[00:21] *** mnathani_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [01:44] oh super [02:05] *** NiTeMaRe has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [02:10] *** NiTeMaRe has joined #arpnetworks [03:36] *** mnathani_ has joined #arpnetworks [03:38] my vultr vps is down :-( Packets: Sent = 60, Received = 3, Lost = 57 (95% loss) [03:45] what location? [03:50] vultr's network can be kind of bad [03:51] New Jersey [03:52] There is a problem with the machine your VM is hosted on. Our staff are currently investigating, and will have the issue resolved ASAP. [03:53] I guess you get what you pay for [03:53] it was down for ages in japan a while back [03:54] you have to ask if you want them to credit your account for downtime. [03:54] i'm only using vultr for smokeping/bw testing though [03:54] and to have a reference point etc. [03:54] but dallas and uk have hd a few issues recently too [03:54] and sydney was screwed for ages [04:17] I am wondering if Digial Ocean is any better? [04:26] i dunno [04:31] *** AnxiousGarlic has joined #arpnetworks [04:31] *** AnxiousGarlic has left [04:36] *** LT has joined #arpnetworks [05:23] s/Digial/Digital [05:23] I am wondering if Digital Ocean is any better? [09:52] *** sarkis has joined #arpnetworks [09:57] *** thestereobus has quit IRC (Quit: thestereobus) [09:59] I've got my $5/month DO fbsd building 8.4 and 9.3 packages now. [09:59] so when I move my ARP machine to 9.3, I'll already have all the packages built. [10:00] looks like 9.3 is now EOLed at the end of 2016... that'll be nice. [10:00] I was worried about moving all the way to 10 quickly [10:08] yeah, i kind of regret going 10.1 with this box [10:12] what was the biggest problems? [10:13] a few ports were incremented that caused issues for a couple webapps i use [10:13] more annoying/inconvenient than anything [10:16] I, on the other hand, am quite happy with my FreeBSD 10 systems [10:16] (fwiw) [10:16] generally, i'm fine with it [10:17] 9.x -> 10 was awful as an upgrade. clean install would likely have been a lot less of a headache for me [10:18] I don't remember having any significant issues 9->10 [10:18] i upgraded pretty quickly after 10 came out to try it out, and it seemed like they had reports of the issues w/some of the upgrade process and fixed them (namely, new paths not being created) [10:18] so tons of stuff would break at boot [10:18] heh [10:30] i can't believe how broken vpn support is on android 4.4.x [10:30] *** LT has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [10:32] so, I got the goahead from the client to develop in angularjs using the google materials plugins. neat. [10:46] seeing intermittent packet loss via ipv4 again [11:58] *** sarkis_ has joined #arpnetworks [12:00] *** sarkis has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [12:10] *** mnathani has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [12:17] argh [12:19] argv [12:19] argc [12:34] **kwargs [12:41] *** mnathani has joined #arpnetworks [13:44] *** YesThatTom has joined #arpnetworks [14:56] *** AnxiousGarlic has joined #arpnetworks [14:56] *** AnxiousGarlic has left [15:22] **kwargs, lol [15:41] so is there going to be a freebsd 9.4? [15:47] Don't think so considering 9.3 is considered legacy [15:48] (and it's not listed on releng, just 10.2 and 11.0) [15:53] 10.2? [15:54] https://www.freebsd.org/releng/index.html November 2015 [15:54] oh it's like 8 months out [16:09] zx [16:09] cv [16:09] up_the_irons: out of curiosity, did you end up locating the customer's switchport [16:10] *** YesThatTom has left [16:10] with the 1Gbps spikes? [16:26] sweet freebsd developer is looking into freebsd 10.1 hang issue now (and can reproduce) [16:28] acf_: not yet, i'm pretty perplexed. i don't see those spikes today though. there was some traffic around 200 Mbps, but that's about it [16:29] *** sarkis_ is now known as sarkis [16:30] the last loss on my smokeping was about 15 hours ago [16:30] *** sarkis has quit IRC (Changing host) [16:30] *** sarkis has joined #arpnetworks [16:30] but m0unds said he was seeing loss 6 hours ago [16:30] maybe unrelated. [16:30] yep, from 0900MDT -> 1100MDT [16:30] yeah [16:30] it would go from ipv6 to ipv4 [16:31] it was weird, but it's done it two days in a row [16:31] similar timeframe too [16:32] just didn't have the opportunity to traceroute or anything yesterday because i was flying home [16:33] it wasn't as bad today as it was