[00:00] <acf_> "However, a critical detail was overlooked in that backbone provider GTT/nLayer was doing the majority of the heavy lifting for CloudFlare."
[00:00] <mercutio> (usually you'll hit a peered connection when browsing hosted sites)
[00:00] <mercutio> yeah but i see ntt :)
[00:00] <mercutio> maybe ntt do flowspec now
[00:00] <acf_> so GTT was integral to the CloudFlare implementation at one point
[00:00] <BryceBot> TO THE CLOUD!!!
[00:00] <acf_> that's interesting
[00:01] <mercutio> https://njetwork.wordpress.com/2013/04/30/mitigating-ddos-attacks-with-bgp-flow-specification/
[00:01] <mercutio> The specification was written by guys from Cisco, Juniper, Arbor Networks and NTT America, but only Juniper implements it at the time of writing.
[00:01] <mercutio> so yeah maybe ntt are implementing it now
[00:02] <mercutio> but yeah now they're not, and they're hosting on cloudflare, and they can't handle ddos??
[00:02] <mercutio> that anti ddos protection crap at the beginning is like soimething to enable when you're under active ddos attack to try and reduce traffic
[00:06] <acf_> that seems like it would be expensive to implement on all of your network's routers
[00:06] <acf_> if you're NTT and you have a bunch of customers
[00:06] <acf_> and you have to deal with all of their firewall rules
[00:06] <acf_> like rate limiting individual traffic streams?
[00:06] <acf_> seems like that has to be stateful, for each stream
[00:07] <acf_> > then rate-limit 1m;
[00:07] <mercutio> i have never looked into it tbh
[00:34] <mercutio> :666 blackhole stops most ddos attacks.
[00:34] <mercutio> err blackhole community, it is noramlly called 666 as that's the community number standard :)
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[14:25] <grody> my isp has an extremely effective ddos detection
[14:26] <grody> as soon as they see traffic being sent down your line faster than it is connected, they simply sever you (they also have means to filter certain types of dos too)
[14:26] <grody> realisticly end users can only hope for that, at least if i get shunted offline i can log into their panels and see why im offline
[14:29] <grody> after much playing (and subtle hair loss) - i have found my solution - debian & xen
[14:29] <grody> hyper-v is nice n all, quite fast for freebsd guests - but no way of vga passthru on my system by looks
[14:30] <grody> just need to get a way for debian to give me an option to go full X and only run the background guests (that need no head), or to choose windows passthru & background guests and leave the host idle for ssh
[14:36] <acf_> the Level3 trunk is acting strange
[14:42] <mercutio> grody: have you tired that alternative to vnc
[14:42] <mercutio> uhh spice
[14:45] <grody> have been reading about that
[14:45] <mercutio> it's a lot nicer
[14:45] <grody> have been using the sdl interface vs vnc
[14:45] <mercutio> ahh ok i haven't palyed with that
[14:46] <grody> it's faster in general, but if you lose that window, you kill the vm
[14:46] <mercutio> spice is fast over lan
[14:46] <mercutio> i can't remember what it's like over internet
[14:46] <grody> ahh i'll be running everything locally
[14:47] <mercutio> well it's still worth a shot
[14:47] <mercutio> by fast i mean web browsing on windows was good from linux :)
[14:47] <mercutio> like scrollign was good even
[14:52] <mercutio> for some reason most remote video still scrolls terribly
[15:01] <RandalSchwartz> I did it!  I hacked my first fbsd ports Makefile!
[15:02] <RandalSchwartz> p5-Business-ISBM required a newer ExtUtils::Makemaker, so I added that to my BUILD_DEPENDS
[15:02] * RandalSchwartz does a happydance
[15:03] <RandalSchwartz> now to submit that patch back upstream
[15:03] <mercutio> i had heaps of problems with freebsd ports back when i used freebsd as a desktop :/
[15:03] <mercutio> it seemed that any given time lots of things were out of sync
[15:03] <mercutio> there was no stable branch?
[15:03] <mercutio> i haven't had any issues recently with much less ports used though
[15:04] <mercutio> but they always seem to change dependencys around for versions
[15:04] <mercutio> mind you that was mostly with things like gnome etc
[15:05] <RandalSchwartz> stable what?
[15:05] <mercutio> like when doing cvs upgrade on the ports tree
[15:06] <RandalSchwartz> well - it claims it needs perl 5.18, which probably has the required module in core
[15:06] <mercutio> you don't have release tagged versions, it just constantly updates.
