot waste the space/cooling energy needed for desktops. they don't even use regular 19" servers.... [11:33] YouTube Tech: "OVH.COM : How our servers come to be" by OVH COM (1m 38s), 25,949 views, 63 likes and 4 dislikes. Uploaded 2013-01-11T13:52:29.000Z. [11:33] sorressean: they may stop it quickly. [11:33] ant: haha [11:33] oh, they do. [11:33] so the onboard video is because of motherboard [11:34] ant: what servers do they use? (Blind, so I can't see the pic). Just curious what the setup is. [11:34] it's actually more efficient [11:34] sorressean: completely custom built [11:34] sorressean: it's like google used to do afaik [11:34] ie stacks of motherboards with custom power [11:34] dam. that is slightly impressive. [11:34] with no cases. [11:36] Mostly just their quantity of servers. [11:36] apparently servers around the world are a huge power hog. [11:36] like data centre power usage in general is a worldwide issue [11:36] i think it was something stupid like 15% of power usage or something [11:36] Oh yeah... Look at google. [11:37] Their power usage is at the top of everyone's list. [11:37] ok looks like it could be e% [11:38] err 3% [11:38] although most data centres aren't in most locations [11:38] so i imagine in some areas it's much higher and some much lower. [11:39] Yeah, there's just huge clusters in a lot of areas. [11:39] generally where power is cheap [11:40] or cooling is cheap :) [11:40] How is arp hosted? Does he just do collocation? [11:40] mercutio: or there's a good connection [11:40] he's got a cage at err coresite? [11:40] there's like 3 data centres, and i'm not sure which it's at . [11:41] sorressean: multiple upstream providers. [11:41] Simply - yes, a cage in a colocation facility in Los Angeles [11:41] All his own gear inside the cage. [11:41] ah nods. was just curious how that worked. didn't think arp was big enough for a dc. [11:42] Not of their own. You've got to be *huge* to justify that cost. [11:42] sorressean: that's what cages are for [11:42] brycec: not necessarily actually [11:42] you have to be huge to have a /good/ data centre. [11:43] like it'd probably be cheaper to build your own data centre for arp :/ [11:43] Well technically... As opposed to a "datacentre" that is just your garage :p [11:43] with fibre to his house or something [11:43] but it wouldn't make it a good data centre. [11:43] mercutio: Except then he couldn't have his peering+interconnects [11:43] and then you'd struggle with fibre diversity [11:43] brycec: you can cross connect it [11:43] Yeah, I don't think linode even has a dc and they're big. they just rent space. [11:44] yeah i wouldn't recommend having your own dc usually [11:44] especially somewhere like los angeles. [11:44] Well, it's not a problem I need to worry about... [11:45] It'd be fun to intern doing administration/working in a dc though. Sadly boston doesn't have anything like that. [11:46] * mercutio cares more than he should about fibre diversity [11:46] sorressean: it oculd do [11:46] i hate datacentres myself :) [11:46] That's what she said!! [11:46] i want to say i like ipmi... [11:47] but ipmi can be a pita too [11:47] arp preconfigures ipmi to work with serial etc [11:47] mercutio: I just want the experience. always been interested in administration/doing stuff like that. I could get a job writing software, but server stuff has always been more fun. [11:47] which surprised me [11:47] mercutio: yeah, my experiences with it aren't fun. [11:47] i just assume things won't be setup :) [11:48] sorressean: i love to see people who do sys admin, programming, networks, servers etc. [11:48] like the whole lot [11:48] mercutio: nods. I'm kind of into all three. [11:48] there's kind of this big divide between programming and admin normally. [11:49] where people seem to want to do either, but not both [11:49] but there's not really many admin jobs here. so I'll probably be sititng in a cubical writing code for some corporate service. [11:49] sorressean: where are you? [11:49] all the programming jobs that i notice seem to want to use .net, php, etc. [11:49] mercutio: I've noticed that, it's sort of weird. Especially since the sys admins would be really qualified to fix stuff. [11:49] java [11:49] mercutio: Boston [11:49] ie nothing i'd want to touch [11:49] sorressean: oh yeah [11:50] maybe you ushould move? [11:50] That's what