yesterday though. it triggered multiple svc monitoring alerts yesterday [16:38] maybe it's some new exploit [16:39] i dunno what was with gtt the other day [16:39] oh www.gtt.net isn't showing cloudfare anti-ddos page today. [16:40] > 08:43 < acf_> oh super [16:40] last loss I saw [16:40] i saw packet loss at 1316mdt last time, but it was short lived [16:40] other stuff was ~5-10mins' worth [16:41] http://kremvax.acfsys.net/smokeping.cgi?epoch_start=1425884400;hierarchy=;epoch_end=1425895200;target=Remote.googledns;displaymode=n;start=2015-03-09%2000%3A00;end=2015-03-09%2003%3A00;Generate%21=Generate%21 [16:41] there it is^ [16:45] is there some way to cut/paste long urls with weechat/tmux? [16:45] multiline ones have the user list next to them, so you have to cut and paste 2 or 3 lines [16:46] oh wow that's severe [16:46] but 4.2.2.1 is fine [16:46] I use irssi [16:46] the URL just wraps, and xfce4-terminal detects it [16:46] hmm [16:46] i'm using urxvt [16:47] hah i can press ctrl-down a lot and make the text tiny and copy [16:47] 8.8.8.8 outbound path at least is routed via any2ix [16:48] i dunno about incoming path though, and google don't have looking glasses [16:52] A port of Codel exists for BSD and is available in pfsense and elsewhere. [16:53] i didn't realise fq_codel had been ported to freebsd [16:54] Weechat 1.1 has a keybinding for re-wrapping URLs so they're easier to select or click on. [16:55] alt+l by default. [16:55] there's a weechat script you can use to call out to bitly api or whatever too [16:55] I run that script on my work machine; my only complaint with it is that it runs in the same thread as weechat itself, so if bitly is slow, weechat is hung. [16:56] yeah, i've noticed the same thing [16:56] alt-l seems to do nothing for me [16:56] i have 1.1.1 apparently [16:57] oh i have 1.0.1 running [16:57] it's been upgraded but i haven't restarted. i had to version myself :) [16:57] nice [16:57] maybe i should restart sometime [16:57] ^ that's the command. It toggles, apparently. [16:58] but it's only in 1.1? [16:58] I believe so. [16:58] Feel free to try it in 1.0.1! [16:58] i can't remember how many times i tried alt-l :) [17:00] i can't see it in /key, but it's really long [17:01] It's just between meta-k and meta-m ! [17:02] oh yeah it's not there [17:02] ther's also meta2 and meta-j-blah [17:02] 226 key bindings for context "default": [17:06] bah i'll try it [17:06] *** mercutio has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [17:07] *** ben2 has joined #arpnetworks [17:07] wow [17:07] *** ben2 is now known as mercutio [17:08] that was actually pretty painless [17:08] I use urlserver, so rather than weechat depending on an external API, it serves me "shortened" URLs directly :) [17:08] it even saved all my session state :) [17:08] ok now i need another long url :) [17:08] Also, alt-l has been in weechat for as long as I can remember, so... several versions. Works in 1.0.1 [17:09] mercutio: like this https://wiki.opnsense.org/index.php/OPNsense:So_why_did_we_fork%3F [17:09] that's not long haha [17:09] i still don't have alt-l i think! [17:09] sorry, it's the longest url I have open :P [17:10] Maybe you mapped over it, mercutio ? [17:10] nah it's just unmapped [17:10] https://weechat.org/files/doc/weechat_faq.en.html#terminal_copy_paste [17:10] just need to find what it maps to [17:11] oh! [17:11] ctrl-alt select works [17:11] Oh also http://dev.weechat.org/post/2014/02/16/Bare-display [17:11] or nick list at top :) [17:11] i just turn the nicklist off altogether [17:11] oh nick list at help still shows some other stuff [17:12] I'm guessing mercutio your config pre-dates its addition, so it was never added/bound [17:12] yeah it's not there helpful other than knowing how many people are around in a split [17:12] i see [17:12] "use /key missing to add the key" [17:12] oh that works [17:12] it even loses colour [17:13] http://img.phluxbox.com/screenshots/ou2Aeh.png [17:13] no nicklist for me :) [17:13] meta2-23;3 [17:13] i wonder what key that is [17:13] that's about what mine looks like phlux [17:13] just without the fancy coloration [17:13] ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ [17:13] not bad, phlux [17:13] i have timestamps [17:14] Also, avoid ownCloud at all costs. [17:14] timestamps are actually quite handy [17:14] * brycec likes timestamps too [17:14] I toggle my timestamps [17:14] ahh [17:14] yeah, same here [17:14] my