phlux: I've been contacted by an event planner for the City of New Orleans who wants to hire me
I felt like a rock star all night. People coming up to meet me, people interrupting other people to say something or ask a question brycec: Congrats, phlux, great job :) phlux: Thanks man :) Very exciting times mercutio: phlux: congrats. phlux: thanks! ***: sorressean has joined #arpnetworks sorressean: Anyone had much experience with the arp dedicated boxes? I'm with OVH (soyoustart) right now, but various issues plus the fact that both my cards (different banks) classify them as high risk and require I call before transactions means I'm looking to switch. I pay $59 for 2 tb, 32 gb ram and a good processor, but I'd be willing to pay slightly more for less. 500 gb, 16 -8 gb (as long as I could add
more) etc. I know the plans are on the site, but they look a lot more expensive. mercutio: $59 seems insanely cheap
you pay $59 for 32gb ram atm? sorressean: mercutio: it comes with shitty support and high risk payment processing.
mercutio: so it can be cheap. but nods. $80 would be fine even, but the cheapest arp is $129. mercutio: there may be a deal on wht?
but i doubt it'd be like $80 sorressean: Yeah. I just need to keep it low. I'm a student and mainly use the box for dev/other stuff plus email and etc. I was on VPS for a while, but my stuff got to big for it. mercutio: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1468944&highlight=arpnetworks sorressean: oh snap.
<3 mercutio: google didn't find it
i had to search on wht itself sorressean: ah nods. that's what I was googling. I appreciate it, thanks. :)
Now I need to justify $30 extra. :p mercutio: heh.
what makes it too big for vm? sorressean: mercutio: my stuff runs about 2-3 gb memory. also I do a lot of compilation. most vps systems only offer 1 core or extras are like really expensive. mercutio: ahh i see sorressean: On the bright side I could get an ssd. that'd be nifty. mercutio: yeh ssd's are the future :)
now days whenever i use a hard-disk system it usually seems slow.
although arch linux seems a lot faster installing packages on hard-disk raid than ubuntu on ssd
(dpkg fsyncs all the time, so is especially slow on hard-disks, but it also seems to be a resource hog in general) brycec: That is a spiffy deal. Looks like Garry resurrects it periodically too. mercutio: heh whenever i see a coupon section on a web site, i seem to end up seraching for a coupon code.
some local places have free shipping sometimes with a code. BryceBot: That's what she said!! mercutio: but google isn't always wonderful at finding codes. sorressean: yeah, I'm loving this arp metal deal
once finals are over I'll switch over.
I also get amazing bandwidth. soyoustart only gives you 250 mbps.
and I'm sold at ipmi. :p mercutio: hmm soyoustart looks like they're using desktops?
E3 1225v2
the 5 at the end suggests onboard video sorressean: I'm not really sure what they're using. the arp servers are .2 ghz faster and newer processors though. mercutio: arp are i7-3770 equivilents afaik
e3 1225v2 is i5 something sorressean: nods.
plus ssd. mercutio: heh sorressean: I might need to throw in an extra $10 for another 8 gb, though.
My memory usage right now is about 10 gb. mercutio: yeah i would sorressean: Also on the bright side... I can just blacklist all of OVH.
I get so much spam from them and I'm blacklisted by a couple services I've ran into. mercutio: weird sorressean: It's their vps systems. I guess they're good platforms.
but the turnaround doesn't help. they've replied to spam reports with it's to much work because they just buy new ones, so they just let it go. :p mercutio: that's why instant provisioning is bad sorressean: the fact that I'm having flags on my card makes me think stolen cards are being used, too. mercutio: not necessarily sorressean: mercutio: Linode does insta provisioning. Never seen much spam from them. mercutio: i had fraud used on my card once. ant: mercutio: re ovh/soyoustart server components: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y47RM9zylFY . with their low prices they cannot waste the space/cooling energy needed for desktops. they don't even use regular 19" servers.... BryceBot: YouTube Tech: "OVH.COM : How our servers come to be" by OVH COM (1m 38s), 25,949 views, 63 likes and 4 dislikes. Uploaded 2013-01-11T13:52:29.000Z. mercutio: sorressean: they may stop it quickly.
ant: haha sorressean: oh, they do. mercutio: so the onboard video is because of motherboard sorressean: ant: what servers do they use? (Blind, so I can't see the pic). Just curious what the setup is. mercutio: it's actually more efficient ant: sorressean: completely custom built mercutio: sorressean: it's like google used to do afaik
ie stacks of motherboards with custom power sorressean: dam. that is slightly impressive. mercutio: with no cases. sorressean: Mostly just their quantity of servers. mercutio: apparently servers around the world are a huge power hog.
like data centre power usage in general is a worldwide issue
i think it was something stupid like 15% of power usage or something sorressean: Oh yeah... Look at google.
Their power usage is at the top of everyone's list. mercutio: ok looks like it could be e%
err 3%
although most data centres aren't in most locations
so i imagine in some areas it's much higher and some much lower. sorressean: Yeah, there's just huge clusters in a lot of areas. mercutio: generally where power is cheap
or cooling is cheap :) sorressean: How is arp hosted? Does he just do collocation?
mercutio: or there's a good connection mercutio: he's got a cage at err coresite?
there's like 3 data centres, and i'm not sure which it's at .
sorressean: multiple upstream providers. brycec: Simply - yes, a cage in a colocation facility in Los Angeles
All his own gear inside the cage. sorressean: ah nods. was just curious how that worked. didn't think arp was big enough for a dc. brycec: Not of their own. You've got to be *huge* to justify that cost. mercutio: sorressean: that's what cages are for
brycec: not necessarily actually
you have to be huge to have a /good/ data centre.
like it'd probably be cheaper to build your own data centre for arp :/ brycec: Well technically... As opposed to a "datacentre" that is just your garage :p mercutio: with fibre to his house or something
but it wouldn't make it a good data centre. brycec: mercutio: Except then he couldn't have his peering+interconnects mercutio: and then you'd struggle with fibre diversity
brycec: you can cross connect it sorressean: Yeah, I don't think linode even has a dc and they're big. they just rent space. mercutio: yeah i wouldn't recommend having your own dc usually
especially somewhere like los angeles. sorressean: Well, it's not a problem I need to worry about...
