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| plett | grody: I spin up virtualbox VMs from http://modern.ie/ when I want a copy of windows to do something that I can't do on linux
grody: Also, it's a small world. Elsewhere on IRC I am AA-Paul :) | [02:05] |
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| grody | o/
didn't think of vbox actually got windows7 to install, quite fast even over vnc but it had issues with usb devices being added finally done a fresh install of debian jessie and compiled xen 4.5 from source and it's doing what i want (to a point) | [07:03] |
| anisfarhana | Hi.
Anyonbe miss me? | [07:10] |
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| reardencode | up_the_irons: thanks for adding that RAM, not swappin' any more :) | [08:57] |
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| mercutio | grody: so are you passing through the onboard video?
there's actually some splitting up of intel haswell and above onboard video into multiple devices which should make things a bit simpler | [13:53] |
| http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=XenGT-2014-Q4-Graphics | [14:00] | |
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| grody | dont laugh but im running it on an amd e series apu w/ a radein hd 6900 something
fglrx drivers are hellish but i have stable 2d thinking on keeping it as secondary monitor instead as using sdl i get good draw speeds, enough to do what i need for now | [14:20] |
| mercutio | radeonsi should work
the open source radeon stuff is getting better | [14:36] |
| brycec | I recently switched from fglrx to the opensource driver for my 6870 and quite happy - better 3d performance, doesn't randomly crash, and Steam (which would fail to launch with fglrx) works
Just swapped in a 7870 but haven't tried it out really (It seems to work well, but I haven't run Steam or played any games) | [14:43] |
| mercutio | steam is terrible in linux on general last i knew
it's the opengl shim partially to blame i think well direct3d to opengl with 3/4/5 series it's been fine for ages 7000 series still had some kinks | [14:45] |
| brycec | I wouldn't say it's terrible... It's mostly okay. But I have a number of issues with it because they bundle versions of system libraries that are too old for my system to run (linking, unknown symbols, etc) | [14:47] |
| mercutio | like on my 7850 at idle fan speed was high
it doesn't seem so bad on my r9 290 actually my main linux server has fanless video card, and other than running out of video ram all the time it seems to be pretty functional | [14:47] |
| brycec | The radeon driver did run my 6870 pretty high/loud when idle compared to fglrx, but not so with this 7870 :) | [14:48] |
| mercutio | yeh my r9 290 seems fine too
it's funny when you have a more powerful card and it's quieter | [14:48] |
| brycec | And slightly less power usage too :)
(which is great because somehow my 550W is managing it all) | [14:49] |
| mercutio | i'm on something like that with r9 290 :/
but it's seasonic, so it's all good. | [14:51] |
| brycec | (my wife's 280X is happy with its 650W) | [14:51] |
| mercutio | r9 290s use up quite a lot of power
i think it's 600 watt actually or 650 but they recommend 750 i've only got a 400 watt power supply in my linux box it's the smallest seasonic fanless i could get | [14:51] |
| brycec | Yeah they rec that... and it will probably be the next component I upgrade. Or RAM. | [14:53] |
| mercutio | heh i upgrade my windows box to 32gb of ram.