[15:06] <RandalSchwartz> EUMM is one of those "dual-tagged" modules
[15:06] <RandalSchwartz> both a core version, and a version in CPAN
[15:06] <RandalSchwartz> I'm still running 5.16, so I had to "upgrade" my EUMM
[15:06] <RandalSchwartz> but poudriere always starts with a clean slate
[15:08] <RandalSchwartz> this is the first time that has been a problem. :)
[15:08] <RandalSchwartz> I built EUMM 7.04, and that's what's installed on my host machine
[15:09] <RandalSchwartz> but poudriere used the 5.16 perl stock EUMM, and p5-Business-ISBN hated that
[15:09] <mercutio> hmm
[15:09] <mercutio> i think i have perl 5.20
[15:09] <mercutio> well on linux
[15:09] <mercutio> i've got no idea what perl has been changing in their new versions
[15:09] <RandalSchwartz> perldoc perldelta :)
[15:30] <mercutio> ahh i have 5.20.2
[15:30] <mercutio> lots of little things?
[15:30] <mercutio>   Errno has been upgraded from version 1.20_03 to 1.20_05.
[15:30] <mercutio> that means nothing to me for instance
[15:35] <RandalSchwartz> it means nothing to me either. :)
[15:35] <RandalSchwartz> it probably means they fixed some bugs.
[15:35] <RandalSchwartz> the perldelta has a lot of insignificant noise.
[15:56] <mercutio> it seems to be mostly language and unicode improvements
[15:57] <mercutio> err and fixes
[16:05] <RandalSchwartz> what does a freebsd ABI look like?
[16:05] <RandalSchwartz> as in, in pkg.conf, ${ABI}
[16:06] <RandalSchwartz> ahh... like this: freebsd:8:x86:64
[16:11] <RandalSchwartz> I should name my poudriere jails like that too then
[16:15] <RandalSchwartz> hmm.  that doesn't look like anything in uname -a
[16:15] <RandalSchwartz> I wonder how you get the ABI
[16:15] <RandalSchwartz> I could look at the source of pkg, I guess... since it parses pkg.conf with that var
[16:19] <RandalSchwartz> Oh... geez.  pkg gets it literally by reading the elf info from /bin/sh
[16:21] <RandalSchwartz> pkg query '%o %q' can show you the same ABI string too
[16:46] <mercutio> that souunds dirty
[16:46] <BryceBot> That's what she said!!
[16:47] <mercutio> but maybe it's so you can have different kernels and userspace
[17:21] <mnathani_> @weather houston
[17:21] <BryceBot> Multiple locations matched your query: Houston, AL (zmw:35572.1.99999), Houston, AK (zmw:99694.1.99999), Houston, AR (zmw:72070.1.99999), Houston, BC, CA (zmw:00000.3.71950), Houston, CO (zmw:80138.3.99999), Houston, DE (zmw:19954.1.99999), Houston, IL (zmw:62286.3.99999), Houston, MN (zmw:55943.1.99999), Houston, MS (zmw:38851.1.99999), Houston, MO (zmw:65483.1.99999), Houston, OH (zmw:45333.1.99999), Houston, PA (zmw:15342.1.99999), Houston, SD
[17:21] <mnathani_> @weather houston, tx
[17:21] <BryceBot> Houston, TX: Overcast ☁ 56°F (13°C), Humidity: 46%, Wind: From the NE at 1.0 MPH Gusting to 6.0 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=29.713865,-95.262833 or re-request this with: @weather -v houston, tx
[17:21] <mnathani_> @weather -v houston, tx
[17:21] <BryceBot> Houston, TX: Overcast ☁ 56°F (13°C), Humidity: 46%, Wind: From the NE at 1.0 MPH Gusting to 6.0 MPH, Pressure: 30.36inHg (1028mb) and holding, Dewpoint: 36°F (2°C), Visibility: 10Mi (16km), UV index: 0, Sunrise 06:40, Sunset: 18:24, Lunar phase: Waning gibbous
[17:21] <BryceBot> Saturday: Overcast 62°F/50°F (16°C/10°C)  |  Sunday: Rain 56°F/51°F (13°C/11°C)  |  Monday: Rain 59°F/57°F (15°C/14°C)  |  Tuesday: Rain 62°F/52°F (17°C/11°C)
[17:21] <BryceBot> The average high for this date is 71°F (22°C), and the record of 90°F (32°C) was set in 1911. The average low is 51°F (11°C), and the record of 28°F (-2°C) was set in 1989
[18:10] <phlux> @weather -v 70458
[18:10] <BryceBot> Flood Warning in effect from 7:14 PM CST on March 7, 2015 until 2:14 AM CDT on March9, 2015: The Flood Warning continues for the Pearl River near Pearl River.* Until further notice.* At 6:00 PM Saturday the stage was 15.7 feet.* Minor flooding is occurring and minor flooding is forecast.* Flood stage is 14.0 feet.* Forecast...the river will continue rising to near 15.7 feet by  midnight tomorrow. Additional rises may be possible  thereafter.* Imp