It'd be fun to intern doing administration/working in a dc though. Sadly boston doesn't have anything like that. -: mercutio cares more than he should about fibre diversity mercutio: sorressean: it oculd do
i hate datacentres myself :) BryceBot: That's what she said!! mercutio: i want to say i like ipmi...
but ipmi can be a pita too
arp preconfigures ipmi to work with serial etc sorressean: mercutio: I just want the experience. always been interested in administration/doing stuff like that. I could get a job writing software, but server stuff has always been more fun. mercutio: which surprised me sorressean: mercutio: yeah, my experiences with it aren't fun. mercutio: i just assume things won't be setup :)
sorressean: i love to see people who do sys admin, programming, networks, servers etc.
like the whole lot sorressean: mercutio: nods. I'm kind of into all three. mercutio: there's kind of this big divide between programming and admin normally.
where people seem to want to do either, but not both sorressean: but there's not really many admin jobs here. so I'll probably be sititng in a cubical writing code for some corporate service. mercutio: sorressean: where are you?
all the programming jobs that i notice seem to want to use .net, php, etc. sorressean: mercutio: I've noticed that, it's sort of weird. Especially since the sys admins would be really qualified to fix stuff. mercutio: java sorressean: mercutio: Boston mercutio: ie nothing i'd want to touch
sorressean: oh yeah
maybe you ushould move? BryceBot: That's what she said!! brycec: mercutio: except where the two overlap in "devops" :p mercutio: brycec: no-one knows what devops is :) mike-burns: sorressean: One Summer St doesn't have internships? mercutio: i used to do programming
now i've kind of shifted to sys admin
it's actually hard to do both at once, as programming likes big long stretches of time.. mike-burns: Yeah, I'm down to 1-2 days/wk of programming (at work), and it's a struggle to concentrate. sorressean: mike-burns: I didn't even realize they were here. I'm newish to the area. I'd looked around and didn't find data centers except for a couple and I applied there. mike-burns: sorressean: which school are you at?
(I'm from Boston ...) sorressean: mike-burns: Wentworth. mike-burns: Aha. brycec: I know exactly that struggle, mike-burns sorressean: mike-burns: Nothing amazing. I got accepted to BC, but I don't have 60k a year. :| mike-burns: Ha yeah.
WIT is good, too.
Though I know surprisingly little about it. sorressean: mike-burns: you're familiar? mike-burns: I went to Northeastern U. sorressean: Ah, awesome. mike-burns: easymac: didn't you go to Wentworth? sorressean: I didn't really apply there for some reason. I figured I'd get less support than I would have from BC mike-burns: I'm mostly curious whether Wentworth has a sysadmin group, or some way for them to bridge the gap between students and the real world. mercutio: what's a sysadmin group? sorressean: mike-burns: not really. my networking course (req for cs) did a lot of unix stuff, but it was mostly ls, echo, vi.
I was trying to set up a cs organization and got bogged down with work. brycec: (Oh man, if all I needed for network administration were ls, echo and vi... lol) mike-burns: mercutio: we had one at Northeastern U. We'd basically be free labor for the school's IT department. We were in charge of e.g. replacing Solaris with Debian (I lost the BSD fight ...), figuring out LDAP, and so on. mercutio: mike-burns: with no pay? mike-burns: You bet'cha. Nada. sorressean: Yeah... Well, it took the students forever to get it. I don't even want to go into how long subnet masks took. mercutio: that sucks. brycec: aka "unpaid internship" sorressean: 3 weeks of subnet masks and binary and the same thing over and over... mercutio: sorressean: i'm always surprised to see programmers struggle with netmasks mike-burns: https://wiki.ccs.neu.edu/display/Crew/Home - this is their (new) Web site. mercutio: i shouldn't be. sorressean: mercutio: silly mercutio ! You don't do bit operations in java! You just code and pray.
also copypaste seems to be a favorite here.
"How did you make that work?" "Uh, I don't know. stackoverflow." mike-burns: Most programmers don't do bit operations often, so it makes sense that they're unpracticed at netmasks. mercutio: haha.
yeah i think it's because programming went higher level. sorressean: really? I used bit stuff in my toy OS a lot.
also for flags in my game engine. mercutio: sorressean: toy OS? mike-burns: Most coders aren't being paid to work on toy OSes ... sorressean: mercutio: only really got to paging, but I learned a lot. just had more important things to hack on. mercutio: sorressean: that's further than i got :)
i was trying to get a network file system working.. sorressean: mike-burns: No, I just assumed CS students would know about it. I wouldn't be surprised to know someone writing PHP for 10 years didn't remember much bbinary. mercutio: but i was struggling at network card stuff.
damnit, now i want to try again.
it'd be easier with xen/kvm/etc now. sorressean: mercutio: It's fun, but it's a lot of work. I learned a ton though. mike-burns: mercutio: or contribute your skills to an existing OS? OpenBSD could always use more contributors ... sorressean: mercutio: It was my project while I sat in c++ class. :p mercutio: mike-burns: i'm thinking about doing a network card driver for openbsd.
but it's a wee way off.
openbsd has no support for mellanox ethernet. mike-burns: NIC drivers for OBSD are pretty straightforward, from what I've seen. mercutio: freebsd does.
err at least i think freebsd does. mike-burns: There was a post to misc@ about those cards about a month ago. Did you see that? Was that you? mercutio: the linux drivers are dual licensed, gpl/bsd though anyway.