she said!! [11:50] mercutio: except where the two overlap in "devops" :p [11:50] brycec: no-one knows what devops is :) [11:50] sorressean: One Summer St doesn't have internships? [11:50] i used to do programming [11:50] now i've kind of shifted to sys admin [11:51] it's actually hard to do both at once, as programming likes big long stretches of time.. [11:51] Yeah, I'm down to 1-2 days/wk of programming (at work), and it's a struggle to concentrate. [11:51] mike-burns: I didn't even realize they were here. I'm newish to the area. I'd looked around and didn't find data centers except for a couple and I applied there. [11:52] sorressean: which school are you at? [11:52] (I'm from Boston ...) [11:52] mike-burns: Wentworth. [11:52] Aha. [11:52] I know exactly that struggle, mike-burns [11:52] mike-burns: Nothing amazing. I got accepted to BC, but I don't have 60k a year. :| [11:52] Ha yeah. [11:53] WIT is good, too. [11:53] Though I know surprisingly little about it. [11:53] mike-burns: you're familiar? [11:53] I went to Northeastern U. [11:53] Ah, awesome. [11:53] easymac: didn't you go to Wentworth? [11:54] I didn't really apply there for some reason. I figured I'd get less support than I would have from BC [11:54] I'm mostly curious whether Wentworth has a sysadmin group, or some way for them to bridge the gap between students and the real world. [11:55] what's a sysadmin group? [11:55] mike-burns: not really. my networking course (req for cs) did a lot of unix stuff, but it was mostly ls, echo, vi. [11:55] I was trying to set up a cs organization and got bogged down with work. [11:55] (Oh man, if all I needed for network administration were ls, echo and vi... lol) [11:56] mercutio: we had one at Northeastern U. We'd basically be free labor for the school's IT department. We were in charge of e.g. replacing Solaris with Debian (I lost the BSD fight ...), figuring out LDAP, and so on. [11:57] mike-burns: with no pay? [11:57] You bet'cha. Nada. [11:57] Yeah... Well, it took the students forever to get it. I don't even want to go into how long subnet masks took. [11:57] that sucks. [11:57] aka "unpaid internship" [11:57] 3 weeks of subnet masks and binary and the same thing over and over... [11:58] sorressean: i'm always surprised to see programmers struggle with netmasks [11:58] https://wiki.ccs.neu.edu/display/Crew/Home - this is their (new) Web site. [11:58] i shouldn't be. [11:59] mercutio: silly mercutio ! You don't do bit operations in java! You just code and pray. [11:59] also copypaste seems to be a favorite here. [11:59] "How did you make that work?" "Uh, I don't know. stackoverflow." [11:59] Most programmers don't do bit operations often, so it makes sense that they're unpracticed at netmasks. [11:59] haha. [11:59] yeah i think it's because programming went higher level. [11:59] really? I used bit stuff in my toy OS a lot. [12:00] also for flags in my game engine. [12:00] sorressean: toy OS? [12:00] Most coders aren't being paid to work on toy OSes ... [12:00] mercutio: only really got to paging, but I learned a lot. just had more important things to hack on. [12:00] sorressean: that's further than i got :) [12:01] i was trying to get a network file system working.. [12:01] mike-burns: No, I just assumed CS students would know about it. I wouldn't be surprised to know someone writing PHP for 10 years didn't remember much bbinary. [12:01] but i was struggling at network card stuff. [12:01] damnit, now i want to try again. [12:01] it'd be easier with xen/kvm/etc now. [12:01] mercutio: It's fun, but it's a lot of work. I learned a ton though. [12:01] mercutio: or contribute your skills to an existing OS? OpenBSD could always use more contributors ... [12:01] mercutio: It was my project while I sat in c++ class. :p [12:02] mike-burns: i'm thinking about doing a network card driver for openbsd. [12:02] but it's a wee way off. [12:02] openbsd has no support for mellanox ethernet. [12:02] NIC drivers for OBSD are pretty straightforward, from what I've seen. [12:03] freebsd does. [12:03] err at least i think freebsd does. [12:03] There was a post to misc@ about those cards about a month ago. Did you see that? Was that you? [12:03] the linux drivers are dual licensed, gpl/bsd though anyway. [12:03] mike-burns: didn't see it. [12:03] http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=142542065803121&w=2 [12:03] i'm getting a couple more [12:03] openbsd-misc: "OpenBSD and 40G/100G ethernet cards" from Theron ZORBAS @ 2015-03-03 22:09:11 [12:04] oh i'm getting connectx-2 with only do 10gbe [12:04] not 40gb [12:04] connectx-3 cost /way/ more [12:04] reyk@'s response applies just the same. [12:05] intel 10gbe is way more expensive. [12:05] The NIC driver stack in OBSD is nice, clear OO C -- people are always improving it. The mouse/input device stack, OTOH, ... it needs love. [12:05] i expect if getting connectx-2 to go connectx-3 should be easy. [12:06] mike-burns: my problem is i'm interested in areas that it looks like openbsd isn't so much :) [12:06] like i'd like to get openbsd to boot quicker. [12:06] I'm sure they wouldn't mind a patch that made it boot faster. [12:06] yeah the problem is things like that need huge changes. [12:07] Oh. They might want some smaller patches first ... [12:07] heh. [12:07] like an ethernet card driver? [12:07] Yes. [12:07] but yeah i'd be interested in making network stack faster too. [12:07] mpi@ is working on that and he'd love some help. [12:07] and getting support for 10gbe cards that i have would make that easier. [12:08] it's a wee way off [12:08] I want to contribute to BSD. but I'd need some sort of vm to make it happen and there's no tts to install it. [12:08] There's an image on the site f for vmware, but you need working eyeballs to enable ssh. [12:09] sorressean: i'm kind of thinking vt-d/vm is the way to go to do network stuff now :) [12:09] well that and a dual boot other computer [12:09] what is tts? [12:09] openbsd performance sucked on vmware last i tried it. [12:09] but it was easy to get going. [12:10] mercutio: yeah, makes sense to just test there. I just wanted a vm so I could go back to a snapshot if I broke something. [12:10] Text-to-speech. [12:10] oh right. [12:10] mercutio: speech install. I'm blind, so I need some sort of speech. on servers it's not bad, but if you're installing bsd yourself you need a speech output. Most linux distros have it. [12:10] sorressean: so you have no vision at all? [12:10] mercutio: well, I can see light. but that's about it [12:11] sorressean: ahh ok, one legally blind guy i knew could still use a magnifying glass.. [12:11] Yeah, no magnification for me. :p [12:11] i think legally blind is like < 10% or < 5% vision [12:12] but seeing only light sounds very difficult. [12:12] I'm not really sure. there's a lot of "legally blind" people I know that have a lot of vision still. [12:12] has text to speech got better? i've found it very painful when i've tried it. [12:12] If you run a VM inside an OS with a great, working TTS, can that TTS system read the text inside the VM? [12:13] it depends what you use. It's not music to my earholes, but it's not aweful. [12:13] (Are there great, working TTSes? I do tend to assume that all software sucks/is broken ...) [12:15] mike-burns: the best one for me is eloquence, but it's hard to use in a lot of places since someone put a patent on it. You can get it to work on linux, but you need to use a glibc from like 2001... lots of people like ESpeak, but it's to harsh for me. [12:15] sorressean: did someone help get tts setup for you? [12:18] mercutio: I'm on windows atm. it's easy enoujgh. on linux it comes native with installs on most distros. [12:18] enough* [12:18] tts "just works" on linux? [12:18] yep. debian has it, ubuntu has it [12:18] "narrator" sounds very bad to me whenever i accidentally start it [12:19] ahh ok [12:19] yeah, I don't use narrator. :) [12:19] heh. [12:19] sorressean: are you using speech recognition too? [12:20] mercutio: no. [12:20] i just figure if you hear, you may want to talk, rather than type. [12:20] but i suppose that correlation doesn't exist for you. [12:20] do you use any kind of braille-type systems? [12:23] phlux: that's awesome, congrats on a show well-done :) [12:23] I use a braille display for physics, but that's about it. [12:25] hmm, is easter not a holiday at all in the US? [12:25] i was surprised that usps did pickups on "good friday" but tracking said movement today (which should be easter sunday) too. [12:26] Yeah, we don't really care about easter. people celebrate, but it's on Sunday. [12:27] here places liek the supermarket aren't open. [12:27] My city is deserted this whole weekend. It's kinda nice, in an