timestamps are boring [17:14] I always color them, but I lose the color for some reason :\ [17:14] Just boring ol' timestamps [17:15] every now and then i like weechat more [17:15] I'm using weechat [17:15] that /upgrade -quit then doing weechat --upgrade was nice [17:15] (clearly) [17:16] http://img.phluxbox.com/screenshots/gei6Og.png there's a shot of the whole wm [17:16] i enabled timestamps for that one :P [17:16] hah i'm #zfsonlinux and the nick list takes up the whole screen [17:16] I don't see the point of a nicklist in a cli client tbh [17:16] How did I not know about /upgrade... that shit's awesome. [17:17] it's just to know big splits are [17:17] I use /upgrade often [17:17] mercutio: I can see that by the nick count in the status bar :P [17:17] I agree, nicklist is kinda pointless... but I still show mine, just habit. [17:17] I'm on -git [17:17] oh [17:17] I probably need to upgrade.. [17:17] hah zfsonlinux has 295 [17:17] WeeChat 1.1-rc1 (git: v1.1-rc1-2-g966a7b5) [compiled on Dec 25 2014 00:16:01] [17:19] As you can probably tell in my full screenshot, I don't really have enough real estate on this laptop for a nicklist anyways [17:20] /bar hide nicklist [17:20] oops [17:20] i figured you had low res by your font [17:21] aye [17:22] i don't think i have anything installed to take a screenshot [17:23] scrot ftw [17:23] i have import [17:23] Good ol ImageMagick [17:24] https://weallsee.net/screen.png [17:25] so the side nick thing wasn't taking up too much space [17:25] It's always surprising when a screenshot fills my entire screen [17:25] this is after goign to lower resolution [17:25] the notion title bars need to be made smaller again :/ [17:25] you monster [17:26] (for having such a hi-res display) [17:26] it's only 1440p [17:27] "only" when poor phlux has < 1080p... [17:27] he's got a laptop [17:28] the keyboards on laptops are bad enough :) [17:28] I like my ThinkPad's keyboard [17:28] i use mechanical keyboards. [17:28] as do i [17:28] even on spare machines. [17:28] doesn't mean I can't also like non-mech [17:28] yeh. [17:28] my hp laptop has terrible keyboard. [17:29] at least it has the non trackpad mouse thingy [17:29] i found 1440p to 4k really didn't help /that/ much [17:30] like you can onyl focus on so many things at once... [17:30] and you can only have text so small [18:05] aye, this is a ThinkPad [18:05] I like its keyboard also [18:06] I just got a Filco Majestouch Minila. [18:06] brown switches. [18:07] i like brown [18:07] i have brown, blue, red on dfif keyboards. [18:07] I installed o-rings. [18:07] i make so many typos with red if i'm not careful. [18:07] i really should swap back to brown :/ [18:07] i have o-rings too. [18:08] even the thin o-rings were good enough for me, and i split them across two keyboards... [18:08] it takes a while to pop all the keys off [18:08] switches..? [18:08] I just got cheap o-rings. [18:08] $2 for a pack of 100. [18:08] i got the wasd ones. [18:08] i don't think it was terribly expensive [18:09] Probably like $10-$20. [18:09] i got them via ebay cos it's easier with paypal etc [18:09] yeh something like that [18:09] a bit more than that [18:09] The minila is a tenkeyless keyboard. It took me about 30 minutes to install the o-rings. [18:09] $17.99+$6.55 postage. [18:09] my brown keyboard is 10keyless [18:10] it was really good after i bound mouse button to enter key [18:10] I got mine on Amazon for about $2 with free shipping. [18:10] i didn't realise that i kept on pressing enter with my left thumb from mouse [18:10] i don't need numeric pad - but that enter key is really handy when browsing etc. [18:11] so i just rebound back or forward to it [18:11] caze: damn that's cheap :) [18:11] ebay i think had some from china pretty cheap. [18:11] amazon is pretty expensive for international shipping [18:12] it only really works well for fullfilled by amazon stuff too [18:13] which is most stuff. except motherboards. [18:13] http://www.amazon.com/008-Buna-N-O-Ring-Durometer-Black/dp/B000FMWLR8/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1425949938&sr=8-2&keywords=buna+o-ring [18:13] Amazon: "008 Buna-N O-Ring, 70A Durometer, Black, 3/16" ID, 5/16" OD, 1/16" Width (Pack of 100)" [18:13] This item does not ship to Auckland, New Zealand. Please check other sellers who may ship internationally. Learn more [18:14] yeah i can't get those ones [18:14] http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sales-150pcs-White-Rubber-O-Ring-Switch-Dampeners-For-Cherry-MX-Replace-Part-IS-/271463970610?