#arpnetworks 2015-03-20,Fri

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mkb	no she said they were running up until a month ago not that I expect her to really know anything	[07:43]
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m0unds_	packet loss again	[07:58]
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m0unds_	yeah, not just me i guess haha	[08:00]
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mercutio	that was lot pf people that left at once 5 hours ago or so i wonder if they were all using ipv6	[13:35]
m0unds	i was getting awful packet loss on both v6 and v4 i wonder if it's that same annoying thing that was happening last week	[13:44]
mercutio	well my graphs are fine :/ but my route goes over any2ix	[13:47]
m0unds	mine is via level3	[13:48]
mercutio	i've been dreaming about making a ping thingy the plot is starting to come together finding good hosts to monitor is the complex part nothing's sticking out as terrible on hte monitoring that's on arp's network i think my test hosts don't really test level3 well though	[13:48]
m0unds	this packet loss stuff seems to start at approximately the same time each day it occurs	[13:52]
mercutio	at like 6 hours ago?	[13:53]
m0unds	yea, around there	[13:53]
mercutio	i updated my smokeping with my newer targets list at least.	[13:53]
m0unds	happens between 0830-0900 MDT	[13:53]
mercutio	i'm never around then :)	[13:53]
m0unds	yeah	[13:54]
mercutio	do you have any mtr's or anything?	[13:54]
m0unds	i can't MTR the arp box because of how severe the packet loss is	[13:54]
mercutio	does it get unusable?	[13:54]
m0unds	yep i can't stay connected via ssh at all	[13:54]
mercutio	can you setup a cron on the arp box to mtr out? does packet loss start before it hits arps network?	[13:54]
m0unds	no aside from the naturally occurring deprioritization stuff	[13:55]
mercutio	and it's lossy to arp's web site or other arp hosts at the same time as your vm?	[13:55]
m0unds	haven't tested it	[13:55]
mercutio	yeah i hate lboody deprioritisation :)	[13:55]
m0unds	i guess i will next time this happens	[13:55]
mercutio	what kvr are you on?	[13:56]
m0unds	03	[13:56]
mercutio	oh yeah :) well i'm monitoring that host and i've only seen loss a couple of hours ago	[13:56]
m0unds	my latency to the vm is jittery as all hell +/- 12ms	[13:57]
mercutio	even now?	[13:57]
m0unds	yep	[13:57]
mercutio	does it get unusable?i'm seeing 0.1 msec jitter or something oops i must have pressed up arrow a bit yeh no jitter here well a mtr now could be useful. i usually use mtr -i=0.1 when i'm testing things :/ which shows up deprioritisation even more err mtr -i0.1 but shows jitter easier r1 drops packets with that frequency	[13:58]
m0unds	ihttp://pastebin.com/F7SJ0GjA	[14:02]
mercutio	wow oh you traced to kvr03 :)	[14:03]
m0unds	yeah tracing to te vps now it's largely the same	[14:04]
mercutio	that was with -i1 ? it could be a comcast issue	[14:04]
m0unds	negative it's not	[14:05]
mercutio	oh	[14:05]
m0unds	no packet loss to any other destination i've tested	[14:05]
mercutio	ther's jitter to 96.120.1.73	[14:06]
m0unds	buddy in FL was using the voice server and started noticing packet loss and let me know	[14:06]
mercutio	but i mean between arp/comcast.	[14:06]
m0unds	yes, because this is a residential cable connection	[14:06]
BryceBot	That's what she said!!	[14:06]
m0unds	BryceBot: no	[14:06]
BryceBot	Oh, okay... I'm sorry. 'yes, because this is a residential cable connection'	[14:06]
mercutio	but there' snot jitter to the hop prior of 689.86.182.122 but if 96.120.1.73 is a bras, that could be deprioritisation	[14:06]
m0unds	it's the headend so yes	[14:07]
mercutio	yeah mind sharing your ip? :)	[14:07]
m0unds	73.26.90.138	[14:07]
mercutio	it's worse to your ip i'm still seeing no loss though and it's just as bad from another provider	[14:08]
m0unds	my latency to a box w/another provider is 30.1ms +/- .2ms	[14:09]
mercutio	oh but it's fine from new zealand well 3 msec jitter or just under	[14:09]
BryceBot	That's what she said!!	[14:09]
m0unds	BryceBot: no	[14:09]
BryceBot	Oh, okay... I'm sorry. 'or just under'	[14:09]
mercutio	can you try tracing to 202.49.71.24 ? that's my nz test server	[14:09]
m0unds	i have less jitter to that destination than to arp	[14:10]
mercutio	it's gtt->comcast for forward route	[14:10]
m0unds	+/- 1.8ms	[14:10]
mercutio	but i suspect it's forward path from youu that's the issue yeah i know right i imagine it's not going comcast->level3	[14:10]
m0unds	but that doesn't explain why a bunch of other peoples' connections took a dump around 30 seconds after i started seeing packet loss	[14:11]
mercutio	they may all be on comcast?	[14:11]
m0unds	congestion could explain the jitter, but i couldn't care less about jitter no, their sessions to freenode dumped	[14:11]
mercutio	but yeah level3 may be having issues oh hmm	[14:12]
m0unds	on arp V6 IPs (i saw at least one with no rdns that was arp's prefix)	[14:12]
mercutio	it's not even peak time though true the mind boggles :)	[14:12]
m0unds	that's why i'm wondering if someone's machine is doing something at that time because it happens right around that time each time	[14:12]
BryceBot	That's what she said!!	[14:12]
m0unds	BryceBot: no	[14:13]
BryceBot	Oh, okay... I'm sorry. 'because it happens right around that time each time'	[14:13]
mercutio	yeah	[14:13]
m0unds	like maybe saturating the link to upload or download something	[14:13]