mike-burns: didn't see it. mike-burns: http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=142542065803121&w=2 mercutio: i'm getting a couple more BryceBot: openbsd-misc: "OpenBSD and 40G/100G ethernet cards" from Theron ZORBAS <theronzorbas () yahoo ! com> @ 2015-03-03 22:09:11 mercutio: oh i'm getting connectx-2 with only do 10gbe
not 40gb
connectx-3 cost /way/ more mike-burns: reyk@'s response applies just the same. mercutio: intel 10gbe is way more expensive. mike-burns: The NIC driver stack in OBSD is nice, clear OO C -- people are always improving it. The mouse/input device stack, OTOH, ... it needs love. mercutio: i expect if getting connectx-2 to go connectx-3 should be easy.
mike-burns: my problem is i'm interested in areas that it looks like openbsd isn't so much :)
like i'd like to get openbsd to boot quicker. mike-burns: I'm sure they wouldn't mind a patch that made it boot faster. mercutio: yeah the problem is things like that need huge changes. mike-burns: Oh. They might want some smaller patches first ... mercutio: heh.
like an ethernet card driver? mike-burns: Yes. mercutio: but yeah i'd be interested in making network stack faster too. mike-burns: mpi@ is working on that and he'd love some help. mercutio: and getting support for 10gbe cards that i have would make that easier.
it's a wee way off sorressean: I want to contribute to BSD. but I'd need some sort of vm to make it happen and there's no tts to install it.
There's an image on the site f for vmware, but you need working eyeballs to enable ssh. mercutio: sorressean: i'm kind of thinking vt-d/vm is the way to go to do network stuff now :)
well that and a dual boot other computer
what is tts?
openbsd performance sucked on vmware last i tried it.
but it was easy to get going. sorressean: mercutio: yeah, makes sense to just test there. I just wanted a vm so I could go back to a snapshot if I broke something. mike-burns: Text-to-speech. mercutio: oh right. sorressean: mercutio: speech install. I'm blind, so I need some sort of speech. on servers it's not bad, but if you're installing bsd yourself you need a speech output. Most linux distros have it. mercutio: sorressean: so you have no vision at all? sorressean: mercutio: well, I can see light. but that's about it mercutio: sorressean: ahh ok, one legally blind guy i knew could still use a magnifying glass.. sorressean: Yeah, no magnification for me. :p mercutio: i think legally blind is like < 10% or < 5% vision
but seeing only light sounds very difficult. sorressean: I'm not really sure. there's a lot of "legally blind" people I know that have a lot of vision still. mercutio: has text to speech got better? i've found it very painful when i've tried it. mike-burns: If you run a VM inside an OS with a great, working TTS, can that TTS system read the text inside the VM? sorressean: it depends what you use. It's not music to my earholes, but it's not aweful. mike-burns: (Are there great, working TTSes? I do tend to assume that all software sucks/is broken ...) sorressean: mike-burns: the best one for me is eloquence, but it's hard to use in a lot of places since someone put a patent on it. You can get it to work on linux, but you need to use a glibc from like 2001... lots of people like ESpeak, but it's to harsh for me. mercutio: sorressean: did someone help get tts setup for you? sorressean: mercutio: I'm on windows atm. it's easy enoujgh. on linux it comes native with installs on most distros.
enough* mercutio: tts "just works" on linux? sorressean: yep. debian has it, ubuntu has it mercutio: "narrator" sounds very bad to me whenever i accidentally start it
ahh ok sorressean: yeah, I don't use narrator. :) mercutio: heh.
sorressean: are you using speech recognition too? sorressean: mercutio: no. mercutio: i just figure if you hear, you may want to talk, rather than type.
but i suppose that correlation doesn't exist for you.
do you use any kind of braille-type systems? m0unds: phlux: that's awesome, congrats on a show well-done :) sorressean: I use a braille display for physics, but that's about it. mercutio: hmm, is easter not a holiday at all in the US?
i was surprised that usps did pickups on "good friday" but tracking said movement today (which should be easter sunday) too. sorressean: Yeah, we don't really care about easter. people celebrate, but it's on Sunday. mercutio: here places liek the supermarket aren't open. mike-burns: My city is deserted this whole weekend. It's kinda nice, in an apocalyptic kinda way. mercutio: it's about as holidayish as christmas here for what's open m0unds: wally world is open, but most of the grocery stores here are closed
and lots of stuff just usually isn't open/has limited hours sundays anyway mercutio: supermarkets here seem to usually be open the same hours every day m0unds: here, they just close slightly earlier (e.g. instead of midnight, they close at 2200) mercutio: oh ok my supermarket is only open 7 am to 10 pm
and didn't seem to change. i was waiting until it got to 7 am to go to supermarket.
now it's 7:30 :) m0unds: the ones i shop at are usually 0600-2200 and one has weird hours, like 0657-2106 or something mercutio: where i used to live there was a 24 hour supermarket m0unds: oh, changed - 0800-2104 and 0800-1906
haha mercutio: but it's usuually holidays i want to go at odd times m0unds: walmart grocery stores here are 24h mercutio: and it'd shut earlier those times often
m0unds: that's just bizzare m0unds: only part of it that isn't open 24h is the pharmacy
liquor section closes at 0200 mercutio: i don't know much about walmart
i didn't know they had a pharmacy. m0unds: neither do i aside from those two things because i used to shop there more often when i worked nights
haven't really been in the last 3-4 years phlux: thanks, m0unds
maybe one day i'll be touring in california, and i'll give arpnetworks a shoutout and no one will know wtf i'm talking about :P mercutio: it's kind of scary when googling for "openbsd network performance" comes up with calomel.org as the top link
damn openbsd's network performance under kvm is worse than i thought it'd be
even gigabit it uses up 130% cpu with 1 vcpu on a g3258 ***: dj_goku has joined #arpnetworks
dj_goku_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) m0unds: ouch mercutio: it seems that 130% is actually a common amount of cpu for kvm to use
also when booting smp kernel on openbsd it uses 200% cpu with 2 cpu cores.