[18:10] <BryceBot> Slidell, LA: Clear 49°F (9°C), Humidity: 65%, Wind: Calm, Pressure: 30.35inHg (1028mb) and holding, Dewpoint: 38°F (3°C), Feels like 50°F (10°C), Visibility: 10Mi (16km), UV index: 0, Sunrise 06:18, Sunset: 18:01, Lunar phase: Waning gibbous
[18:10] <BryceBot> Saturday: Partly Cloudy 62°F/45°F (16°C/7°C)  |  Sunday: Partly Cloudy 67°F/54°F (19°C/12°C)  |  Monday: Rain 65°F/61°F (18°C/16°C)  |  Tuesday: Rain 71°F/60°F (22°C/16°C)
[18:10] <BryceBot> The average high for this date is 70°F (21°C), and the record of 83°F (28°C) was set in 1974. The average low is 52°F (11°C), and the record of 30°F (-1°C) was set in 1966
[18:48] <RandalSchwartz> @weather 97005
[18:48] <BryceBot> Beaverton, OR: Clear 60°F (15°C), Humidity: 49%, Wind: Calm -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=45.498989,-122.791229 or re-request this with: @weather -v 97005
[18:48] <mercutio> @weather auckland
[18:48] <BryceBot> Auckland, New Zealand: Mostly Cloudy ☁ 74°F (23°C), Humidity: 75%, Wind: From the WSW at 3.8 MPH Gusting to 17.4 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=-36.973896,174.878021 or re-request this with: @weather -v auckland
[18:49] <RandalSchwartz> @weather oakland
[18:49] <BryceBot> Multiple locations matched your query: Oakland, AR (zmw:72661.1.99999), Oakland, CA (zmw:94601.1.99999), Oakland, FL (zmw:34740.2.99999), Oakland, IL (zmw:61943.1.99999), Oakland, IA (zmw:51560.1.99999), Oakland, KY (zmw:42159.1.99999), Oakland, ME (zmw:04963.1.99999), Oakland, MD (zmw:21550.1.99999), Oakland, MI (zmw:48306.4.99999), Oakland, MN (zmw:56007.3.99999), Oakland, MS (zmw:38948.1.99999), Oakland, MO (zmw:63122.3.99999), Oakland, NE (zm
[18:49] <RandalSchwartz> whoa
[18:49] <RandalSchwartz> @weather oakland, ca
[18:49] <BryceBot> Oakland, CA: Clear 64°F (17°C), Humidity: 51%, Wind: From the West at 2.7 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=37.785202,-122.199837 or re-request this with: @weather -v oakland, ca
[18:49] <RandalSchwartz> there we go
[18:49] <RandalSchwartz> the "other" auckland :)
[18:57] <mercutio> the other?
[18:58] <RandalSchwartz> yes... there's a story of a person getting on a flight at SFO, heading for what he though was "oakland".  Turns out, it was a flight to auckland.
[19:00] <RandalSchwartz> ... http://articles.latimes.com/1985-04-11/local/me-11793_1_auckland
[19:02] <JC_Denton> lol
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[19:02] <JC_Denton> long flight difference
[19:02] <RandalSchwartz> yeah - I think he was wondering why he wasn't down in an hour or so
[19:02] <JC_Denton> and why would you fly from SFO to OAK?
[19:03] <JC_Denton> that has to be like the dumbest flight ever
[19:03] <RandalSchwartz> speaking of oakland, I had to pick up my girlfriend once at OAK and her flight was "alaska 404".  I was wondering if I would see "flight not found"
[19:03] <JC_Denton> i actually discovered OAK recently and quite like it
[19:03] <mercutio> randal: don't they separate international and domestic terminals there?
[19:03] <RandalSchwartz> apparently this was 1985
[19:03] <RandalSchwartz> probably more ways to make mistakes :)
[19:03] <RandalSchwartz> US doesn't have any exit customs
[19:04] <RandalSchwartz> so it could have been all from same terminal
[19:04] <mercutio> jc: don't people regularly fly between los angeles and san francisco?
[19:04] <mercutio> i don't know where oakland is though
[19:05] <mercutio> oh it's one bridge away
[19:05] <RandalSchwartz> Oh... might have been originated in Sac
[19:05] <mercutio> 23 minutes by car apparently
[19:05] <mercutio> where's santa clara hmm
[19:05] <RandalSchwartz> more details - http://articles.latimes.com/1985-04-03/local/me-28522_1_europe-vacation
[19:06] <mercutio> oh santa clara is a bit further away
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[19:06] <RandalSchwartz> Ahhh yeah, from LAX
[19:06] <RandalSchwartz> either to auckland or oakland
[19:06] <mercutio> grody: i have windows 10.  what do you think?