mercutio	i don't think kvr03 is having issues and i don't think it's likely you're all on kvr03 and i don't think r1 is having issues but s7 coudl be having issues it doesn't really explain ipv6 screwing up thouguh	[14:13]
m0unds	nope	[14:14]
mercutio	actually it does ntt is on s7 if it's a general issue	[14:15]
m0unds	so, having looked at the users w/out cloaks who dropped when i mentioned packet loss, they were all connected via some arp svc	[14:15]
mercutio	yeah incoming skips s7 for ipv4 from r1 and my r1 based routes have been fine but outgoing doesn't skip it	[14:15]
m0unds	hey, milki jpalmer RandalSchwartz awyeah - are you guys connecting to IRC via an ARP VPS or dedi? if you're on a VPS, mind sharing which host?	[14:17]
mercutio	but you wouldn't think someone would ddos at the asme time every day	[14:17]
m0unds	right, that's why i'm thinking it's something saturating a link or similar	[14:17]
mercutio	and downloading at high speed over transit enough to saturate links isn't normal	[14:18]
m0unds	offsite backup, something like that	[14:18]
mercutio	yeah it could be that they're pushing backups onto arp	[14:18]
m0unds	if they all happen to be on kvr03, that'd be great haha	[14:18]
mercutio	on a dedicated server i really don't think kvr03 is at fault but i'm happy to be wrong oh hmm kvr03 still goes throuugh s1 i was wondering if hitting a host directly would bypass s1	[14:18]
m0unds	outbound route from the vm on kvr03 is via s7	[14:20]
mercutio	and that may happen on peering but not transit	[14:21]
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mercutio	inbound route is via s7 too i think you'll find it just responds with the link address to level3 probably but it'll be the same host it's only r1 that's assymetric because s1 doesn't have full route table	[14:21]
m0unds	oh, were you meaning tracing the host kvr03.arpnetworks.com indicates s1?	[14:21]
mercutio	well i was meaning kvr03 may have more direct path than your vm but nah it's the same path ish	[14:22]
m0unds	yeah, looks the same it's pretty symmetrical. much better than before level3 was turned on	[14:22]
mercutio	yeah level3 isn't bad	[14:23]
BryceBot	That's what she said!!	[14:23]
m0unds	used to be inbound from nlayer/mzima/whatever and outbound via ntt	[14:23]
mercutio	nlayer would have been fine probably	[14:23]
m0unds	and it was unusable during "peak" time for me yeah, it was NTT that sucked way way way oversubbed at comcast	[14:23]
mercutio	nlayer's been having weird shit happen recently nlayer/mzima/tinet/gtt i can't tell which is which haha	[14:23]
m0unds	yeah, hahah	[14:24]
mercutio	as4436 is having issues which is that	[14:24]
m0unds	mzimtinettttttt	[14:24]
mercutio	it says nlayer :/	[14:24]
m0unds	yeah, some stuff still does	[14:24]
mercutio	http://www.peeringdb.com/view.php?asn=4436 yeah so that's the legacy nlayer	[14:24]
m0unds	the net formerly known as nlayer	[14:25]
mercutio	what happened to mzima haha i wonder how many routes comcast has 245 including ipv6 there's some non aggregated stuff in there too i imagine they have more asn's, that's just AS7922 it kind of sucks that comcast are huge and don't peer :/	[14:25]
m0unds	they started splitting up their network a bit more based on market and stuff, tons of ASNs	[14:34]
mercutio	ahh probably a good thing	[14:34]
m0unds	yeah	[14:35]
mercutio	mkb isn't on comcast is he	[14:35]
BryceBot	That's what she said!!	[14:35]
mercutio	as you said it doesn't seem like it's just a comcast issue but prioritising making sure users connections well seems sensible freenode on the other hand.. dropping on freenode could be anything that said, i've been stable for a whil again	[14:35]
	does this packet loss happen at toher times than 7:30 to 8:00 MDT?	[14:44]
m0unds	it has before, yes it happened a ton last week (i think it was last week)	[14:44]
mercutio	but atm i mean yeh i remember that	[14:44]
m0unds	well, it hasn't happened since last week	[14:44]
mercutio	ahh	[14:45]
m0unds	today's the first day. the time when it occurred in the past started at 0830-0900 MDT and then would occur again throughout the day	[14:45]
mercutio	that gave me loss though this one didn't give me loss also kvr03's reoccuring issues in the past got dealt with the specific to kvr03 issues which was fixed about 10 days ago but there was the issue efecting everyone around then too and the effecting everyone was never determined the cause of i think	[14:45]
m0unds	borrowing smokeping data from acf_ - http://kremvax.acfsys.net/smokeping.cgi?epoch_start=1426863600;hierarchy=;epoch_end=1426888048;target=Remote.arpnet-lsanca;displaymode=n;start=2015-03-20%2008%3A00;end=now;Generate%21=Generate%21 it's on there	[14:49]
mercutio	ahh i see	[14:50]
m0unds	0750 PDT 0850 MDT	[14:50]
mercutio	it's level3 outbound to ec2 i wonder if it's level3 having issues	[14:50]
m0unds	i think this is local though microsecond ping time on that graph, avg is .688ms	[14:51]
mercutio	oh nah his smokeping is weird the top is to arpnetworks.com but the last 30 hours is to ec2.acfsys.net	[14:51]
m0unds	yeah, from the local box second is from ec2	[14:52]
mercutio	it's the second that's having issues thoguh	[14:52]
m0unds	the graph i linked, top part, showed 30+% packet loss to arpnetworks.com from within the network for a period of 10 mins	[14:52]
mercutio	oh the link didn't work	[14:53]
m0unds	oh	[14:53]
mercutio	i dununo why	[14:53]
m0unds	weird	[14:53]
mercutio	it wa so long, and it didn't make sense why	[14:53]
m0unds	ok, well set the time today (03/20/2015) and 0700 as the starting time to now http://i.imgur.com/Z5WZ0y4.png as an alternative	[14:53]