when rebooting 100% etc ***: carvite has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) mercutio: it's one of those things that only matter for power use / virtual environments
and power draw is higher on inititally turning on i imagine mnathani_: @weather -v yyz BryceBot: Toronto-Pearson International, Ontario: Overcast ☁ 36°F (2°C), Humidity: 75%, Wind: From the South at 6 MPH, Pressure: 30.17inHg (1021mb) and holding, Dewpoint: 28°F (-2°C), Feels like 31°F (-1°C), Visibility: 15Mi (24km), UV index: 1, Sunrise 06:53, Sunset: 19:49, Lunar phase: Full moon
Sunday: Chance of Snow 36°F/32°F (2°C/0°C) | Monday: Snow Showers 46°F/35°F (8°C/2°C) | Tuesday: Chance of Rain 42°F/32°F (6°C/0°C) | Wednesday: Rain 38°F/33°F (3°C/1°C)
The average high for this date is 45°F (7°C), and the record of 55°F (12°C) was set in 2005. The average low is 30°F (-1°C), and the record of 19°F (-7°C) was set in 2004 mercutio: when does winter end?
oh winter has ended
damn m0unds: a balmy 36F mercutio: it's above 0c
so it's not "freezing"
@weather -v akl BryceBot: Auckland International, New Zealand: Scattered Clouds 72°F (22°C), Humidity: 69%, Wind: From the North at 7 MPH, Pressure: 30.27inHg (1025mb) and holding, Dewpoint: 61°F (16°C), Visibility: 6Mi (10km), UV index: 3, Sunrise 06:38, Sunset: 18:08, Lunar phase: Full moon
Monday: Partly Cloudy 73°F/62°F (23°C/17°C) | Tuesday: Partly Cloudy 74°F/63°F (23°C/17°C) | Wednesday: Chance of Rain 75°F/63°F (24°C/17°C) | Thursday: Mostly Cloudy 74°F/64°F (23°C/18°C)
The average high for this date is 67°F (19°C), and the record of 75°F (23°C) was set in 1997. The average low is 55°F (12°C), and the record of 48°F (8°C) was set in 2004 ***: carvite has joined #arpnetworks phlux: @weather BryceBot: phlux: Fetching weather for your previous query (70458)
Slidell, LA: Rain ☂ 70°F (21°C), Humidity: 82%, Wind: Calm -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=30.281605,-89.773056 or re-request this with: @weather -v phlux: we have similar weather, mercutio m0unds: @weather kaeg BryceBot: There is 1 weather alert in effect for your area! There is a Fire Weather Warning, Fire Weather Watch.
Double Eagle Ii, NM: Clear 72°F (22°C), Humidity: 8%, Wind: From the West at 16 MPH Gusting to 22 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=, or re-request this with: @weather -v kaeg phlux: @weather -v 70458 BryceBot: Slidell, LA: Rain ☂ 70°F (21°C), Humidity: 82%, Wind: Calm, Pressure: 30.11inHg (1020mb) and rising, Dewpoint: 64°F (18°C), Visibility: 2Mi (3km), UV index: 0, Rainfall today: 0.09in (2mm), Sunrise 06:43, Sunset: 19:20, Lunar phase: Full moon
Sunday: Rain 74°F/67°F (23°C/19°C) | Monday: Overcast 79°F/69°F (26°C/21°C) | Tuesday: Mostly Cloudy 80°F/68°F (27°C/20°C) | Wednesday: Partly Cloudy 81°F/71°F (27°C/22°C)
The average high for this date is 76°F (24°C), and the record of 86°F (30°C) was set in 1982. The average low is 57°F (14°C), and the record of 39°F (3°C) was set in 1973 mercutio: phlux: yeh pretty moderate weather; but it's coming up to winter here
and so it was getting a little cooler, and now it seems fine. go figuure
i'm struggling way more than i should to pull openbsd src down with cvs to linux
i tried pulling it to my vm on arp but it crashed
oh woot it worked this time mike-burns: You can also use cvsweb to poke around, until you get your OBSD system setup.
http://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/ mercutio: i have an openbsd vm setup mike-burns: Ah OK good. mercutio: i have two copies, one with 5.6 one with snapshot
but i just figured.. it was easier not having source on there
i dnuno why mike-burns: Heh. You'll probably want it on there if you do development ... mercutio: i should just nfs it
true
good point
i only gave it 3gb of disk though..
actually i forgot, openbsd isn't as bloated as linux mike-burns: I use 2G for /usr/src and for /usr/obj.
If you run out of /usr/obj you can do some hacks to get more space, but it's going to be your compilation bottleneck. mercutio: i think i will use tmpfs for /usr/obj
i duunno i don't find compiles slow on arp mike-burns: Yeah that's a good idea. mercutio: not for sys/
i've been using cusutom kernel forever
err i was i think i stopped mike-burns: I've used GENERIC forever. -: mike-burns shrugs mercutio: well i was on 256mb when i started using arp
and having a kernel with usb etc seemed pointless. grody: crap it
who has an xperia M2 they want to test an AOSP 5.0.2 ROM on?
i dont want to deal with the asshats on XDA
i just want a handful of clued ups using the ROM to give me real feedback mercutio: i think the primary problem with virtio on openbsd is it was taken from freebsd grody: I like Sony for their openess mercutio: err netbsd, rather than freebsd.
grody: sony are open?
i have a motorola phone. grody: netbsd seemed to be leading in VM
mercutio, by force mike-burns: Most of OpenBSD was taken from NetBSD! grody: but they have released code and blobs for phones they no longer support (officially) but give you means to compile latest AOSP gfor mercutio: well freebsd is more performance focused than netbsd. grody: i did just that for my M2 and OMG wow
it puts CM12 and Omni (ports) to shame mercutio: my main problem with android is google these days grody: freebsd is do it or die, netbsd is lets get exotic.. openbsd is do it right or die
at least how i see it mercutio: i have two vm's now.