apocalyptic kinda way. [12:27] it's about as holidayish as christmas here for what's open [12:28] wally world is open, but most of the grocery stores here are closed [12:28] and lots of stuff just usually isn't open/has limited hours sundays anyway [12:28] supermarkets here seem to usually be open the same hours every day [12:28] here, they just close slightly earlier (e.g. instead of midnight, they close at 2200) [12:29] oh ok my supermarket is only open 7 am to 10 pm [12:29] and didn't seem to change. i was waiting until it got to 7 am to go to supermarket. [12:29] now it's 7:30 :) [12:29] the ones i shop at are usually 0600-2200 and one has weird hours, like 0657-2106 or something [12:30] where i used to live there was a 24 hour supermarket [12:30] oh, changed - 0800-2104 and 0800-1906 [12:30] haha [12:30] but it's usuually holidays i want to go at odd times [12:30] walmart grocery stores here are 24h [12:30] and it'd shut earlier those times often [12:31] m0unds: that's just bizzare [12:31] only part of it that isn't open 24h is the pharmacy [12:31] liquor section closes at 0200 [12:31] i don't know much about walmart [12:32] i didn't know they had a pharmacy. [12:32] neither do i aside from those two things because i used to shop there more often when i worked nights [12:32] haven't really been in the last 3-4 years [12:59] thanks, m0unds [13:00] maybe one day i'll be touring in california, and i'll give arpnetworks a shoutout and no one will know wtf i'm talking about :P [13:00] it's kind of scary when googling for "openbsd network performance" comes up with calomel.org as the top link [13:46] damn openbsd's network performance under kvm is worse than i thought it'd be [13:46] even gigabit it uses up 130% cpu with 1 vcpu on a g3258 [14:43] *** dj_goku has joined #arpnetworks [14:46] *** dj_goku_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [14:59] ouch [15:02] it seems that 130% is actually a common amount of cpu for kvm to use [15:02] also when booting smp kernel on openbsd it uses 200% cpu with 2 cpu cores. [15:03] when rebooting 100% etc [15:03] *** carvite has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [15:04] it's one of those things that only matter for power use / virtual environments [15:04] and power draw is higher on inititally turning on i imagine [15:04] @weather -v yyz [15:04] Toronto-Pearson International, Ontario: Overcast ☁ 36°F (2°C), Humidity: 75%, Wind: From the South at 6 MPH, Pressure: 30.17inHg (1021mb) and holding, Dewpoint: 28°F (-2°C), Feels like 31°F (-1°C), Visibility: 15Mi (24km), UV index: 1, Sunrise 06:53, Sunset: 19:49, Lunar phase: Full moon [15:04] Sunday: Chance of Snow 36°F/32°F (2°C/0°C) | Monday: Snow Showers 46°F/35°F (8°C/2°C) | Tuesday: Chance of Rain 42°F/32°F (6°C/0°C) | Wednesday: Rain 38°F/33°F (3°C/1°C) [15:04] The average high for this date is 45°F (7°C), and the record of 55°F (12°C) was set in 2005. The average low is 30°F (-1°C), and the record of 19°F (-7°C) was set in 2004 [15:05] when does winter end? [15:06] oh winter has ended [15:06] damn [15:08] a balmy 36F [15:08] it's above 0c [15:08] so it's not "freezing" [15:08] @weather -v akl [15:09] Auckland International, New Zealand: Scattered Clouds 72°F (22°C), Humidity: 69%, Wind: From the North at 7 MPH, Pressure: 30.27inHg (1025mb) and holding, Dewpoint: 61°F (16°C), Visibility: 6Mi (10km), UV index: 3, Sunrise 06:38, Sunset: 18:08, Lunar phase: Full moon [15:09] Monday: Partly Cloudy 73°F/62°F (23°C/17°C) | Tuesday: Partly Cloudy 74°F/63°F (23°C/17°C) | Wednesday: Chance of Rain 75°F/63°F (24°C/17°C) | Thursday: Mostly Cloudy 74°F/64°F (23°C/18°C) [15:09] The average high for this date is 67°F (19°C), and the record of 75°F (23°C) was set in 1997. The average low is 55°F (12°C), and the record of 48°F (8°C) was set in 2004 [15:19] *** carvite has joined #arpnetworks [15:22] @weather [15:22] phlux: Fetching weather for your previous query (70458) [15:22] Slidell, LA: Rain ☂ 70°F (21°C), Humidity: 82%, Wind: Calm -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=30.281605,-89.773056 or re-request this with: @weather -v [15:22] we have similar weather, mercutio [15:23] @weather kaeg [15:23] There is 1 weather alert in effect for your area! There is a Fire Weather Warning, Fire Weather Watch. [15:23] Double Eagle Ii, NM: Clear 72°F (22°C), Humidity: 8%, Wind: From the West