up_the_irons: (and i know we're VERY late to the game on that)
things will be moving a lot faster now mercutio: and openbsd 5.6 is coming soon mike-burns: Sooner than the 5.7 release? mercutio: yeah
probably tomorrow
5.7 should be quick up_the_irons: Debian 7.8 now ready to order mercutio: and openbsd 5.6 brycec: woo, very nice, gentlemen mnathani_: I always thought most folks just install it using the iso
guess not ***: carvite has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
carvite has joined #arpnetworks mercutio: mnathani_: i upgraded mine...
but yeah openbsd install isn't too painful if you want to take that route brycec: I [re]installed all of mine from ISO
It's also hilarious seeing in the portal "OpenBSD 4.7" as the install version mercutio: heh
mine says 4.7 too.
i started with 32bit and am on 64bit now too grody: brave sod
i can never get along with openbsd :/
freebsd im truely at home with
portal remained freebsd 8.2 on mine even now running 10
<cheese>however ♥ the clean, simplicity of the portal pages</cheese> brycec: Yeah, the portal reflects what you ordered. Since it has no "fingers" inside your VM, it has no way of knowing what your VM is running. grody: refreshing to see no overbloat or "material design" - just pure functionality mercutio: freebsd is also getting an update to 10.1
brycec: i wonder if virtio can give feedback
vmware tells you what vm you have installed iirc
if you have their virt stuff brycec: mercutio: There is qemu-agent, but it's immature and it's just a "finger" in the guest still mercutio: ahh
i expect it will get improved over time
but yeah it doesn't really hurt anything, it's mostly just cosmetic brycec: My ESX stuff shows whatever OS I have configured, but the guest can still relay information like IP address. mercutio: oh i thought it did hostname and operating system too
i haven't used esxi in a while though brycec: oh yeah, hostname too
I mean, it might also have OS info, but the console just shows what's configured in the guest xml
3 cheers for OpenBSD having a built-in driver/agent for this too grody: brycec, is there is a way to make the ESXi use non uefi boot on uefi's that allow it? brycec: In the guest? Just don't check "use uefi" I would assume
(works on freebsd and openbsd guests... of course openbsd doesn't support uefi anyways) grody: on the boot .iso
the uefi on this apu is odd as hell.. freebsd uefi does similar, boot non uefi works sound brycec: If you're talking esx host configuration, couldn't say - I've never installed it :p mercutio: on linux you select usb boot drive with the uefi or non uefi
and that'll set the install grody: secure boot works, but anything non-windows doing pure uefi horrifys output on vga brycec: grody: It sounds like you just need to tell your system firmware/bios to boot non-UEFI grody: brycec, sadly the bios is highly limited on configuration - however xen kernels are really happy with it (full iommu support etc)
but im really not liking xen atm mercutio: what dont' you like about xen? grody: debian seems to have regressed and now i cant passthru my gpu
debian 7.8 and xen 4.1.5 brycec: I dare say there are many things to dislike about Xen :P mercutio: try a more recent xen version
there were some changes grody: i did and now i broke it mercutio: heh grody: i upped to 4.5.x mercutio: i did gpu pass through with xen one time
it was kind of a pita
4.2/4.3 should be enough it hink
it was somewhere around there that i was doing stuff grody: with the original patches, i even had opencl in the windows guest mercutio: are you passing through the apu or a video card? grody: but now i upgraded to 7.8, it's all broken mercutio: apparently nvidia had some issues ages ago
the debian version should make no diff
it's just the xen version grody: i even did the necessary grub boot options for pci-callback etc mercutio: tbh, i found the system too fragile/annoying, and disk i/o was slow
and just streaming gigabit ethernet over network used like 10% cpu :/
it was like 5% cpu with light use
so i ended up just switching to duual windows and linux hosts grody: i am now looking at win 2k8 180 day thing and windows hyperv
people are saying even freebsd guests are getting near native speeds mercutio: i want to try gpu passthrough with kvm sometime.
curious. grody: i just want a pfsense, a linux and a win7 mercutio: i got good network speeds with xen and linux grody: mm, i was tinkering with kvm.. but it makes xen look like BASIC mercutio: but xen and windows was terrible
uising virtio drivers in windows grody: i tried virto as well and failed brycec: (I get native FreeBSD speeds in bhyve :P) mercutio: hmm bhyve grody: i have got freebsd dedis w/ bhyeved pfsense mercutio: maybe i need another test machine :) grody: and even a linux on one
they are quite sturdy mercutio: i got an amd apu thingy, and it boots realyl slowly
even with uefi. grody: i have an ancient e series i think
lenovo gig mercutio: i thouught it'd boot faster because video is built into cpuu grody: oddly, it was a very high end thing when it was born mercutio: and disabling csm doesn't seem to fix it grody: cpu does full hardware virtualisation and does mobo mercutio: i mostly only care because i wanted to use it to test some kernel stuff on
you can ipv6 pxe on modern gear grody: im curious about this windows setup now mercutio: yeah i have 3 compuuters that can do vt-d grody: it actually seems REALLY easy to get things going and passthrough seems to JustWork(tm) mercutio: well one is amd so it's called something diff grody: AMD E-300 APU mercutio: with hyperz?
