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   pyvpx: there are plenty of ways to speak with the IPv4 world if you are IPv6 only internally. and if more folks were IPv6 internally, they'd naturally lean towars 'speaking' natively to the rest of the IPv6 world...and then IPv4 might be relegated to the token ring of history.
   
 only problem is IPv6 still kind of sucks.
   mercutio: the whole ipv4 vs ipv6 thing is interesting
   
 there's a high interest in being "ipv6 ready"
   
 but low interest in actually using ipv6
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   plett: grody: DECT doesn't use the 2.4G ISM band
   
 Not in the UK, at least
   mkb: mercutio, if you've got a firewall dropping idle connections, do you know of any way to figure out where it is?
   lily: so, apparently my host was ddosed over the weekend. gotta love spring break. the host is up but the network route is blackholed. whats the process for getting this back on the network?
   
 most places just do like 24 hour block, but this has been down for days now
   milki: lily: send an email to support
   NiTeMaRe: n locate /connect OFTC
   
 er
   
 try that again?
   mercutio: mkb: it's usually the modem/router
   
 lily: any idea why it was ddosed?
   lily: efnet haters
   mercutio: erk efnet sucks
   
 i got ddos'ed on efnet once
   lily: been there too long to leave
   mercutio: because someone wanted my nick
   lily: yeah
   
 I have a channel thats been established for a decade
   
 I am a popular target sometimes
   BryceBot: That's what she said!!
   lily: ;)
   mercutio: efnet sucked a decade ago to
   
 too
   lily: oh sure
   mercutio: it's nothing new
   
 but last i knew they still hadn't implemented services
   
 or any kind of room management
   lily: correct
   
 its the wild west
   mercutio: or any way to hide what ip you're using
   
 so people get ddos'ed
   lily: people get ddsed on every network.
   mercutio: i haven't been ddos'ed since using efnet?
   
 since not using efnet
   lily: ddos is the internet equivalent of tagging
   
 its stupid
   mercutio: happens more in poorer areas?
   lily: heeh
   
 I dunno, lots o popular websites get hit too
   brycec: lol mercutio
   lily: the IP I chat from is ddos protected (on another provider), and they dont usually decide to spray everything in my domain down
   
 but its spring break I guess
   
 packet party
   mkb: mercutio, it's outbound from ARP
   mercutio: mkb: damn i cant' follow now
   mkb: mercutio: the connection dropping
   mercutio: oh you're losing connections from arp to somewhere else?
   
 inside tmux or such
   mkb: yeah
   
 I mean like once a week
   mercutio: is it routing via arp, or initiated from arp?
   mkb: from here
   mercutio: oh only once a week
   
 that could jsut be network glithces
   
 lots of adsl modems here used to drop connections after a minute or two idle
   
 which could easily be more than once a day if you didn't enable "keep alive"
   
 irc has server pings
   
 so is never truly idle
   mkb: even IRC drops occassionally. network glitches it looks like
   brycec: Doesn't tmux's default config have a clock, so it's redrawing at least once a minute.
   mercutio: my freenode drops about once 1 to 8 weeks
   
 once every
   
 but sometimes if it drops once it'll drop again shortly after
   
 brycec: yeh
   
 brycec: but i think he's talkinga bout losing irc connection?
   -: mercutio does tmux deatch sometimes
   mercutio: well ^Bd
   mkb: brycec, if I ssh from inside tmux that connection could be idle (not that ssh doesn't enable keepalive)
   mercutio: like when i'm sick of getting distracted :)
   mkb: heh
   brycec: Very true. I didn't know if you were running tmux on the remote side
   
 (s/running/using/)
   mercutio: ssh doesn't enable keepalive by default
   
 i don't have keepalive enabled anywhere myself.
   mkb: mercutio, man ssh_config, /TCPKeepAlive
   
 'The default is "yes"'
   mercutio: it does key renegotiation occasionally, but that's not often enough to stop nat systems that drop connections a lot
   
 mkb: oh?
   brycec: But that's not the same as the server ping. That's just a basic TCP keepalive packet
   mkb: right
   
 ServeAliveInterval is server ping and that is disabled
   mercutio: i think you need tcp keealive enabled in kernel for that?
   
 oh it does have that enabled by default too.  interestnig.
   mkb: BSD wll do it when SO_KEEPALIVE is set on the socket or the global sysctl is set; I would hope Linux does too
   mercutio: i'm out of date it seems :)
   mkb: I just looked at BSD's code this morning :)
   mercutio: where are you sshing to from arp?
   
 is it to your home or something that has nat and a cheap router?
   mkb: I'm not. I used to use bgp-spamd and the bgp connection would come undone all the time (it keeps a counter and bgpctl show displays it so I noticed...
   
 now there's freenode
   
 what prompted the question was a connection to arp actually
   
 I leave my work computer on and connected and it's invariably disconnected in the night
   mercutio: basically most cheap adsl/vdsl/cable/etc routers have really short timeouts to conserve memory
   mkb: at work we've got our own AS and real routers :)
   mercutio: memory got raised a while ago, but i think the short timeouts persisted to a degree.
   mkb: but the firewall may be interfering
   mercutio: my desktop is still crashing :(
   
 i was trying to test ssh connections dying
   mkb: anyway I left it on with TCPKeepAlive no and ServerAliveInterval on so we'll see what that does
   mercutio: i'm going to do it from my server :/
   
 ok two ssh's to arp to persist inside a tmux :)
   
 i still can't figure out why my desktop is crashing
   
 also the ethernet is wedging occasionally, for some strange reason too
   
 which seems strange considering it's i217v
   
 oh seems like it could be a tso bug from what google says
   
 it seems both intel and broadcom seem to acquire a lot of bugs.
   