mercutio	oh that's better mine was set to 08:00	[14:54]
m0unds	yeah	[14:54]
mercutio	and it was ll grreen :/	[14:54]
m0unds	that weird little blip is there, even on arp>arp stuff	[14:54]
mercutio	you're so right http://la.meh.net.nz:24/cgi-bin/smokeping.cgi?target=meh.arpmeh that's to arp vm from vm on arp dedicated hmm maybe it is kvr03 issue? i can't rmeember what host acf is on	[14:54]
m0unds	http://i.imgur.com/jFD4Yic.png wishing i still had my server at home so i could have additional data but i shut down everything here but an rpi haha a rpi*	[14:57]
mercutio	acf ios on kvr27 looking at logs he may have more than one host thouugh	[14:59]
m0unds	i saw something about kvr10 - i was on 27 before (had a project that ended)	[15:00]
mercutio	oh i saw discussion about 10 too but he said he had high latencies to 27 but that may have been you :)	[15:01]
m0unds	yeah, we were trying to figure out the ntt weirdness around then	[15:01]
mercutio	i should just monitor them all :/	[15:01]
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brycec	Thanks for the reminder m0unds, I keep meaning to setup smokeping on my rpi (but it still won't be today)	[15:23]
BryceBot	That's what she said!!	[15:23]
mercutio	i need to set it up on my san jose vultr host which seeems to be ntt	[15:29]
m0unds	if i weren't running an awful java app on mine i would	[15:29]
mercutio	so useful for testing transit from arp i suppose	[15:29]
m0unds	i need to get another one	[15:29]
mercutio	the network is pretty bad on vultr	[15:29]
m0unds	is it?	[15:29]
mercutio	well it depnds http://sj.meh.net.nz:24/10m vs http://la.meh.net.nz:24/10m	[15:30]
m0unds	they're both the same for me, 5MB/sec	[15:30]
mercutio	maybe youu're closer	[15:30]
m0unds	i likely am	[15:30]
mercutio	vultr has random issues more often too oh wow from uk sj is way faster than la ntt vs level3	[15:30]
m0unds	i've only used a couple hosts long term over the last several years arp and linode for the last 2 or so	[15:31]
mercutio	i only use vultr cos they're cheap just for smokeping and bw tests haha and somewhre convenient to ssh to ok this is strange vultr is going ntt->level3 and getting better performance than arp going level3->level3	[15:32]
	i wonder if something is up with level3 arp to vultr was fast. but sj vultr shouldn't be twice the speed of arp esp when they're both l3 to uk (that was doing a uk test) and vultr has the extra ntt to level3 hop	[15:40]
	http://pastebin.com/HNz6uQtK anyone want to try my curl download test? it downloads 7 10mb files	[15:49]
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mercutio	i probably should just stick it on site http://weallsee.net/testspeed	[15:51]
brycec	mercutio: http://sprunge.us/GdAh but 10MB is a pretty small test file for a good connection with 100mbps Internet.	[16:02]
mercutio	brycec: it's good to be small	[16:02]
brycec	(that's from my home cable connection)	[16:02]
mercutio	large fikles you usually have in background smaller ones you have in foreground and it gives you a good idea if connection is going wekll	[16:03]
brycec	But for a speed test, a 10MB file on a connection that can carry 10MB/s is a poor sample size.	[16:03]
mercutio	i usually time the whole script but adding up the numbers it looks pretty good	[16:03]
brycec	Ah	[16:03]
mercutio	but la is slower than sj why is la so slow	[16:03]
brycec	(I'm also closer to SJ)	[16:04]
mercutio	oh but look how fast you get to new zealand the top one is new zealand	[16:04]
brycec	ah faster than .au, impressive and surprising	[16:04]
mercutio	la.meh.net.nz is a nz ip advertised on an arp vm i hope it's not going via nz nz is actually closer to the US than asutralia and syd is vultr :/	[16:04]
brycec	yeah but aren't most trans-pacific cables going to Sydney directly?	[16:05]
mercutio	i thought it was more imrpessive that it's faste than los angeles nope well they are but it's a longer cable i probably should use an arp ip but as a quick test, la.meh.net.nz ping looks fien?	[16:05]
brycec	(currently running mtr's to see) (Looks like I get to NZ via Cogent's SJ -> Plain.net.nz direct) (And Sydney via NTT LA / Equinix Sydney) http://sprunge.us/GNCS if you're curious la pings were slightly slower than san jose, and both went over NTT	[16:06]
mercutio	well it matters more what my route to you is it's 3.18 kernel on la vs 3.19 on the others it's gtt->comcast from nz and it's going direct via san jose and la is sending out via level3 to comcast. with way worse jitter i mean icmp deprioritisation and all that, but it's 0.3 msec jitter vs 2.1 msec jitter. the jitter on seattle level3 is showing 0.3 msec jitter though the jitter is on te-0-1-1-ten01.spokane.wa.seattle.comcast.net and te-0-1-0 they both hit that hop which alternates.	[16:13]
brycec	(I should point out that Spokane, roughly wear I live, is a city 5 hours East of Seattle)	[16:18]
mercutio	actually they both hit be-37-sur03.spokane.wa.seattle.comcast.net and the jitter isn't there	[16:18]
BryceBot	That's what she said!!	[16:18]
brycec	(So, presumably Seattle serves as our upstream, but it is aways away)	[16:18]
mercutio	so probably it's forward path ahh your mtrs only have one ping	[16:18]
brycec	Yeah, for expediency	[16:20]
mercutio	it's hard to know thouugh yeah can you run that test again just to make sure it's not random that la is going slow?	[16:20]
brycec	sure	[16:23]
mercutio	i mean 30 megabit isn't /that/ slow	[16:23]
brycec	do you want just la's mtr?	[16:24]