so i can compile and scp :) grody: but freebsd is my home mercutio: but openbsd's long boot times are still annoying me :( grody: i dont care for open, never have mike-burns: I really haven't noticed the boot time. How much faster are other OSes? grody: freebsd is equal all around in both native and virtuaal
but ima shuttup since i dont use open enough to make a detialed enough comment :)
i have netbsd use a lot, mostly from old virtuals
did for a whie have it running on my RS360
RS600/360
but i prefered it'd operational AIX 3.2.5 for nostalgic reasons mercutio: mike-burns: about 3 or 4 times? mike-burns: Impressive. mercutio: linux is really fast at booting now days for a few reasons
openbsd seems to delay on floppy etc
and non of my custom linux kernels have floppy support
and those things are read from bios anyway grody: ? mike-burns: I haven't seen a floppy delay. mercutio: oh? mike-burns: But I'm not running in a VM. grody: does your box have fd0? mercutio: fdc0 at isa0 port 0x3f0/6 irq 6 drq 2
arouudn there grody: eek mike-burns: Well there you go. mercutio: you might not notice grody: diable that shit in BIOS if you dont has one mercutio: i don't care uunless i'm rebooting all the time and watching it
it's kvm grody mike-burns: dmesg | grep fd0 grody: ah mike-burns: ~% mercutio: actually why does kvm say there's a floppy mike-burns: You have a floppy device in your VM. mercutio: fd0 at fdc0 drive 1: density unknown
weird i didn't add it grody: old skewl reasons.. vbox used to do same until i removed it mike-burns: Mine never hangs while detecting the floppy, because I don't have one.
I mean, it used to, but that was 1997. grody: Hyper-V 2012 is kinda nice as it implores new hardware, but damn if anything non-MS supports it mercutio: linuux 2.0 used to boot slower because of slow video console
it was kind of lame :/
yeah this is default kvm
but with virtio network/disk grody: they removed all the older stuff found in generic VM for compat and what not and replaced it, run a win7 in a Hyper-V 2012, it runs a shit load better than any Linux > Windows para/vm
oddly i still find FreeBSD runs faster under windows hosts than Linux hosts :/
(vbox/vmware/xen) mercutio: hmm openbsd reboot time is around 30 seconds
from ping to ping
linux reboot time is around 8 seconds ping to ping
freebsd on xen works ok
you have to use HVM though
with the PVHVM drivers
i haven't tried the hybrid thing yet grody: question, what happens if one meets their data quota?
my freebsd is back connective in 80 seconds on ARP
if i reboot
at least, i was the last time and that was a mahor rehaul
crap.. whats a good download site.. i have just built a stupidly stable AOSP for my phone and want others to have it.. but it's 460MB a shot
my pogoplug wont handle being raped that much BryceBot: That's what she said!! grody: thats just wrong on so many levels mercutio: grody: i think you get a warning grody: i think i consider myself warned mercutio: grody: just stick it on bittorrent? grody: hmm, good thinking batman
a reliable torcache?
i dont use them often mercutio: you don't need one
just use a magnet link grody: hmm, seems like a little effort
cheers :) mercutio: i can seed it a bit if you want grody: i have a good upload too, thanks.. will work on it now
im wondering if i should start an XDA thread or not, would like to keep the testing to people who actually have a clue
im running it and it seems to Just Work (minus camera but thatas a known issue even with Sony) mercutio: just start a xda thread :/ grody: data/call/sms/video/3D all works
i have been thumbing that idea for a day now
but i see a lot of twats testing the current ROMs and being trollbait
i've only seen on productive thread
one*
and thats for CM12, which is shot to shit for this device
all i did was followed Sony's guide and made a barebones LP for it
and shit me.. wow BryceBot: That's what she said!! grody: thats what i said! mercutio: i wish there were non-google alternate phone books, calling programs etc.
so you could have google-free android
complete open source grody: that would be nice mercutio: i mean you coudl still have play store etc on top
but not /need/ them grody: question.. if i magnet this, i really want it on a torrent system NOT behind a NAT and open access, right (my NAT is weird and isn't uPnP compat) mercutio: is this android 5.1? grody: nah, 5.0.2 -- barebones so it can be xPosed (which works) mercutio: as long as you're on a tracker it should be fine grody: k, will use super.grody
that thing is a NATless whore
how it copes beats the shizzal outta me mercutio: bittorrent copes pretty well with NAT generally
as UDP hole puunching works everywhere grody: super.grody is a stateless/NATless netwhoring box i use for randoms
it just sits there and puts up with the BS i throw at it.. quite admirable mercutio: 18 seconds, better than 30 at least. mike-burns: There are alternatives to all of the Google apps, though they're mostly only available via Google Play. grody: oh wow that was clever mike-burns: RedPhone, TextSecure, Fruux, OpenCamera, FreeOTP to name a few. grody: i just sent the file to it over a frikken wifi
2% 84MB 2.6MB/s 03:37 ETA
thats as fast as this POS goes on this wifi :( mercutio: heh
is it wireless g? grody: CM does a good job of leaving out google.. but then if you want things funky, you need to install xposed, mod the Will Work Without Google Services (or whatever) plugin, then sideload everything.. there are some alernative makets but heh
nah it's n-draft
wont do more than 50mbit/s
its connected at 75/30 atm accoding to wifi
but phys speed versus connect speed on wifi is usually 50% phys of connect
only got a few devicues here using 150 and only two using (connectedd at 266 oddly) 300
even on 300 i only see 90mbit phys
100% 648MB 2.6MB/s 04:11
tbh, thats about my upload speed at home in peak anyway mercutio: on 300 megabit i can see 200 megabit+ grody: until we get fttp, i have to contend with vDSL mercutio: actually i think that was udp single direction grody: i get as fast a sync as possible on this tech too mercutio: 2.6mb/sec isn't bad
i'm spending way too long trying to get a minimak openbsd kernel grody: well, thats including if i (NAT) upload bomd, or trunk the second line splitting IP4/6
i get 79.7 down 19.9 up on vDSL and a cable/eDOCSIS at 50/5 mercutio: ahh ok
ipv6 on the cable?
hwy do you have cable and vdsl? grody: my torrentor sits on IP4/6 and each one takes a different pipe (6 DOCIS 4 vDSL do can utilise speed of both if using both protos)
s/do/so BryceBot: <grody> my torrentor sits on IP4/6 and each one takes a different pipe (6 DOCIS 4 vDSL so can utilise speed of both if using both protos) grody: im surprised that works.. not i uploaded it to my torrentor.. i need to find which console it's attached too, i have no VNC or remote to it other than sshfs mike-burns: What's a minimal OpenBSD kernel? And, that's the wrong path to go down. mercutio: one without fdc audio etc mike-burns: -DSMALL ?