at 16 MPH Gusting to 22 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=, or re-request this with: @weather -v kaeg [15:23] @weather -v 70458 [15:23] Slidell, LA: Rain ☂ 70°F (21°C), Humidity: 82%, Wind: Calm, Pressure: 30.11inHg (1020mb) and rising, Dewpoint: 64°F (18°C), Visibility: 2Mi (3km), UV index: 0, Rainfall today: 0.09in (2mm), Sunrise 06:43, Sunset: 19:20, Lunar phase: Full moon [15:23] Sunday: Rain 74°F/67°F (23°C/19°C) | Monday: Overcast 79°F/69°F (26°C/21°C) | Tuesday: Mostly Cloudy 80°F/68°F (27°C/20°C) | Wednesday: Partly Cloudy 81°F/71°F (27°C/22°C) [15:23] The average high for this date is 76°F (24°C), and the record of 86°F (30°C) was set in 1982. The average low is 57°F (14°C), and the record of 39°F (3°C) was set in 1973 [15:24] phlux: yeh pretty moderate weather; but it's coming up to winter here [15:24] and so it was getting a little cooler, and now it seems fine. go figuure [15:26] i'm struggling way more than i should to pull openbsd src down with cvs to linux [15:29] i tried pulling it to my vm on arp but it crashed [15:30] oh woot it worked this time [15:31] You can also use cvsweb to poke around, until you get your OBSD system setup. [15:31] http://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/ [15:31] i have an openbsd vm setup [15:31] Ah OK good. [15:31] i have two copies, one with 5.6 one with snapshot [15:32] but i just figured.. it was easier not having source on there [15:32] i dnuno why [15:32] Heh. You'll probably want it on there if you do development ... [15:32] i should just nfs it [15:32] true [15:32] good point [15:33] i only gave it 3gb of disk though.. [15:33] actually i forgot, openbsd isn't as bloated as linux [15:34] I use 2G for /usr/src and for /usr/obj. [15:37] If you run out of /usr/obj you can do some hacks to get more space, but it's going to be your compilation bottleneck. [15:37] i think i will use tmpfs for /usr/obj [15:37] i duunno i don't find compiles slow on arp [15:37] Yeah that's a good idea. [15:37] not for sys/ [15:37] i've been using cusutom kernel forever [15:37] err i was i think i stopped [15:38] I've used GENERIC forever. [15:38] * mike-burns shrugs [15:38] well i was on 256mb when i started using arp [15:39] and having a kernel with usb etc seemed pointless. [16:20] crap it [16:21] who has an xperia M2 they want to test an AOSP 5.0.2 ROM on? [16:21] i dont want to deal with the asshats on XDA [16:21] i just want a handful of clued ups using the ROM to give me real feedback [16:22] i think the primary problem with virtio on openbsd is it was taken from freebsd [16:22] I like Sony for their openess [16:22] err netbsd, rather than freebsd. [16:22] grody: sony are open? [16:22] i have a motorola phone. [16:22] netbsd seemed to be leading in VM [16:22] mercutio, by force [16:22] Most of OpenBSD was taken from NetBSD! [16:23] but they have released code and blobs for phones they no longer support (officially) but give you means to compile latest AOSP gfor [16:23] well freebsd is more performance focused than netbsd. [16:23] i did just that for my M2 and OMG wow [16:23] it puts CM12 and Omni (ports) to shame [16:24] my main problem with android is google these days [16:24] freebsd is do it or die, netbsd is lets get exotic.. openbsd is do it right or die [16:24] at least how i see it [16:24] i have two vm's now. [16:24] so i can compile and scp :) [16:24] but freebsd is my home [16:24] but openbsd's long boot times are still annoying me :( [16:25] i dont care for open, never have [16:25] I really haven't noticed the boot time. How much faster are other OSes? [16:25] freebsd is equal all around in both native and virtuaal [16:26] but ima shuttup since i dont use open enough to make a detialed enough comment :) [16:26] i have netbsd use a lot, mostly from old virtuals [16:27] did for a whie have it running on my RS360 [16:27] RS600/360 [16:28] but i prefered it'd operational AIX 3.2.5 for nostalgic reasons [16:28] mike-burns: about 3 or 4 times? [16:28] Impressive. [16:28] linux is really fast at booting now days for a few reasons [16:28] openbsd seems to delay on floppy etc [16:29] and non of my custom linux kernels have floppy support [16:29] and those things are read from bios anyway [16:29] ? [16:29] I haven't seen a floppy delay. [16:29] oh? [16:29] But I'm not running in a VM. [16:29] does your box have fd0? [16:29]