mercutio	just la's mtr and la's download speed actually just doing la a few times over for the 10mb test would be fine it gets over 40mb/sec from vultr so i doubt it's a general throughput issue which is making me wonder if level3 is being weird	[16:24]
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mercutio	if it's slightly problematic generally, it increases the chances that it's being more problematic other times	[16:26]
brycec	mercutio: http://sprunge.us/LRJG (and traffic on my own net is relatively quiet)	[16:26]
mercutio	wow it's all ove rthe place. i reckon there's packet loss can you try the same thing with garlic.plain.net.nz:24/10m ? i expect it'll be the same	[16:28]
brycec	sure, one sec	[16:33]
mnathani_	anyone use policy based routing to redirect certain traffic out a different gateway?	[16:33]
mercutio	i've done it before mnathani_	[16:34]
brycec	mercutio: http://sprunge.us/dMJd	[16:34]
mercutio	using ip rule and multiple tables	[16:34]
brycec	I redirect specific subnets and addresses over my work vpn, yeah	[16:34]
mercutio	yeah same diff with garlic it's xen, garlic is dom0 why does your router have such high pings? just seems a bit strange :)	[16:35]
brycec	because I don't have direct ethernet to it	[16:37]
mercutio	oh it's bridged?	[16:37]
brycec	(ethernet-coax-ethernet)	[16:37]
mercutio	ahh	[16:37]
brycec	decanet specifically pings to other hosts on this side of the bridge are .3ms	[16:37]
mercutio	maybe we could try iperf udp test?	[16:38]
hoggworm	sup with yogeebear trying to dccc the file "startkeylogger"	[16:38]
brycec	hoggworm: #frenode is already aware	[16:38]
mercutio	it's a pita if you can't easily forward udp	[16:38]
brycec	hoggworm: https://nullroute.eu.org/~grawity/startkeylogger.html	[16:38]
hoggworm	brycec: cheers	[16:38]
brycec	np	[16:39]
mercutio	that startkeylogger thing is old apparently and it's been in other channels earlier	[16:39]
hoggworm	oh haven't seen it yet on ircnet/efnet/dalnet	[16:39]
mercutio	apparnelty it's an old mirc thing	[16:40]
brycec	I first got a random CTCP in Arabic from them :/	[16:40]
mnathani_	brycec: so destination address based routing?	[16:40]
brycec	mnathani_: just simple "route add..." stuff	[16:40]
mercutio	i used it for source based routing	[16:40]
mnathani_	I am trying to route my chromecast over a vpn	[16:41]
brycec	(and I use pf to limit sources)	[16:41]
mercutio	yeah that's easy mnathani_	[16:41]
mnathani_	without forcing all wireless traffic over the vpn oh and I want to be able to stop routing over the vpn with a command	[16:41]
mercutio	http://blog.scottlowe.org/2013/05/29/a-quick-introduction-to-linux-policy-routing/ does that help you?	[16:41]
brycec	command: "Woman, unplug this cable" :p	[16:41]
mnathani_	ie: no config changes or dhcp lease changes on the chromecast	[16:42]
mercutio	of course you'll want to set a static ip or permanent dhcp ip address on the chromecast	[16:42]
mnathani_	dhcp reservation is what I have now I am attempting to do this using vlans / cisco layer 3 switch and Router if required	[16:45]
mercutio	if you have a linux box just set the chromecast to gateway to the linux box and look at that link i linked for policy routing basically youu can have two route tables ip rule add from 192.168.30.200 lookup custom so you can have a table called custom	[16:46]
mnathani_	would a linux vm work, or will it work out better to have a physical box with multiple interfaces?	[16:47]
mercutio	vm is fine ip route add default via 192.168.30.1 dev eth1 table custom then you do something like that	[16:47]
mnathani_	are these going to converto to iptable rules?	[16:48]
mercutio	hmm i did a udp test to uk nad it was fine	[16:48]
acf_	network namespaces in Linux are also nifty	[16:49]
mercutio	it's even got less jitter than vultr so why is http going slow	[16:49]
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	this level3 thing just gets weirder with multiple connections to the uk one of them goes way faster than the other so there's some load balancing going on so my udp test may have been fine because it was on the fine connection so bryces huge varying degrees of speed for the 10mb file may been due to alternating load balanced connections	[17:11]
mnathani_	mercutio: how can I test the curl 10 meg files	[17:19]
mercutio	mnathani_: http://weallsee.net/testspeed it's a shell script with the urls and set -x so you know which host it's going to :) i'm seeing jitter to comcast now too from nz it was fine before, so comcast's load balancing is lame too :) it seems to be a general issue these days i think the core issue is that people are using aggregated 10 gigabit ethernet connections with people with high speed connections close by and that seems to be more of an issue regionally, as long distance connections are 40g+ it may even be aggregated gigabit in smaller locations.	[17:19]
mnathani_	http://pastebin.com/byQUYHGx thats from my residential 60mbit connection in Toronto	[17:31]
mercutio	wow you're so slow to japan and nz i wonder why on teksavvy?	[17:32]
m0unds	http://pastebin.com/fDh8A1iW	[17:34]
mercutio	ok i find this more than a little disconcerting. la is slower than it should be it seems is a reoccuring theme	[17:35]
m0unds	haha	[17:35]
mercutio	i do wonder why mnathani was so slow to japan and nz though	[17:36]
m0unds	yea, i'm maxing out at 2.3MB/sec from that la test could be horribly slow writes yea, hitting 5.4MB/sec on my desktop i forgot i was testing on my rpi :)	[17:38]
mercutio	it doesn't write it redirects to > /dev/null	[17:41]
