[03:14] <phlux> Good morning nerds
[03:28] <mercutio> evening
[03:33] <phlux> gdi
[03:33] <phlux> i can't find my pants
[03:35] <dne> pants are overrated
[03:37] <phlux> I concur
[03:37] <phlux> That is why I took them off yesterday without second thought and forgot where I placed them
[03:37] <phlux> Fortunately, my wife has located them
[03:37] <phlux> Crisis avoided
[03:44] <mercutio> does anyonw know if it's possible to get grub to output to both serial and normal console ?
[03:44] <phlux> I have no experience there
[03:59] <plett> mercutio: Yes. But not at the same time. You typically get a "press any key to activate" message on both consoles and whichever one hits a key first is used
[04:00] <dne> this seems to imply that you could have both at the same time (terminal_output --append ...): https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/terminal_005foutput.html#terminal_005foutput
[04:01] <dne> same for "terminal_input"
[04:02] <mercutio> plett: lame
[04:02] <mercutio> dne: hmm
[04:02] <mercutio> will it take input from any?  ist hat grub2?
[04:02] <dne> yup I think so
[04:03] <plett> mercutio: I've never needed to control a boot from both physical console and serial console at the same time. I'm always either sat in front of one or the other, not both
[04:03] <mercutio> plett: i just thought it'd be a nice default
[04:03] <plett> It is. I have puppet set it up on all our physical machines
[04:05] <plett> The stuff that I have augeus do via puppet is this on a CentOS/RHEL box:
[04:06] <plett>     changes => [
[04:06] <plett>       "setm title/kernel/ console $console",
[04:06] <plett>       "rm splashimage",
[04:06] <plett>       "rm terminal",
[04:06] <plett>       "rm serial",
[04:06] <plett>       "ins serial after timeout",
[04:06] <plett>       "ins terminal after serial",
[04:06] <plett>       "set serial/unit 0",
[04:06] <plett>       "set serial/speed 9600",
[04:06] <plett>       "set serial/word 8",
[04:06] <plett>       "set terminal/timeout 5",
[04:06] <plett>       "clear terminal/serial",
[04:06] <plett>       "clear terminal/console",
[04:06] <plett>     ],
[04:06] <plett> Oops, that was longer than I thought it would be, sorry for spam
[04:07] <plett> Under Debian-oids it is much easier, you can set an option in /etc/default/grub and it Just Works
[04:08] <mercutio> hmm
[04:11] <plett> And if you still have to support RHEL/CentOS 5, the order in which you configure consoles in grub is critical. That's why that augeus config is so specific and long-winded
[04:16] <mercutio> i'm just doing work on arp templates for vm's, and thouught it'd be convenient if people could get a serial console at grub by default
[04:17] <mercutio> but i don't want it to be more complicated for people who don't want to use serial console
[04:18] <mercutio> pressing a key seems to be a little less transparent :(
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[22:11] <bells> Hello
[22:11] <bells> Is there a free mail client that I can get so I do not get errors(Cannot open URL) when I click on mail address on a website http://tinypic.com/r/2igfw47/8
[22:17] <m0unds> ...
[22:18] <m0unds> http://www.claws-mail.org/
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[22:52] <mnathani_> how much difference in cpu power would I get going from say : Intel Xeon E5-2620 V2   to Intel Xeon E5-2690 V2
[23:21] <mercutio> about 40%?
[23:21] <mercutio> i'm just throwing out random numbers.
[23:21] <mercutio> if you hvae multithreaded workloads then it's probably more improvement with 2 cpus
[23:22] <mercutio> for multithreaded workloads you can get some idea from passmark
[23:22] <mercutio> http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Xeon+E5-2620+v2+%40+2.10GHz
[23:22] <mercutio> http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Xeon+E5-2690+v2+%40+3.00GHz
[23:23] <mercutio> way more difference then i guessed
[23:23] <mercutio> it's close to twice as fast
[23:23] <mercutio> it's 10 core instead of 6 core, and 50% faster clock rate.
[23:24] <mercutio> 10 cores seems like a strang enumber
[23:24] <mercutio> haha you should see the price diff though
[23:24] <mercutio> e5-2620v2 $382.81, e5-2690v2 $226.04+4.99 shipping
[23:25] <mercutio> err 2226
[23:25] <mercutio> >>> (382.01)/(2226.04+5)
[23:25] <mercutio> 0.17122507888697647
[23:25] <mercutio> 17.12% of the cost