interesting grody: thats what this lappy is mercutio: i was doing it with radeon 7850 and i7-3770[17:26] <grody> only a dual core 1.3GHz, but both CPU and board seems to be happy with hvm grody: this is a 6310 mercutio: one annoyance though was knowing which usb ports went where grody: haha yea
xen is a pita for that mercutio: and whenever doing video driver updates it seemed to bug out iirc grody: but i want something more reliable mercutio: just use two machines
the other issue was i only had 24gb of ram at the time
and i wasn't sure how to split
i was doing zfs on linux.. grody: the idea of dual booting is annoying, but i'd like to boot a simple OS (if even by accident) and simply and quickly boot into the OS i need
windows, linux, bsd, or even have one or more running at the same time mercutio: heh grody: i did have that, but i got greedy wanting my win7 to have gpu dedicated access and i broke it all mercutio: heh
i wanted to have something like that before too
but with nfs shared /home etc
i have shared /home now grody: i've gotten used to sshfs (using keys and automounting)
works across every network
it's not as efficient when multi reading/writing
no where
this should be fun.. making a windows usb boot disk, without having access to a windows
modern method usually be make LBA W95 FAT32, active, copy the contents of DVD to USB.. reboot and prey to some diety
but if i know this as well as i think, that doesn't work with 7,2k8,2k12 mercutio: you can probably use wine
the normal tool doesn't like my usb stick as it's one of the "new" ones. grody: it wont work the bootsect command, that needs 64bit mercutio: so i have to use this other tool.
hmm grody: i really need a 64bit windows
which atm i dont have
im not sure how i managed this tbh
8 computers in this home and not one natively running windows mercutio: heh
congrats grody: im not sure wether to be happy or to cry
right now i think i want to cry
hmm, i wonder if i can network boot
lapy has PXE, can rig a TFTP ***: dj_goku has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) grody: im uessing i need a windows for that too looking at doc ... -: grody walks away muttering inchoerent profanities mercutio: install windows in a vm
from .iso ***: dj_goku has joined #arpnetworks brycec: network booting/installing windows is a royal PITA to setup, especially without Windows. (at least that's been my experience)
Survey time: What's a good job title for someone that is equal parts: sysadmin, developer, and tier 3 support? mercutio: brycec: sysadmin
maybe systems engineer now
apparently systems administrator has gone down in uhh
in title brycec: Yeah that's where I'm leaning, "Director of System Engineering" mercutio: systems engineer is the old systems administrator brycec: I like syseng because it conveys both [software] engineering, and systems [admin] mercutio: and pretty much all systems engineers are expected to have some programming knowledge and some tier 3 support experience
but all systems administrators used to know those things too :)
i mean in years gone by people grew up with programming knowledge that were on the technical side brycec: heh mercutio: now it seems programming fell out of fashion
/and/ the barrier to entry seems to have gone up
mostly because of api mess imo
like say you want to write a program to sort 10 numbers brycec: heh mercutio: people using windows are like should i use java or c++ or what
how do i get a window on the screen
hsould it have a scrollbar?
whereas it used to be you'd just output text :)
then sort is already built in etc.
then sorting text, suddenly you have unicode to worry about :)
but yeah i'd go with systems engineer now probably. brycec: thx mercutio mercutio: i don't like the term, but it seems to be what conveys that brycec: Yeah mercutio: sysadmin now means being able to look at graphs brycec: "nerd" or "geek" are good but don't really fit in the "business card world" mercutio: yeh
i shifted from systems administrator to network administrator and haven't really ever changed
network implies systems, and you can't make it too long/complicated brycec: I don't think it implies systems... it tells me you can write (or plagiarise) Cisco configs mercutio: heh
yeh i dunno
i say sys admin to geeks brycec: as would i
actually I'd say "devops" mercutio: the problem with saying things like sys admin to non-geeks is they think it means you want to do windows stuff
whereas network kind of clears you away from windows. :)
without starting any kind of linux vs windows crap brycec: Does it start Cisco vs Juniper crap instead? :P mercutio: no it doesn't actualy.
most people here are pretty agnostic tbh
are you tier 3 or tier 4 is one question
devops would be tier 4 brycec: Nah, we're smaller than that, just 2 layers of tech support then you hit the developers mercutio: yeah small usually means you end up being tier 2 through 4
if you do radical changes you can generally say tier 4 brycec: heh ***: _Zodiac has joined #arpnetworks
_Zodiac has left mkb: I have to work on a school project with Git... You'd be surprised what kind of crap people can do
apparently the thing to do if you don't understand what you're doing is to type about 20 random git commands
usually these are things that I typed last time he did this so the cycle just repeats itself brycec: I used to do support. "history" was always a treat mkb: haha I'm sure
half the time he doesn't even read what git says and announces he's pushed while looking at an error brycec: lol... mercutio: i'm only just getting used to git myself