m0unds	well, an arm6 cpu is dog-ass slow regardless	[17:41]
mercutio	yeah	[17:41]
brycec	mercutio: the Ethernet on the rpi is a USB connection to the host so bus- and cpu-bound ;)	[17:41]
m0unds	and that ^	[17:41]
mercutio	yeh they suck	[17:41]
m0unds	it's fine for running crashplan haha	[17:42]
brycec	I wouldn't say they suck, they just have their place	[17:42]
m0unds	yep i have one that controls my fermenter and i have one running crashplan	[17:42]
brycec	(Find me another $35 computer that is comparably spec'd and has a non-usb and non-seial Ethernet controller :P)	[17:43]
mercutio	http://pastebin.com/4jcYkRjF this is my vdsl connection	[17:43]
brycec	I have one for OOB/serial access to my core network, and one for Kodi. A good gamut of uses.	[17:43]
m0unds	rpi terminal server sounds good	[17:44]
mnathani_	I can send you an mtr	[17:44]
brycec	m0unds: it's powered by the USB port on my wifi AP :P	[17:44]
m0unds	i have some old-ass cisco 2516-rj even better, hah oh, i have one that does aircraft transponder monitoring via sdr dongle forgot about that one	[17:44]
brycec	fun	[17:45]
m0unds	the dump1090 binary is a little crashy, but i just automate restarting it	[17:45]
mnathani_	mercutio: http://pastebin.com/nQR6qvNu	[17:47]
mercutio	yeah it's any2ix both ways does that mean you're any2ix to la.meh.net.nz too? maybe they're overloading their any2ix port	[17:48]
mnathani_	I redid the speed test http://pastebin.com/i8g3fz9x	[17:49]
mercutio	i'm probably going to have to upgrade japan's bandwidth :)	[17:50]
mnathani_	you mean japan your host as opposed to the country right	[17:50]
mercutio	oh it's fine yes it's vultr tokyo server 108.713 GB of 200 GB (54%) (Bandwidth preferences) it looks like it's fine because most of it's incoming	[17:50]
mnathani_	some hosts like liquidweb do free incoming	[17:52]
mercutio	vultr doesn't :/ but they onyl charge you whichever is highest and outbound is way lower on 42.468gb it's a real pita increasing bandwidth on them your vps shuts down for ages etc cos you have to change plans	[17:52]
mnathani_	do other things change as well like cpu cores and memory	[17:54]
mercutio	you get some more memory and more disk	[17:55]
mnathani_	when you enter the next tier	[17:55]
mercutio	yeah but i don't use much disk /dev/vda1 15G 3.1G 11G 23% /	[17:55]
mnathani_	do you have a slave setup for smokeping	[18:01]
mercutio	nope	[18:01]
mnathani_	or are they all individual	[18:01]
mercutio	i just stick it on multiple hsots	[18:01]
mnathani_	I guess its easy enough to compare / correleate events with the web interface	[18:02]
mercutio	yeah i find it easier but i want multiple views etc so i can choose how it shows :) so i'm trying arp's test download and i'm finding it seems worse for performance it seems to speed up slower	[18:03]
mnathani_	do you have 100 meg test files?	[18:04]
mercutio	nope i can make one i have 200mb testfile.zip it's urandom not a zip file	[18:04]
mnathani_	on each host?	[18:04]
mercutio	yeah that's everywhere there's also 200k everywhere i'm smokepinging with 200k 200k actually identifies issues often but it has a huge latency bias with 10mb the latency doesn't matter nearly as much well at < 50 megabit at > 200 megabit it does they should all be on gigabit too i think i also have it on cloudflare http://weallsee.net/10m but i don't think they like you doing that cloudflare is served from that first ip with light use it's prob ok	[18:04]
	does someone else want to try hosting a 10mb file?	[18:20]
brycec	https://speedtest.cobryce.com/speedtest/random2500x2500.jpg ot it's 12MB but close enough there's also 3000 and 3500 oh and 4000x4000 is 40MB 30MB	[18:26]
mercutio	hmm it's slightly quicker 3598 vs 3407 so yeah probably just the larger file size having a copy the same size woudl be better for testing comparitively i reckon	[18:27]
brycec	(and I have smaller files - 1000 1500 2000 2500) (oh and 350 500 750)	[18:28]
mercutio	http://la.meh.net.nz/mini/speedetst/random2500x2500.jpg i have that too :) but not everywhere	[18:29]
brycec	good typo :p	[18:29]
mercutio	oh shit s/detst/dtest/	[18:29]
BryceBot	<mercutio> http://la.meh.net.nz/mini/speedtest/random2500x2500.jpg	[18:30]
mercutio	oh yours is https mine is faster for me now oh cool you can take the s off	[18:30]
brycec	port 80 is there too I didn't realize I linked to https	[18:31]
mercutio	yeah i'm finding mine slightly quicker but not by much i should check from uk weird i'm getting way faster speeds from the uk to mine than yours way faster than i was getting on 10mb before like 1.6 to 2mb/sec to yours, and 4.4 to 5.4 to mien	[18:31]
BryceBot	That's what she said!!	[18:33]
brycec	brycec is also uploading to his VPS right now	[18:34]
mercutio	shouldn't matter? oh it's a vps? i thought it was dedicated from the mtr but of cousre.. arp makes all vps's look dedicated :)	[18:34]
brycec	lol	[18:35]
mercutio	are you on 100 megabit?	[18:35]
brycec	Yes, I beleive so *believe	[18:36]
BryceBot	That's what she said!!	[18:36]
mercutio	still, uk and nz are about same distance away	[18:37]
brycec	(there we go, flash speedtest fixed speedtest.cobryce.com)	[18:37]
mercutio	and it waas tiny difference from nz and huge from uk i bet mine's out of date yip bah it wants you to login now http://c.speedtest.net/mini/mini.zip	[18:37]
brycec	what?	[18:38]
mercutio	to download new mini.zip my speedtest is out of date	[18:38]
brycec	It didn't ask me, but I guess I'm already logged in	[18:38]