I've never built a SMALL, but also you're going to be disappointed with the results.
There's not really a lot of bloat in OpenBSD. mercutio: just without unneeded drivers for virtual environments. mike-burns: I look forward to the benchmarks. mercutio: i got down to 18 second boot from 30 before mike-burns: What did you change? mercutio: disabled fdc and some other things
then i disabled osmething else and it didn't obot
boot
didn't boot with no error messages :( mike-burns: Are you using config(8)? mercutio: yeah
and make clean mike-burns: I meant the boot_config(8) part of it. mercutio: well non generic isn't supported
boot_config? mike-burns: Since non-GENERIC isn't supported, you can disable devices on the kernel using config(8). See boot_config(8) and config(8) for more. mercutio: oh right grody: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:436fd4655aef5223ba4e73bf2ff2d5aba64fb98f&dn=AOSP-5.0.2-D2303.zip mercutio: isnt' that per boot? grody: curious if that works mike-burns: "Changes made can be saved for the next reboot, by using config(8)," to quote the man page. mercutio: yeah seems to grody: cool ty.. will start an XDA thread mercutio: did openbsd go tickless?
wow i had 128mb kvm instance for openbsd adn didn't even notice mike-burns: So far as I know, it's not tickless. mercutio: vmstat 1 shows 0 or 1 interrupt/sec when idle
i think it doesn't count the clock as an interrupt grody: http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-m2/general/aosp-5-0-2-d2303-progress-t3073842
damn that is a horrid forum to post to
gawd damn this thing is fast now
lacking the epic camera it has is a pitfall, but damned it is smooth
its like it pre-empts my tapping and knows where i wanna go mercutio: i've found all phones kind of slow :( grody: i dont get why the top devels failed to get CM/PAC/Omni on it w/o all the uhwtfs mercutio: some are faster than others, .. but it's never instant all the time grody: yea this was, i can feel a difference mercutio: well not like ssd instant grody: wait a few months when i've modded it to stupid and i bet it pisses me off royally
im actually surprised how easy Sony made that for me
although it took a tri-core 2.6GHz with a -4 best part of 9 hours to build
-j4*
thank fook for ccache mercutio: tri-core? grody: failed quad core with dity bios hack to disable faulty core mercutio: ahh grody: at least thats how i interpreted them
some bioses let you re-enable it
but to hell with that, three are enough mercutio: i find it curious how fast g3258s are
i wish they supported vt-d though :(
but for a dual core cpu without much cache it does amazing grody: shyte load of cache is probably it's benefactor mercutio: even at things like compiling grody: this tri core has 3M, 1M per core mercutio: cache size: 3072 KB
so does this g3258 it seems grody: and i have a dual with 1M, 512 pc.. that i can feel the punch on mercutio: it's 8mb cache on i7s grody: my opterons have 8mb
but they are 8cores
1M pc again mercutio: it's faster than my quad core amd cpu grody: big mistake going this way mercutio: and ram speed is amazing grody: was cheaper, but frack is the performance way under par mercutio: amd's have really slow high latency ram access
they used to be good at things like video etc which stayed in cache grody: but i find AMD chips work better when used as a (micro)HPC with Kepla CUDA support mercutio: but now they have integer units double fp units or something
i found my video performance improved with g3258 too grody: Intels seems to strain some with CUDA/OpenCL on nVidia kit mercutio: yeah i haven't done cuda
but for 2d desktop usage intel was faster.
open source vs open source grody: i carried out a "project" to build "cheap" HPC's mercutio: even my r9 290 seems slow with 2d with linux open source drivers. grody: 5k was as cheap as it could get really mercutio: they just fixed it upu so that line drawing isn't insanely slow grody: but my ideas were vividly awakening to a dull audience mercutio: but it used to be like 3 fps dragging a window title around in notion window manager
not even the whole window, just the title grody: i actually use CUDA/OpenCL to brute my wifi PSKs
idea being i change my wireless passwords before they find them mercutio: why not just run cable? grody: im a sucker for convienience
i have cable outlets in all rooms, but wifi is just there and only needs a password
not a cable
tbh, even cabling in, you need to find the right VLAN to use and hope your mac is authd BryceBot: That's what she said!! grody: that bot needs it's parameters redfined mnathani_: BryceBot: no BryceBot: Oh, okay... I'm sorry. 'tbh, even cabling in, you need to find the right VLAN to use and hope your mac is authd'
That human needs its grammar redefined.
That human needs _its_ grammar redefined. staticsafe: calm down BryceBot BryceBot: NO! I will not take this abuse! brycec: <.<
>.> -: brycec is carrying out his own brute-force brycec: A website I use identifies users by a random string that happens to be the same length as an md5 hash, so I've written a simple little python script to hash all 4 billion IP's and see if any hash matches an IP
er, see if any IP matches a given hash
(If the website is smart, they've salted the hash...)
(or they're not hashing the IP, either way)
All 4 cores at 3.4GHz, GO!
Ooh in retrospect, I could through my 7870 at this too with oclhashcat, hm staticsafe: heh brycec: *throw -: BryceBot slaps brycec, "You know better." brycec: Hm, can I? Do I have OpenCL if I'm running radeon and not catalyst? Let's find out! grody: it can dramatically increase that kind of computational speed
radeon in this netbook can do opencl
6310 mercutio: wow that's low end grody: it's 3 years old!
and was a prime example of if this does opencl...