 and are both the generally "preferred" server ethernet adapters.
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   mkb: mercutio, get to work implementing the new RFC into your TCP stuff :)
   
 scenic routing
   mercutio: haha
   
 i have not seen, got a link?
   
 i've just noticed that on fast hosts, using my own curl instead of curl improves performance significantly
   
 i mean i knew it used less cpu and could go faster on really fast networks.
   
 i just didn't expect normal fast hosts for it to make a difference
   
 of like 10 to 20% or something
   
 kind of makes me want to make my curl less ugly :)
   mkb: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7511
   brycec: Don't forget https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7514
   mercutio: damn it needs ipv6
   
 RECN
   
 haha
   RandalSchwartz: something odd on kvr07?
   
 my server just went wonky
   
 I'll try a reboot
   mercutio: how does amazon get away with having such terrible search?
   RandalSchwartz: yeah - my server still running like molasses
   mercutio: sems strange
   
 bad network or disk or cpu or what?
   RandalSchwartz: not sure
   mercutio: tracing to kvr07 looks fine
   brycec: (heh, I used to have a vps on kvr07, but no longer)
   RandalSchwartz: yeah... it seems better now.
   
 maybe had a noisy neighbor for a bit
   
 first thing that broke was ssh
   
 hmm.  just got a nagios "total processes" alert
   
 maybe I'm getting mail-bombed?
   
 (it's our mail machine)
   mercutio: is it in swap?
   RandalSchwartz: looking now
   
 no...
   mercutio: i've noticed an increase in smtp auth attacks recently in general
   
 ssh has had them for ages regularly
   
 but smtp used to be much more occassional
   RandalSchwartz: loadav only 2.35
   mercutio: i like to stay under 0.6 myself :)
   BryceBot: That's what she said!!
   mercutio: of course that's an arbitary number.
   
 and bsd has higher load averages than linux etc.
   RandalSchwartz: total procs only 93
   
 I wonder what my alert is looking for
   mercutio: 2.35 on bsd isn't so bad
   
 doesn't it tell you?
   
 it may have culled smtp processes?
   RandalSchwartz: I'm just viewing through pagerduty
   mercutio: are you using postfix?
   RandalSchwartz: yes
   
 because M4 sucks. :)
   mercutio: do you have maxproc set for smtp in master.cf ?
   RandalSchwartz: hmm.  good question
   mercutio: it defaults to off
   
 but i recommend setting it
   RandalSchwartz: yeah, that would make sense
   mercutio: my personal mail server has it set to 8
   
 buut if lots of users i'd set it a  bit higher
   
 well it depends
   
 i'm going straight through to amavis too
   
 so that amavis procesess it before it hits quueue
   
 smtpd_client_connection_count_limit=2
   
 i'm also setting that
   
 so that any one client can't do more than 2 connections
   RandalSchwartz: looks like it defaults to 100
   
 so yeah - I can probably crank that back
   mercutio: yeah
   
 if you do the client connection limit it'll make you get less alerts
   
 if one user throws many connections at it
   
 if you get 25,000 connections you're screwed whatever you do :)
   RandalSchwartz: heh
   mercutio: welll ddos type from random ip's
   RandalSchwartz: ok - changed value and "service postfix restart"
   mercutio: you only need reload
   
 it can take up to a minute for reload to work
   RandalSchwartz: I'm never sure, especially on master.cf
   mercutio: but reload is all you need on most postfix changes
   RandalSchwartz: simple enough to just restart
   mercutio: ok.
   RandalSchwartz: server seems sensible now.
   
 haven't rebooted it in quite a few months though
   
 maybe it was just being bitchy
   
 anyway... pagerduty is happy again.
   mercutio: heh.
   
 postfix has heaps of new things i haven't paid attention to
   
 the last big change i made is goign straight to amavis instead of going through the mail queue first.
   RandalSchwartz: I'm using mailroute.info instead
   mercutio: haven't heard of it
   
 i've been using amavis forever
   
 there may be better options now, but don't want to use something external really
   RandalSchwartz: it's a paid service
   
 they have access to information I can't possibly have
   mercutio: i don't get much spam
   
 i do get quite a few promotions
   
 especially from amazon
   RandalSchwartz: merlyn@stonehenge.com has been very public for two decades
   mercutio: and the normal linkedin crap etc.
   
 most of my spam comes from google, yahoo etc.
   
 ie free email
   up_the_irons: lily: lol "packet party"
   lily: :)
   up_the_irons: mercutio: and lol for suspecting DDoS happens more in poorer areas ;)
   mercutio: up_the_irons: well it was more tagging that happened in poorer areas
   
 err happens
   
 ddos's on efnet are probably just young kids
   
 when i was yonger making free phone calls was popular etc.
   
 but now things seem more destructive towards individuals
   up_the_irons: yeah
   mercutio: why does windows run out of memory with 32gb of ram on a desktop?
   
 bloody braindead.
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   mercutio: i need a proper target to test on verizon's network, anyone got any ideas?
   
 something that doesn't block ping
   
 oh, verizon.net :)