mercutio	but chrome remembered my login well it downloads that fast http://la.meh.net.nz:24/mini/	[18:38]
brycec	from home, I get just better than 6mbps from yours	[18:40]
mercutio	weird now that was slower on mine than on yours for me 6 megabit? i'm even getting slower upload	[18:40]
brycec	I find the mini test to be fairly unreliable, at least compared to what I get via other methods	[18:41]
mercutio	yeah it's lame	[18:41]
brycec	but it's a useful tool	[18:41]
mercutio	i prefer my 10mb test. but what i really want is something that can test a whole lot of normal web sites etc. but there's huge complexities in there the problem with speedtest is it just tests close local servers normally or you tell it to go to some server, adn you don't know which to go to it doesn't really help getting 100 megabit locally if there are no web sites hosted locally but how far do you go? i often find ovh web sites slow but i don't go to any of them regularly. it's more i find a web site not loading and i trace to it and it's ovh and then it's back again sometime and still going slow of course it's not necesasrily ovh's network but like mnathani getting slow speeds to japan and new zealand may not really bother him at all	[18:41]
mnathani	I don't really need to reach nz or jp most of the time	[18:46]
mercutio	mnathani: exactly i don't even need to reach japan really but it's similar ping to california	[18:46]
mnathani	Did you see my second speedtest	[18:46]
mercutio	and it's another way to the US so if there was some big outage between NZ and US I coudl bounce via there :) oh they went u~p i wonder why it was slow the first time. so now sydney and la the slowest i wonder what connection speed they have on any2ix 10 gigabit	[18:46]
	maybe i should try upgrading kernel on la	[19:02]
	ok slightly newer kernel	[19:13]
.................................. (idle for 2h46mn)
mnathani_	mercutio: 10 mb it too small for the speed test here are my results with the 200 meg test file:	[21:59]
mercutio	mnathani_: why do you say taht?	[21:59]
mnathani_	http://pastebin.com/28uxqhES	[22:00]
mercutio	hmm la is still slow :(	[22:00]
mnathani_	connection takes a few seconds to reach max speed - by then the file download is already complete	[22:00]
mercutio	yeah but a lot of that's ramping up, the connection stability etc. often for interactive stuff it's what matters it's interesting how close nz and au are for speed it does look like there's some issue there, but i can get fast to tehre slower than last time something's a little weird it pauses around 7mb/sec for ages but yeah for 200mb file in la from nz i get average speed of around 8 mb/seec, and current speed of aroudn 11.5mb/sec that is faster than any of your test resutls.	[22:01]
mnathani_	I have another VPS I can test on in Toronto	[22:06]
mercutio	oh yip	[22:06]
mnathani_	the tests from me were on residential connection	[22:06]
mercutio	i get 17mb/sec to sydney	[22:06]
mnathani_	are you talking megabits or megabytse?	[22:07]
mercutio	megabytes	[22:07]
mnathani_	lowercase means bits :-)	[22:07]
mercutio	nah Mb means megabits MB means megabytes mb could be either :) it shows as M in curl fwiw the question remains why the slower speeds	[22:07]
brycec	17MB/s? Damn that's a nice fat pipe.	[22:12]
mercutio	uk is consistently giving 5200k/sec within 100k/sec brycec: it's gigabit that's testing from the top server on that list i mean it's gigabit ethernet, not gpon or anything	[22:12]
brycec	heh brycec is currently stressing his network and NAS pulling files @ 100+MB/s, wheee USB3 flash drive	[22:13]
mercutio	i can only do around 4.2megabytes/sec from home heh i can do faster than that at home over network :/	[22:13]
brycec	My home network is only GbE :p	[22:14]
mercutio	yeah i ordered qdr infiniband cards	[22:14]
brycec	(averaging 108MB/s currently - disk IO bound)	[22:14]
mercutio	they're only $30 US each	[22:14]
brycec	Nice.	[22:14]
mercutio	it just means i have to get someone to resend them to me i still don't know how much that'll cost	[22:14]
brycec	heh	[22:15]
mercutio	but ebay's global shipping program sucks and the first seller wouldn't ship by usps and the second seller doesn't ship outside the US	[22:15]
brycec	(Also IB wouldn't work well for me - can't very well run another cable across the apartment)	[22:16]
mercutio	heh i'm still trying to figure out how the hell i'm going to cable my room i want to get from one side of the room to the other runinng cables along the ceiling is guly ugly running on the carpet with a rug over could damage them atm i'm using ethernet and plugging and unplugging but i'm thinking that i'll have a few on this side	[22:16]
brycec	I have a single cat6 strung over top the doorways from front to back of the apartment, it blends in more or less, but every time I see it is a reminder	[22:17]
mercutio	heh well i was noticing that fibre is thinner than copper but it's bright yellow well the stuff i have is	[22:17]
brycec	(or orange, typically)	[22:18]
mercutio	this is smf http://pastebin.com/6JyuxBEX that's windows test to home on zfs bloody samba is a cpu hog	[22:18]
brycec	Only a 100MB test file? Did that ever leave RAM?	[22:20]
mercutio	yeah it's windows it's disk cache sucks if it was ram it'd be 2000+ i have 32gb of ram it'd have to be huge to be bigger than ram and it does seem consistent	[22:20]
brycec	lol	[22:21]