:P mercutio: the new amd HSA stuff sounds pretty cool
i have a8 or something cpu that has opencl grody: my most powerful box @home is the tricore BryceBot: That's what she said!! mercutio: a8-7600
g3258s are pretty cheap :/ brycec: "AMD users require Catalyst 14.9 exactly" coupled with the error "ERROR: No AMD/SDS compatible platform found" suggests that's a no-go for oclHashcat mercutio: cheaper than a8-7600 grody: even thats a coupole years old mercutio: brycec: i got that going without catalyst
or some demo hsa thing
with a name equally as bizzare grody: yea hella old, Phenom II N830
then an E2220 dual core, then this lappy mercutio: ahh it's like a core2duo
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Pentium+G3258+%40+3.20GHz
g3258 is over twice as fsat without overclocking
and they overclock well -: grody looks at his blade of microHPCs mercutio: they also have better fans than the amd cpus
i was surprised how bad the a8's fan was. grody: they all run dual 8 cores (4 of 'em) and 2xnVidia K20's mercutio: probably use a lot of power
ddr2 or ddr3? grody: thats where my crunching goes, mostly leased out though
ddr3 ofc, even ssd now mercutio: nice grody: yea i has one to my larry mercutio: ddr2 opterons were a lot cheaper because they didn't need fbdimm's. grody: the rest are being pounded mercutio: i'm still trying to figure out if there's any easy way to improve openbsd's virtio network performance grody: tbh i've never been hot on the heels of such things mercutio: it seems the most important thing to do is implement gso
but i imagine openbsd isn't doing that in general. grody: although one customer did point out a very good point to get me upgraded to a certain mobo mercutio: how?
i just realised the cool thing about amd cpu's is they all do vt-d grody: was a variety of g34's to go for and they pointed out one that was cheap, and did the job (and has held rock solid)
cleverly got me to avoid the Asus line mercutio: motherboards don't seem to have improved much grody: not really no mercutio: i use asrock for desktop boards. grody: the tyans were a fraction of the price, but seem to outperform mercutio: i've only tried contacting gigabyte and asrock
and asrock were /way/ better to deal with
and actually fixed my issue
tyan seem pretty similar to supermicro from what i understand grody: pretty much yea mercutio: did you hera bout how intel got into making motherboards because of quality control issues ? grody: wow mercutio: all the motherboards were low quality BryceBot: That's what she said!! mercutio: so they came and did their own BryceBot: That's what she said!! grody: sounds like back in the day of "PC Chips" motherboards mercutio: but they're exiting doing that now
that's about when it was i think :) grody: clones of clones that were fire hazards waiting to happen mercutio: amd did the same thing though
remember via ? :) grody: lol mercutio: and what was that other crappy chipset
so amd just made their own chipsets
and intel still make their own chipsets. grody: SiS mercutio: the main issue is that intel ethernet is generalyl recommended by most people grody: HAHAHA mercutio: and i don't think amd want to stick intel ethernet on boards. grody: i had one of their mobos on a cyrix cpu
damned was they cirsed days mercutio: ahh grody: cursed too mercutio: yeh
i had a via motherboard
with via rhine ethernet
it was even worse than realtek grody: rhineII in my thin is actually not too bad.. it can do 80mbit then it's whapped
</sarcasm> mercutio: realtek aren't too bad now BryceBot: That's what she said!! mercutio: thjey don't do coalescing grody: i switched to mostly intel mercutio: but it doesn't matter for desktops that much really
i have mellanox, intel, broadcom.
and realtek grody: ralink and atheros for wifi and intel/d-link for networking
but dlink uses atheros switch chips anywho mercutio: my wifi is atheros and intel
yeah atheros are huuuge
hardly anyone knows about them grody: part of qualcomm or in bed with no? mercutio: but most dsl modems, switches, wifi routers etc uuse them grody: never can keep up with all these vendors mercutio: qualcomm bought them out grody: there we go mercutio: and mips is still huge
but everyhone talks about arm grody: most modems ive come across have been bcom mercutio: broadcom and atheros both use mips grody: although my vDSL is heuwei, but uses some weird chip mercutio: oh yeah for modems broadcom is common
huewei uuse broadcom often
youu know why broadcom are big?
they integrated dsl chip and cpu in one chip
so it's single chip grody: proprietary sweetys for the kiddies in the market?
ahh SoC style mercutio: yeah
but it means they haven't upgraded to faster cpus
and better wifi etc. grody: i use a few ramips devices atm mercutio: i want to see a 2ghz modem/router :/ grody: all low end, but handy as heck
lol mercutio: that can forward at proper rates without hardware accel grody: not even my thin is that fast and it's my firewall
thats a 800MHz effort mercutio: well 2.6 gigabit wireless is coming out grody: and x86 mercutio: a p133 can do over 100 megabit grody: ahh i offload wifi onto cheap assed embeddeds mercutio: but there ethernet chips don't coalesce etc grody: yea this thing seems to handle 300 fine mercutio: these
realtek ethernet? grody: it cops out when it NATs at 200 though
nat dual port intel and a via rhine II mercutio: yeah that's not actually that good
you can probably shift everything to the intel and get better performance grody: routed/firewalled NATless it handles about 350 before it bottles
but its only meant to deliver an 80/20 WAN mercutio: my 600mhz or something (800?) router can bridge 400 megabit+ grody: it is a VIA CPU TOO mercutio: but that's bridging
it can do 600 megabit with hardware accel grody: this is running pfSense to all kinds of fancy mercutio: ahh
freebsd 10 based?
they made pf smp :/ grody: nah older 8.x
the latest breaks my network
it seems to dislike how i have my IP6 firewall and just doesnt work
oddly it handles OpenVPN fine
i racked 40mbps off the ethernet last night.. was actually bitching i wasn't getting my usual 98 off the switch and saw it was coming off OpenVPN
was quite impressed with that
even my pogo 1.2GHz w/ TLS/Neon flapped a load trying to push more than 20mbit/s over ether on OpenVPN mercutio: maybe that's the wireless?