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item3f34837732 [18:14] can get those though [18:15] do you like having o-rings? [18:15] Yeah, it's a lot quieter. [18:16] i was thinking about feel wise. [18:16] Ideally, you don't notice them, because you're not supposed to bottom out the key in the first place. [18:17] They're like car bumpers; ideally, you never feel them. [18:21] yeah [18:21] i press quite hard so i bottom out a bit with red. [18:21] but when i flow better i stop bottoming out so much [19:51] brycec, sweet [19:52] something tgey must of changed from moanibg mertkes like me :-D [19:52] i hate this keyboard [20:30] i've never found a keyboard i really loved. [20:30] i'm a lot happier with current mechanical keyboards - but i still feel they could be beter. [20:31] but laptop keyboards are just varying degrees of hate [20:31] curiously i found i can plug a mechanical keyboard into my cellphone even :) [20:31] I'd like to try Matias quiet click switches. [20:31] noise isn't a real concern for me - feedback is. [20:32] I've plugged my mouse into my phone. [20:32] tbh, i think this keyboard probably needs a clean, some of the keys press easier than others. [20:32] i just have a cheap phone, that's only 720p, but it has lte. and ssh from it with a real keyboard is quite comfortable. [20:32] s/and/but/ [20:32] i just have a cheap phone, that's only 720p, but it has lte. but ssh from it with a real keyboard is quite comfortable. [20:32] If I had time or the inclination to assemble a keyboard, I'd get one of the ones that pops up on massdrop. [20:33] i mean it's a tiny screen - but lte makes ping quite bearable. and difficult keys are much easier to press with a real keyboard. [20:34] *** grody has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [20:34] https://www.massdrop.com/buy/infinity-keyboard-kit [20:34] Something like that should be really easy to clean. [20:34] *** grody has joined #arpnetworks [20:40] i have some coolermaster mechanical w/red switches and no 10key [20:40] it's been ok, not too noisy but i don't really bottom out the keys [20:41] the key markings are lasered on the front of the keys vs the top, so you can't see them unless you look at an angle. kind of snazzy. [20:58] i stopped looking at keys when i started typing in dvorak [20:58] i often type in qwerty still, but the habit died. [21:06] is it normal for my nginx to be missing 'sites-available' directory [21:35] i've only seen it on ubuntu (might also be on debian, but i wouldn't know) [21:37] it's there on Debian [21:40] mnathani_: i don't think arch has that [21:40] it doesn't [21:40] ubuntu just copies debian packages :) [21:40] my nginx on arch has sites-available [21:40] but it's empty, [21:40] i wasn't sure about debian having it because i don't use it, i assumed that's probably why it was there [21:40] i probably copied config from ubuntu [21:40] yea [21:41] i just end up using that scheme because i'm used to it from years of ubuntu use [21:41] debian has gone to that with lots of things. i hate the new default unbound config. [21:41] they removed all the documentation from the config file, and instead just had a really cut down config [21:42] at least there's unbound.conf.example [21:42] I think it depends on the package maintainer [21:42] That's what she said!! [21:42] is it? [21:42] package maintainers have a lot of room to do what they like I think [21:43] yeah lots of packages maintainers screw around a lot [21:43] sometimes you read about developers being annoyed at it [21:43] at least i did in the past [21:43] i've noticed that lots of more recent packages seem to be maintaining themselves. [21:44] "maintaining themselves"? [21:44] ie the git repository will have debian/ etc directories. [21:44] oh I see [21:44] I suppose that's good [21:44] and they'll be more tied in with upstream pushes. [21:44] well it's better than someone who has no idea how the code works pushing bug fixes etc. [21:45] i mean when it first came about a whole lot of people just had tarballs for their software etc. [21:45] and sometimes fixes were needed for compiling [21:45] but now days if you write code and it doesn't "just work" on ubuntu you have issues. [21:46] a lot of the larger projects have build bots and incremental changes get compiled/tested on different os's too [21:47] yea [21:47] for