mercutio	well mostly i'm using ssd's with write cache err slc write cache and linux will buffer some writes but i care about network performance rather than disk performance for these tests :) mnathani_: can you test downloading bryce's image? there should be 5000x5000 i dunno what his cap is like heh the strange thing about mnathani getting slower speed is that it's a any2ix route and i'm getting fine any2ix performance and japan and nz should be using any2ix too and teksavvy only listened any2ix california rather than north/south	[22:21]
mnathani_	http://la.meh.net.nz/mini/speedtest/random2500x2500.jpg < that file? or you mean from his box	[22:25]
mercutio	yeh but s/2500/5000/g but yeah from his box do both of them see if it's similar	[22:26]
brycec	(it's an ARP VPS)	[22:26]
mnathani_	is the url handy	[22:26]
brycec	speedtest.cobryce.com/speedtest/random2500x2500.jpg	[22:26]
mercutio	oh there's 3500 but not 5000 oh you know what	[22:27]
brycec	up to 4000	[22:27]
mnathani_	are those actual images?	[22:28]
mercutio	if there's a transparent proxy it'll hit with bryce's link but not mine yeah they're just random pixels though	[22:28]
brycec	mnathani_: they'll render, sure... but it's static/random	[22:28]
mercutio	it's better than speedtest.net's upload test of zeros but it's still dedupable well you can also hack it to cache too i was playing with it ;) but it won't give you a result if it goes faster than 1 gigabit i was just rewriting urls, it's the same mini.zip thingy for the real speed test servers too	[22:28]
mnathani_	I probably shouldnt test from 2 hosts simultaneously hitting brycec's vps	[22:33]
mercutio	haha yeah he'll have 100 megabit nothing has been extremely bad though, so it's diff from the packet loss issue	[22:35]
brycec	(and a portion of that is constantly in use :p)	[22:36]
mercutio	heh la.meh.net.nz has done like 1tb of data in the last 100 days i thoguht that was quite a lot in+out combined oh i've lost it now because i updated the kernel	[22:36]
mnathani_	is that your dedicated box at ARP ?	[22:37]
mercutio	it was more like 900gb i think it's a vm on dedicated box	[22:37]
mnathani_	so gigabit pipe	[22:37]
mercutio	yeh but yeah there's a reason why i don't normally do 200mb tests ;)	[22:37]
mnathani_	atleast not automated ones with smokeping	[22:39]
mercutio	well with smokeping it's 200k	[22:39]
brycec	brycec notices a few telltale spikes on today's ARP bandwidth graph ;)	[22:40]
mercutio	and it's pretty flat except sometimes gets better/worse but stays good/bad yeah i wonder if up_the_irons will see it on his graphs	[22:40]
mnathani_	my memory usage on windows desktop is at 88% and I cant seem to figure out whats using up 21 Gigs of Ram	[22:40]
brycec	it's relattively minor on mine, so almost certainly unnoticed.	[22:40]
mercutio	i think some people are doing huge amounts of bandwidth so maybe it'll fade into the background mnathani_: haha	[22:40]
mnathani_	and I dont want to reboot	[22:41]
mercutio	i'm not even doing anything on windoms and it's using 5.7gb two chorme windows, task manager, crystal disk mark, steam, a command prompt, skype, and foobar2000	[22:41]
brycec	hm I do have an arp metal box... I should set something up on it.	[22:42]
mercutio	chrome is runing a lot of processes for two windows	[22:42]
mnathani_	almost 90 chrome processes for me	[22:43]
mercutio	skype is using 174.1mx of ram mb how do you find out the number of chrome processes?	[22:43]
mnathani_	I counted in the details	[22:43]
mercutio	god i don't want to do that :)	[22:43]
mnathani_	probably a better way using grep \| wc -l or something if you have cygwin	[22:43]
mercutio	chrome://memory-redirect/ i don't have cygwin i have synergy i just use linux :) chrome is using 1.3gb of private virtual memry	[22:44]
mnathani_	c:>tasklist \| grep chrome \| wc -l 85	[22:44]
mercutio	and 700mb of private memory sj ;,ddk oh sweet	[22:44]
mnathani_	when I installed git I chose the option to install unix tools in my path	[22:45]
mercutio	% cat tl \| grep -i chrome \| wc -l 16 i cut and paste it :) i had tasklist actually i piped it to a file, then used notepad on it and cut and paste it cat tl \| awk '{ print $5, $_}' \| sort -n will show you what's using the most ram well "cat tl" can be tasklist for you	[22:46]
mnathani_	'awk' is not recognized as an internal or external command	[22:48]
mercutio	gawk? mawk? nawk?	[22:48]
mnathani_	c:>tasklist \| gawk '{ print $5, $_}' \| sort -n -nThe system cannot find the file specified.	[22:48]
mercutio	haha shit just cut and paste it to linux? or bsd same diff :) hell even a mac will work windows is so behind	[22:48]
mnathani_	there is probably a powershell equivalent	[22:49]
mercutio	i wonder what sort does you maybe to output to a file and use the sort command yeah sort doesn't take standard input and you can tell it how much memory to use	[22:49]
mnathani_	task manager has a listing with memory but its not accurate	[22:50]
mercutio	tasklist said 239,852 kb memory and task manager said 171 mb i think it was for skype	[22:51]
mnathani_	lol turns out it was VLC that had massive videos on pause	[22:51]
mercutio	don't you wish for "top"? was it prebuffering the whole file or something?	[22:51]
mnathani_	it had a portion in memory video was 48 gigs	[22:52]
mercutio	23gb though?	[22:52]
mnathani_	I was doing some video rendering earlier as well process might just have been hanging in the background or something I am running the curl speed tests on a Toronto VPS	[22:54]
mercutio	will be interesting to see how it compares	[22:55]
mnathani_	not sure what the max speed of this vps is	[22:56]
mercutio	you shall find out :)	[22:57]
mnathani_	wow	[22:57]