i'm annoyed that i only got like 20 megabit more with ethernet performance with openbsd vm :(
it can't even handle gigabit. grody: to be honest, i need faster switches.. i am using seperate hubs in areas so devices offering media server and client are on the same switch, or trunked and dont pass a switch being used for innernets
its pure 100 here, but with several hubs and trunks mercutio: replacing hubs with switches improves performance quite a lot grody: only +100 is the trunk into the bedroom, which is 2x100
s/hubs/switches/ :) mercutio: oh
well you were talking about 100 megabit :/
you can get gigabit switches cheap now days grody: central smart switch, a few daisies hooking off
yea, but ugh mercutio: yeah managed still costs a bit more grody: means resetting up
this dlink switch does everything i need nicely
L2/L3 managed mercutio: l3 wow :/ grody: yea, but it's shit mercutio: i'm not really a big fan of l3 switches grody: i just like how easy it is to segregate ports, and mix some ports so they are either totally isolate, bcast isolate, unicast isolate (b/mcast only)
it has a few odd settings i havent dared try mercutio: all managed switches cna do taht
but they're not cheap yet grody: i did used to rock an allied telesyn managed switch, so old it was rs232 controlled mercutio: db9 or db25?
quite a lot of switches have db9 grody: i so loved that, until i noticed when it was set to (old skewl term) VBC/Secure, MTU +1500 would be dropped period
9
small baby
hummed like a mofo though, but had a whopping 1.6gbps ability
in fact, thats still sat in my cupboard doing nothing mercutio: my managed switch is fanless grody: d-llink has a couple but is low noise
the allied sounds like its gonna take off mercutio: that's what infiniband switches are like
taking off that is grody: i still can't get over my friends's comment "what is the point of having 300mbps wifi on a 100mbps switch" mercutio: heh grody: it's hard to explain to most people that the physical wire speed is usually about half - and dont understand that there is like a frame every 3rd frame of traffic on wifi, which take up a massive amount of it's BW mercutio: on top of that speeds drop with combined slow/fast devices grody: yea, all N - then throw on a G only mercutio: even 65 megabit devices hurt BryceBot: That's what she said!! grody: or worst, all N, but one forces WPA-TKIP when all the rest are WPA-AES
either first wont connect, or rest get deauthed to fall back
i force WPA2-AES or no dice mercutio: i don't have old devices grody: i think im all N
at least mercutio: i never really used wireless until recently grody: couple a/n
one a/c
i just like it for the phones/tablets etc mercutio: yaeh grody: but damn dont push multicast over wifi mercutio: but i only had a smartphone, tablet etc recently too :/ grody: i tried streaming pulseaudio over wifi, multicast with RTP really slammed it hard
its like a single multicast frame takes like 1 second to process each time, and each time one is processed, if FIFO's others
s/if/it BryceBot: <grody> its like a single multicast frame takes like 1 second to process each time, and each time one is processed, it FIFO's others mercutio: sounds broken grody: some issue with how wifi processes multicast at the lowest level
i'd have imagined most wifi's being a bridhge just simply passes shit
dont seem to hit it on the new wifi AP's.. but the older N drafts hate a combo of multicast and RTP mercutio: damn windows is running out of ram again grody: ok thats odd
that magnet link i gave you i cant import into any of my other torrentors mercutio: weird
i used transmission grody: wtf am i doing wrong
yea dittor mercutio: and just did open url grody: tried that and vuze, punched it into browsert
crap, link in the forum is fubar mercutio: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:436fd4655aef5223ba4e73bf2ff2d5aba64fb98f&dn=AOSP-5.0.2-D2303.zip
i had that JC_Denton: what do you all think of veracrypt?
when truecrypt freaked out, i moved my stuff to LUKS containers w/ custom mounting & unmounting scripts
exported the mounts via crypted CIFS on my LAN and unmounted them when i was done grody: cryptsetup has handled tcrypt containers for ages
but LUKS is the way to go
well, LUKS is only handy in the fact you can change the header key without re-encrypting the data.. i use cryptsetup to rig volatile key containers too
im trying to get around gbde
its a little different to mangle
doing a linux remote boot using keys is sofa king easy
for some reason none of my freebsd play ball doing the same
its annoying, since i use VPS out on US soil, i actually have to encrypt any customer data and make sure it is never sent, store or received in an unencrypted form to from within or outside of the UK
if i store it out there, i have to use at least defacto standards or better crypto and have to send and receive it in that form
an encrypted container via a fileshare is one way, but generally crypting the disk and using standard ssl methods is easier
(and acceptable) mercutio: but is memory encrypted grody: is it ever?
i mean, somewhere in memeory would need to be the key in decrypted or some hashed or mangled form
in fact, the idea of encrypted RAM confuses the crap out of me
unless the crypto was done on module
swap is easy as piss to crypt
suppose that'd be the only way.. force all privacy data via crypted swap. not live ram.. not sure how the hell that'd work
thats enough sifi for me for one night
suppose if it'd encrypted container on remote host, remote host would have sweet fa knowledge on wtf it's doing
the idea of mounting a luks over an sshfs confuses the ideas out of most JC_Denton: if you crypt the whole disk, then you'd generally want a separate disk if you don't want the data always active - no? grody: well, you'd have a disk with your OS and files for OS, then all you sensitive in a crypt
idea being, if someone stole the physical system.. would your measure prevent them from stealing data
also, if someone was to snoop on your traffic, would your traffic be secure from unsecured data
wow, that was an odd double negative
secured from unsecure data
basically, say if the FBI forced ARP to handle over my vdisk, if i had it crypted with offsite keys.. technically speaking the vdisk would be useless as it's only being accessed from within a process on the host
its like pulling the plug on a PC with a LUKS drive.. they'd need to force a snapshot/suspend/pause state to steal memory (volatile forensic recovery) too in order to smash my crypto
and in frank, if you can pull the volatile ram from a running system that yses crypto, the cyrpto becomes nigh on useless
thats how the govt. smashes crypto usually.. not through backdoors, seen so many police forensics fail badly on that point
in UK, hitech crime units have USB keys that actually pull the volatile memory from a majority of windows systems.. it's a case of plug in & your boned