multiple sites the sites-available/sites-enabled scheme does work pretty well [21:47] I use it [21:47] for smaller configs it doesn't matter either way [21:50] mercutio: you use OpenBSD a lot yeah? [21:50] I used to use it a lot, but then I got used to dpkg / apt-get [21:50] not a lot, but a bit [21:50] i use arch and ubuntu more. [21:51] but i'm familiar enough with openbsd. [21:51] and freebsd. [21:51] Debian dropped SPARC support recently [21:51] which is annoying for me [21:51] damn. [21:51] openbsd's sparc support has always been pretty good [21:51] yeah. so I'm trying OpenBSD and NetBSD on them [21:52] *the sparc boxen [21:52] but I'm trying to figure things out like how to manage software upgrades effectively [21:52] the last time i tried a sparc it was really slow generating ssh keys [21:52] and showing text to the console [21:52] software upgrades are a bit of a pita with openbsd tbh [21:53] there's a new openbsd binary upgrade thing that i haven't looked at yet [21:53] yea, I have two sparc boxen [21:53] one runs at 600 MHz [21:53] and is currently running my IRC client [21:53] did you max out ram? [21:53] ram should be cheap now [21:53] I think it has 512 MB [21:53] not sure about the max [21:54] oh not too bad then. [21:54] i hate the sparc ethernet interfaces [21:54] at least the older ones. [21:55] this one uses the 'gem' driver [21:55] yeah that's one of the not so great ones [21:55] I think I had trouble getting IPv6 to work over it [21:55] i think hme was the other not so great one [21:57] apparently the current openbsd hackathon is about smp [21:59] probably fixing locks in various ways .. [21:59] openbsd has most things in one big lock [22:00] NetBSD put a big focus on getting rid of the giant lock a while ago [22:00] yea [22:00] netbsd is pretty nice, i like it a lot [22:00] I tried building gccgo on it yesterday [22:01] but the build failed :( [22:01] doh [22:01] yeah openbsd has been a bit behind on that side [22:01] at least they're doing lots of positive software development [22:01] yeah, netbsd and openbsd both have clear strengths in different areas [22:01] i used netbsd as my primary server os for personal projects for a year or so [22:02] npf is pretty cool, but sparsely documented [22:02] pkgin works really well as far as binary pkg mgmt goes [22:02] I remember pkgin being really great, almost like dpkg [22:02] but it doesn't seem to manage the core system [22:03] right, it's like pkgin [22:03] err [22:03] pkgng [22:03] just handles packages you install on the base system [22:04] openbsd is ilke that too [22:04] the base system doesn't have packages [22:04] for openbsd, you use pkg_add et al, right? [22:04] you can use sysupgrade to help make base system updates a bit easier [22:05] but it's still kind of a pain in the ass, despite any automation their extra tools provide [22:05] usually with netbsd I end up running CURRENT [22:05] sometimes the release will be really unstable, and I'll try CURRENT, and it will work great :P [22:06] heh [22:06] yeah, that was the case w/my crappy little netbook [22:06] yeah for openbsd there's pkg_add [22:06] which works pretty well tbh [22:06] does it have an automatic package upgrade thing? [22:07] pkg_add -uvr [22:08] -u upgrade, -v verbose, -r recursive [22:08] err -r is replace actually [22:08] does that just go through all of your installed packages and upgrade them? [22:08] yeah [22:09] you need PKG_PATH to point to the mirror [22:09] arp has a mirror :) [22:09] nice [22:09] PKG_PATH=http://mirrors.arpnetworks.com/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/packages/amd64 [22:09] so something ilke that for -current [22:09] ugh, awful network blip [22:09] and s/snapshots/5.6/ for 5.6 [22:10] m0unds: damn you still having issues [22:10] mtr time! [22:10] it stopped again [22:10] m0unds: just leave a mtr running in tmux? [22:10] that's what i normally do if there are issues that come and go [22:11] m0unds: how do you see it? just notice ssh slows down? [22:11] the only problem is that i can't get connected to the box at all when it takes a hit like that [22:11] keystrokes stop registering [22:11] can't ping the vm [22:11] ah [22:11] ssh sessions drop [22:11] m0unds: but if you connect to it when you can connect to it, and run tmux, and start a mtr to your hoem connection you can get to it later [22:11] I've been seeing ~50%, not 100% [22:11] what kvr are you on? [22:11] 3 i think [22:11]