i have 32gb for my linux box too, but i need to shut it down | [14:53] |
| brycec | 32GB is still not quite worth it to me since I have 16GB now | [14:54] |
| mercutio | but it's video ram i actually seem to run out of most
chrome leaks or something 16gb is fine for most purposes i just figured i may as well while i could still match easily, and it was on special. chrome seems to have some gpu memory leaking stuff on both windows and linux for me. | [14:54] |
| brycec | (I'm using 709MB VRAM on my desktop with lots of Chrome windows+tabs, fwiw)
*linux desktop | [14:55] |
| mercutio | what resolution? | [14:55] |
| brycec | 1920x1080 + 2560x1440 | [14:55] |
| mercutio | i'm using 90mb with just xterms and pidgin
but when i use chrome it goes up heaps | [14:56] |
| brycec | Yeah that's about right, I'd say | [14:56] |
| mercutio | even just web page pushes it up to 200mb | [14:56] |
| brycec | heh | [14:56] |
| mercutio | err just one
with 4k it seemed to keep getting short on ram and getting slow i'm only using 1440p now | [14:56] |
| brycec | meh, 700MB doesn't seem /too/ bad (only 35% of a 2GB card) | [14:57] |
| mercutio | now windows is struggling with 4k, and running out of ram with 4gb :/
yeah that seems fine, i was over that with 1gb card it's like the highest end fanless card i could find though | [14:57] |
| brycec | 1GB seems paltry with those resolutions in this day and age | [14:57] |
| mercutio | windows keeps having spasms with the 4k monitor too, it sounds like it may be a general r9 issue
radeon 7750 | [14:57] |
| brycec | What 4k res exactly? | [14:58] |
| mercutio | well i could put radeon 7850 in it if if linux would run the fan slow
3840x2160 http://www.asus.com/Graphics_Cards/HD7750DCSL1GD5/ it's one of these | [14:58] |
| brycec | Heh wow, that's over 8MP | [14:59] |
| mercutio | oh yeah but my 7580 only has mini displayport | [14:59] |
| brycec | I'm only 5.76MP with both screens
(Opened a new tab, VRAM usage dropped :) lol) | [14:59] |
| mercutio | well i'm hoping things just start pruning ram bettter
scrolling is kind of jerky on all 3 cards too err with chrome firefox was actually a lot better | [14:59] |
| brycec | FF has increased my VRAM usage by 70MB. Wow, that is good.
we'll see if it can keep that up. but watching the usage, it does seem fairly aggressive at pruning its usage. | [15:01] |
| mercutio | i think something must have been leaking | [15:02] |
| brycec | (just my periodic wallpaper change chewed up ~100MB briefly) | [15:02] |
| mercutio | so like it's usually good but some corner case makes it bad
i was checking out the clockrate / memory speed on windows and just moving the mouse cursor around raises clock rate it jumps from like 16 watts power to 60 watts power too | [15:02] |
| brycec | That seems unnecessary | [15:02] |
| mercutio | you'd think | [15:03] |
| brycec | Makes sense about the increase in power | [15:03] |
| mercutio | yeah the increase in power makes sense, but it shouldnt' be necessary | [15:03] |
| brycec | (increase in clock = increased power, likely the card is going into "performance" mode) | [15:03] |
| mercutio | it increases voltage too
yeah it should really have more in betweens 2d shouldn't really need to run memory at 1.3 ghz | [15:03] |
| brycec | (and now to try flash video in FF)
up to 830M (So, another 60M for this small video) | [15:05] |
| mercutio | sounds ilke i could be fine with 2gb of ram even | [15:05] |
| yeah it was 80 to 270mb for me
i wonder why so much less for you, oh that was chrome with html video | [15:15] | |
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| is anyone running freebsd 10.1 on a vm here? | [17:59] | |
| RandalSchwartz | RandalSchwartz sadly notes he is still running 8.4 | [18:03] |
| mercutio | heh.
tbh 8.4 is pretty solid. | [18:04] |
| RandalSchwartz | but deprecated in a few more months
so I have to figure out how to get my 8.4's (6 of them) to 10.x as painlessly as possible. | [18:07] |
| mercutio | yeah i've been wondering about production upgrades from 9 to 10 | [18:09] |
| RandalSchwartz | I should rehearse it in a virtualbox first, I guess | [18:09] |
| mercutio | i'm doing templates for 10.1 for vm's.
but there's an issue where reboot hangs. | [18:09] |
| RandalSchwartz | also wondering if I can go from "compile from source" to a binary upgrade without freaking out | [18:09] |
| mercutio | should be fine. | [18:10] |
| RandalSchwartz | I guess I could turn off services, snapshot, and try it, and if it fails just rollback.
or figure out how to use beadm :) I'm running completely generic kernels so it should just upgrade nicely | [18:12] |
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| brycec | Never had any reboot issues in bhyve :P (I'm only running FBSD in bhyve VMs)
(and on bare metal, obviously) | [18:32] |
| mercutio | https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=195458
it seems to be a common bug :) | [18:37] |
| grody | i run a pfsense in bhyve, only reset a couple of times but that was my fault
have to confess, xen has had me scratching my head a lot | [18:40] |
| up_the_irons | mercutio: the part that concerns me is how it pegs the cpu | [18:58] |
| mercutio | the part that concerns me is it registers as unclean shutdown
but yeah, cpu pegging isn't good either i've had linux reboot issues on some hardware before, but it didn't have unclean shutdown after it had done the sync, it just didn't reboot properly. | [18:59] |
| RandalSchwartz | bhyve isn't available until 10.1, right?
