Ubuntu 14.04 LTS now available to order thanks to mercutio
(and i know we're VERY late to the game on that)
things will be moving a lot faster now
and openbsd 5.6 is coming soon
Sooner than the 5.7 release?
yeah
probably tomorrow
5.7 should be quick
Debian 7.8 now ready to order
and openbsd 5.6
woo, very nice, gentlemen
I always thought most folks just install it using the iso
guess not
mnathani_: i upgraded mine...
but yeah openbsd install isn't too painful if you want to take that route
I [re]installed all of mine from ISO
It's also hilarious seeing in the portal "OpenBSD 4.7" as the install version
heh
mine says 4.7 too.
i started with 32bit and am on 64bit now too
brave sod
i can never get along with openbsd :/
freebsd im truely at home with
portal remained freebsd 8.2 on mine even now running 10
<cheese>however ♥ the clean, simplicity of the portal pages</cheese>
Yeah, the portal reflects what you ordered. Since it has no "fingers" inside your VM, it has no way of knowing what your VM is running.
refreshing to see no overbloat or "material design" - just pure functionality
freebsd is also getting an update to 10.1
brycec: i wonder if virtio can give feedback
vmware tells you what vm you have installed iirc
if you have their virt stuff
mercutio: There is qemu-agent, but it's immature and it's just a "finger" in the guest still
ahh
i expect it will get improved over time
but yeah it doesn't really hurt anything, it's mostly just cosmetic
My ESX stuff shows whatever OS I have configured, but the guest can still relay information like IP address.
oh i thought it did hostname and operating system too
i haven't used esxi in a while though
oh yeah, hostname too
I mean, it might also have OS info, but the console just shows what's configured in the guest xml
3 cheers for OpenBSD having a built-in driver/agent for this too
brycec, is there is a way to make the ESXi use non uefi boot on uefi's that allow it?
In the guest? Just don't check "use uefi" I would assume
(works on freebsd and openbsd guests... of course openbsd doesn't support uefi anyways)
on the boot .iso
the uefi on this apu is odd as hell.. freebsd uefi does similar, boot non uefi works sound
If you're talking esx host configuration, couldn't say - I've never installed it :p
on linux you select usb boot drive with the uefi or non uefi
and that'll set the install
secure boot works, but anything non-windows doing pure uefi horrifys output on vga
grody: It sounds like you just need to tell your system firmware/bios to boot non-UEFI
brycec, sadly the bios is highly limited on configuration - however xen kernels are really happy with it (full iommu support etc)
but im really not liking xen atm
what dont' you like about xen?
debian seems to have regressed and now i cant passthru my gpu
debian 7.8 and xen 4.1.5
I dare say there are many things to dislike about Xen :P
try a more recent xen version
there were some changes
i did and now i broke it
heh
i upped to 4.5.x
i did gpu pass through with xen one time
it was kind of a pita
4.2/4.3 should be enough it hink
it was somewhere around there that i was doing stuff
with the original patches, i even had opencl in the windows guest
are you passing through the apu or a video card?
but now i upgraded to 7.8, it's all broken
apparently nvidia had some issues ages ago
the debian version should make no diff
it's just the xen version
i even did the necessary grub boot options for pci-callback etc
tbh, i found the system too fragile/annoying, and disk i/o was slow
and just streaming gigabit ethernet over network used like 10% cpu :/
it was like 5% cpu with light use
so i ended up just switching to duual windows and linux hosts
i am now looking at win 2k8 180 day thing and windows hyperv
people are saying even freebsd guests are getting near native speeds
i want to try gpu passthrough with kvm sometime.
curious.
i just want a pfsense, a linux and a win7
i got good network speeds with xen and linux
mm, i was tinkering with kvm.. but it makes xen look like BASIC
but xen and windows was terrible
uising virtio drivers in windows
i tried virto as well and failed
(I get native FreeBSD speeds in bhyve :P)
hmm bhyve
i have got freebsd dedis w/ bhyeved pfsense
maybe i need another test machine :)
and even a linux on one
they are quite sturdy
i got an amd apu thingy, and it boots realyl slowly
even with uefi.
i have an ancient e series i think
lenovo gig
i thouught it'd boot faster because video is built into cpuu
oddly, it was a very high end thing when it was born
and disabling csm doesn't seem to fix it
cpu does full hardware virtualisation and does mobo
i mostly only care because i wanted to use it to test some kernel stuff on
you can ipv6 pxe on modern gear
im curious about this windows setup now
yeah i have 3 compuuters that can do vt-d
it actually seems REALLY easy to get things going and passthrough seems to JustWork(tm)
well one is amd so it's called something diff
AMD E-300 APU
with hyperz?