[19:06] <RandalSchwartz> and he was still in internatil
[19:06] <grody> not bah
[19:06] <grody> bad*
[19:06] <grody> it's pretty damned fast on this thing too
[19:06] <mercutio> grody: windows 10 feels faster than windows 2008 did to me
[19:07] <mercutio> but it's got a few annoying bugs.
[19:07] <mercutio> like it keeps wanting me to do an update, but there's no update, and i have to click postpone.
[19:07] <grody> not had that
[19:07] <mercutio> but like if playing a game or something, it'll pop up taking over :/
[19:07] <mercutio> i didn't used to have it, it started at some point
[19:07] <mercutio> also it boots into this thing saying whether you want to roll back every boot
[19:07] <mercutio> this was "upgraded" to build 9926
[19:08] <grody> just finished playing with miracast
[19:08] <mercutio> i dunno if that makes any diff
[19:08] <mercutio> also they keep updating the amd video drivers recently, and the most recent ones seem buggy
[19:08] <grody> swmbo was watching TV, then i just took it over with IE on youtube
[19:08] <mercutio> and i have to unplug/replug my monitor to a different slot sometimes
[19:08] <mercutio> or the secreen is all garbled.
[19:08] <grody> ah i installed the ones off AMD site
[19:09] <mercutio> so yeah a few annoying issues, but nothing corrupting data or anything
[19:09] <grody> didnt find 2D was all that
[19:09] <mercutio> really?
[19:09] <grody> plus a few windows 8 drivers for a few other specifics which has gotten everything working
[19:09] <mercutio> i'm pretty sure they're including the real amd drivers now.
[19:09] <grody> i think so, but was no opencl :>
[19:09] <mercutio> oh
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[19:10] <mercutio> i don't know what programs use opencl
[19:10] <mercutio> i found some opencl test which didn't work on linux
[19:10] <mercutio> but it all seemed rather complicated.
[19:10] <grody> it also allows swapping to video ram in some scenarios
[19:10] <grody> boinc uses it too
[19:11] <mercutio> i don't know that program
[19:12] <mercutio> i was kind of hoping more things would be accelerated by now
[19:13] <mercutio> my amd cpu is so much slower than g3258
[19:13] <grody> aye, i have seen some databases being offloaded
[19:13] <mercutio> oh?
[19:13] <grody> but would have hoped to shunt a virtual machine or most of it's load off on it
[19:13] <mercutio> i think amd's lack of memory bandwidth and high latency kind of hurt
[19:14] <mercutio> like the g3258 has way faster memory speed
[19:14] <mercutio> for the same clock rate
[19:15] <grody> http://highscalability.com/scaling-postgresql-using-cuda
[19:16] <grody> there are some apps in debian & mint that are poc of similar
[19:16] <mercutio> oh curious.
[19:16] <mercutio> i got that library thingy for doing stuff going
[19:16] <mercutio> for amd's hybrid mode or whtaever thing they call it
[19:16] <mercutio> hsa?
[19:16] <mercutio> the demo thing ran
[19:16] <mercutio> but i couldn't find anything useful to run with it
[19:17] <grody> hm
[19:17] <grody> grub will boot linux in secondary partitions, right?
[19:17] <mercutio> i think so, i use uefi
[19:18] <grody> fbsd in primary (with secondaries in container), windows in another primary, debiab in another with LVM then a few small to tinker with in secondaries off the last space for primary
[19:18] <grody> this bios/efi is weird.. it's a bios, but supports secure boot and a uefi console, but noting fancy
[19:19] <grody> freebsd's uefi boot barfs the screen like esxi does
[19:20] <grody> so far only archlinux seems to utilize the uefi boot (as does windows) properly
[19:21] <grody> see how long it is until i break this...
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[19:53] <brycec> (grub can boot linux on any mbr or gpt partition, provided the bios can boot to grub at least -- grub installed to the mbr, or first partition typically)
[19:54] <brycec> I thought Fedora and CentOS had mature/proper UEFI usage.
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[21:00] <mercutio> don't they all use grub2?
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[21:07] <brycec> Arch offers grub2, but since Arch is very much a "build it however you like" distro, I wouldn't say it necessarily uses any one thing.
[21:07] <brycec> (for instance, Arch provides directions on booting a kernel EFI stub directly, or using any other bootloader)
[21:10] <mercutio> yeah, i've been meaning to try efi stubs directly
[21:10] <mercutio> or at least consider something other than grub
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