mercutio	comparative is intersting anyway	[22:57]
mnathani_	12.7 MB/s from LA	[22:57]
mercutio	i got more than that before from nz you'll hvae like 100 msec ping or something	[22:57]
mnathani_	you had gigabit though	[22:57]
mercutio	so do you that menas means	[22:57]
mnathani_	100 megabits / sec = 12.5 megabytes per second	[22:58]
mercutio	yaeh but 100 megabit physical ethernet never does 12.7mb/sec :) it can sometimes do 11mb/sec	[22:59]
BryceBot	That's what she said!!	[22:59]
mnathani_	http://pastebin.com/Bt9cXc6E	[23:00]
mercutio	hmm that's actually lokoing really good	[23:00]
mnathani_	UK is a bit low	[23:01]
mercutio	tthe uk server doesn't haev good provider redundancy it's just using level3 and some people don't have good connections to level3	[23:01]
mnathani_	but thats expected going over the pond	[23:01]
mercutio	not really it's way closer than nz japan is going surprisingly well what speed do you get from that vps?	[23:01]
mnathani_	its a customer vps I never really tested	[23:03]
mercutio	oh that route is over any2ix too it's any2ix/he.net	[23:03]
mnathani_	would you be surprised if route to jp from that vps woas out cogent	[23:04]
mercutio	it's what japan uses to get to it that matters wow the forward route is ntt->cogent too it's going via seattle what location is slc oh is that salt lake city? it's any2ix from nz too but via northern side hitting palo alto	[23:04]
mnathani_	http://pastebin.com/XavbkEi5	[23:07]
mercutio	yeah the reverse route is basically the same can you try to the nz server again? i just upped the transmit window size	[23:08]
mnathani_	thats the one with the IP	[23:09]
mercutio	yeah	[23:09]
mnathani_	instead of hostname?	[23:09]
mercutio	it's emerald.meh.net.nz if you want a name for it bad habit :) i know what it is :)	[23:09]
mnathani_	http://pastebin.com/HSw0G1bL	[23:11]
mercutio	slightly better actualyl about 50% better a bit less but damn when did he.net get good? :)	[23:12]
mnathani_	just tested downlaoding to myself from the toronto VPS : http://pastebin.com/9cYizZzR	[23:14]
mercutio	nice maybe you should bounce your connections via it haha cable can often have inconsistent speeds comcast, cox, verizon are all like that they all have sub par routing bulk/cheap but from the little i read about teksavvy it sonuded like they wanted to be better than other people so maybe they will peer more and more and upgrade their network etc. but why some any2ix fast and some slow is bizzare it doesn't seem like an arp issue but it's hard to know for suure	[23:14]
mnathani_	I consistently max my connection while using usenet	[23:19]
mercutio	to a close server?	[23:19]
mnathani_	they use a pool and geo dns	[23:19]
mercutio	joh yip oh yip well any2ix is ages away from torronto :/	[23:19]
mnathani_	haven't run a trace to them	[23:19]
mercutio	but i can't for the life of me figure why it would be slower	[23:20]
mnathani_	http://pastebin.com/ddGVk8mY thats one of the usenet servers not sure if they do anycasting too	[23:21]
	does appear to be an anycast address	[23:27]
mercutio	you suure?	[23:30]
mnathani_	pretty sure	[23:30]
mercutio	that's going to east coast for me it seems	[23:30]
mnathani_	I got low ping from ARP and Toronto and IL	[23:31]
mercutio	weird i get high ping from nz sj to la to dc connects to hwng in sj	[23:31]
mnathani_	how do I get mtr report to be 2 times as wide	[23:32]
mercutio	lots of things are high ping here though like ebay	[23:32]
mnathani_	so hostnames are visible	[23:32]
mercutio	and amazon amazon is around 230 msec i dunno why it's so high ebay lost hop it shows is phoenix at 150msec but it seems to load slow actually it's better than it used to be i thought sites like that were meant to be heavily optimised thogh :)	[23:32]
mnathani_	try doing a dns lookup	[23:35]
mercutio	ok	[23:35]
mnathani_	see if you get a different ip	[23:35]
mercutio	on what name?	[23:35]
mnathani_	news.newshosting.com	[23:35]
mercutio	nope same location news.newshosting.com is an alias for news.iad.newshosting.com. i assume that is location	[23:35]
mnathani_	and 2 ips?	[23:36]
mercutio	yeah .28 and .29 same ip you had	[23:36]
mnathani_	is there a way to use looking glass to check as path and determine anycast or perhaps they just peer a lot	[23:36]
mercutio	BGP.as_path: 9559 17746 4610 4826 12989 29798 it says dc from arp too and 60+ msec that's not low ping :) well it's low ping for east coast but it's still east coast	[23:37]
mnathani_	hmm .. so its not anycast ?	[23:39]
mercutio	yeah but it's nearish to you	[23:39]
mnathani_	I think they have different dns names for europe	[23:40]
mercutio	yeah could do	[23:40]
.... (idle for 17mn)
brycec	So I recently started getting random hits for /data/v3/config.dat from some misconfigured Maxthon browser thinger. I got tired of firewalling the random IP's, and I have plenty of bandwidth to spare, so I pointed them at a 48GB (sparse) file instead. The last request gave up around 300MB MWUAhahaha	[23:57]
mercutio	haha what crazy wouldn't it be better to feed it out really slowly?	[23:58]
brycec	46.166.186.230 vps3.cobryce.com:443 - [20/Mar/2015:23:32:31 -0700] "GET /data/v3/config.dat HTTP/1.1" 200 365837887 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Maxthon/4.4.3.4000 Chrome/30.0.1599.101 Safari/537.36" mercutio: but that's harder It's supposed to be some "safe browsing" file from what I found Googling it. So I'm possibly overwhelming the hapless computers. :D	[23:58]

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