interesting
thats what this lappy is
i was doing it with radeon 7850 and i7-3770\
only a dual core 1.3GHz, but both CPU and board seems to be happy with hvm
this is a 6310
one annoyance though was knowing which usb ports went where
haha yea
xen is a pita for that
and whenever doing video driver updates it seemed to bug out iirc
but i want something more reliable
just use two machines
the other issue was i only had 24gb of ram at the time
and i wasn't sure how to split
i was doing zfs on linux..
the idea of dual booting is annoying, but i'd like to boot a simple OS (if even by accident) and simply and quickly boot into the OS i need
windows, linux, bsd, or even have one or more running at the same time
heh
i did have that, but i got greedy wanting my win7 to have gpu dedicated access and i broke it all
heh
i wanted to have something like that before too
but with nfs shared /home etc
i have shared /home now
i've gotten used to sshfs (using keys and automounting)
works across every network
it's not as efficient when multi reading/writing
no where
this should be fun.. making a windows usb boot disk, without having access to a windows
modern method usually be make LBA W95 FAT32, active, copy the contents of DVD to USB.. reboot and prey to some diety
but if i know this as well as i think, that doesn't work with 7,2k8,2k12
you can probably use wine
the normal tool doesn't like my usb stick as it's one of the "new" ones.
it wont work the bootsect command, that needs 64bit
so i have to use this other tool.
hmm
i really need a 64bit windows
which atm i dont have
im not sure how i managed this tbh
8 computers in this home and not one natively running windows
heh
congrats
im not sure wether to be happy or to cry
right now i think i want to cry
hmm, i wonder if i can network boot
lapy has PXE, can rig a TFTP
im uessing i need a windows for that too looking at doc ...
install windows in a vm
from .iso
network booting/installing windows is a royal PITA to setup, especially without Windows. (at least that's been my experience)
Survey time: What's a good job title for someone that is equal parts: sysadmin, developer, and tier 3 support?
brycec: sysadmin
maybe systems engineer now
apparently systems administrator has gone down in uhh
in title
Yeah that's where I'm leaning, "Director of System Engineering"
systems engineer is the old systems administrator
I like syseng because it conveys both [software] engineering, and systems [admin]
and pretty much all systems engineers are expected to have some programming knowledge and some tier 3 support experience
but all systems administrators used to know those things too :)
i mean in years gone by people grew up with programming knowledge that were on the technical side
heh
now it seems programming fell out of fashion
/and/ the barrier to entry seems to have gone up
mostly because of api mess imo
like say you want to write a program to sort 10 numbers
heh
people using windows are like should i use java or c++ or what
how do i get a window on the screen
hsould it have a scrollbar?
whereas it used to be you'd just output text :)
then sort is already built in etc.
then sorting text, suddenly you have unicode to worry about :)
but yeah i'd go with systems engineer now probably.
thx mercutio
i don't like the term, but it seems to be what conveys that
Yeah
sysadmin now means being able to look at graphs
"nerd" or "geek" are good but don't really fit in the "business card world"
yeh
i shifted from systems administrator to network administrator and haven't really ever changed
network implies systems, and you can't make it too long/complicated
I don't think it implies systems... it tells me you can write (or plagiarise) Cisco configs
heh
yeh i dunno
i say sys admin to geeks
as would i
actually I'd say "devops"
the problem with saying things like sys admin to non-geeks is they think it means you want to do windows stuff
whereas network kind of clears you away from windows. :)
without starting any kind of linux vs windows crap
Does it start Cisco vs Juniper crap instead? :P
no it doesn't actualy.
most people here are pretty agnostic tbh
are you tier 3 or tier 4 is one question
devops would be tier 4
Nah, we're smaller than that, just 2 layers of tech support then you hit the developers
yeah small usually means you end up being tier 2 through 4
if you do radical changes you can generally say tier 4
heh
I have to work on a school project with Git... You'd be surprised what kind of crap people can do
apparently the thing to do if you don't understand what you're doing is to type about 20 random git commands
usually these are things that I typed last time he did this so the cycle just repeats itself
I used to do support. "history" was always a treat
haha I'm sure
half the time he doesn't even read what git says and announces he's pushed while looking at an error
lol...
i'm only just getting used to git myself