oh, looks like 10.0 hey ... can a bhyve guest boot from zfs? or is it just a jail? | [19:09] |
| brycec | RandalSchwartz: zfs yeah | [19:19] |
| RandalSchwartz | Hmm. looks like an entire vm-ish thing
so if I gave it the right ZFS-volume, it'd "just work" | [19:19] |
| brycec | bhyve? Yeah, it's just like any other hypervisor layer | [19:20] |
| RandalSchwartz | here's the thing... | [19:20] |
| brycec | Well it would need to have an install. or take an iso
(I'm definitely not an expert on it) | [19:20] |
| RandalSchwartz | digitalocean has very cheap freebsd hosts
but it's UFS | [19:21] |
| brycec | https://wiki.freebsd.org/bhyve for more fun | [19:21] |
| RandalSchwartz | I want "root as zfs"
can I use the host they provide to boot the machine I want under it? | [19:21] |
| brycec | RandalSchwartz: who is "they"? | [19:21] |
| RandalSchwartz | context? you missing?
scroll up two lines :) | [19:21] |
| brycec | You mean the host that DO provides | [19:22] |
| RandalSchwartz | yes | [19:22] |
| brycec | No idea, probably not | [19:22] |
| RandalSchwartz | why not? | [19:22] |
| brycec | virt-inside-virt is quirky | [19:22] |
| BryceBot | That's what she said!! | [19:22] |
| RandalSchwartz | no - those are just jails
they sell me a jail... can I run this under a jail? | [19:22] |
| brycec | 19:19:53 ⤷ | (I'm definitely not an expert on it) | [19:23] |
| RandalSchwartz | I see the bhyve command on my DO machine
is there something I can try to see if it works? | [19:23] |
| brycec | start with kldstat -n vmm
but otherwise, Um, bhyveload or something | [19:24] |
| RandalSchwartz | ... kldstat: can't find file vmm: No such file or directory | [19:25] |
| brycec | You lack the necessary module apparently | [19:25] |
| RandalSchwartz | maybe I just need to load it?
it's a pretty standard 10.1 | [19:25] |
| brycec | brycec shrugs
RandalSchwartz: google it, bro | [19:25] |
| RandalSchwartz | kldload vmm worked
Id Refs Address Size Name 2 1 0xffffffff81a11000 18007c vmm.ko so it loads | [19:26] |
| brycec | (Why not run through the demo they provide on the freebsd wiki I linked?) | [19:27] |
| RandalSchwartz | so where can I get a bhyve iso to boot?
oh. reading that now. | [19:27] |
| brycec | bhyve isn't baremetal itself. It's part of freebsd. And it should boot any iso. | [19:28] |
| RandalSchwartz | wait... demo where?
looking at page. | [19:28] |
| brycec | Q: What does bhyve "look" like?
er, Q: What is the easiest way to try bhyve? | [19:28] |
| RandalSchwartz | can you run 11 under 10.1? | [19:29] |
| brycec | I did. | [19:29] |
| RandalSchwartz | that's... not like a jail. :) | [19:30] |
| brycec | Was it billed as a jail? | [19:30] |
| RandalSchwartz | no.. but that's been the only thing prior to this under freebsd I've had experience with. :)
will poudriere be rewritten to use bhyve? that'd be awesome | [19:30] |
| brycec | I don't think there's anything to be "rewritten". You install a whole new virtual machine and use it as desired... Just as you would in VirtualBox, VMware, HyperV, Xen, etc | [19:31] |
| RandalSchwartz | sure
ugh... demo says: vm_create: Device not configured that's the answer to this faq: What will I see if EPT is disabled in BIOS? well... so... no DO is not a valid bhyve hoster | [19:31] |
| brycec | I warned you :P | [19:33] |
| RandalSchwartz | I wonder if I could run xen there | [19:34] |
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