up_the_irons: (and i know we're VERY late to the game on that)
things will be moving a lot faster now
mercutio: and openbsd 5.6 is coming soon
mike-burns: Sooner than the 5.7 release?
mercutio: yeah
probably tomorrow
5.7 should be quick
up_the_irons: Debian 7.8 now ready to order
mercutio: and openbsd 5.6
brycec: woo, very nice, gentlemen
mnathani_: I always thought most folks just install it using the iso
guess not
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mercutio: mnathani_: i upgraded mine...
but yeah openbsd install isn't too painful if you want to take that route
brycec: I [re]installed all of mine from ISO
It's also hilarious seeing in the portal "OpenBSD 4.7" as the install version
mercutio: heh
mine says 4.7 too.
i started with 32bit and am on 64bit now too
grody: brave sod
i can never get along with openbsd :/
freebsd im truely at home with
portal remained freebsd 8.2 on mine even now running 10
<cheese>however ♥ the clean, simplicity of the portal pages</cheese>
brycec: Yeah, the portal reflects what you ordered. Since it has no "fingers" inside your VM, it has no way of knowing what your VM is running.
grody: refreshing to see no overbloat or "material design" - just pure functionality
mercutio: freebsd is also getting an update to 10.1
brycec: i wonder if virtio can give feedback
vmware tells you what vm you have installed iirc
if you have their virt stuff
brycec: mercutio: There is qemu-agent, but it's immature and it's just a "finger" in the guest still
mercutio: ahh
i expect it will get improved over time
but yeah it doesn't really hurt anything, it's mostly just cosmetic
brycec: My ESX stuff shows whatever OS I have configured, but the guest can still relay information like IP address.
mercutio: oh i thought it did hostname and operating system too
i haven't used esxi in a while though
brycec: oh yeah, hostname too
I mean, it might also have OS info, but the console just shows what's configured in the guest xml
3 cheers for OpenBSD having a built-in driver/agent for this too
grody: brycec, is there is a way to make the ESXi use non uefi boot on uefi's that allow it?
brycec: In the guest? Just don't check "use uefi" I would assume
(works on freebsd and openbsd guests... of course openbsd doesn't support uefi anyways)
grody: on the boot .iso
the uefi on this apu is odd as hell.. freebsd uefi does similar, boot non uefi works sound
brycec: If you're talking esx host configuration, couldn't say - I've never installed it :p
mercutio: on linux you select usb boot drive with the uefi or non uefi
and that'll set the install
grody: secure boot works, but anything non-windows doing pure uefi horrifys output on vga
brycec: grody: It sounds like you just need to tell your system firmware/bios to boot non-UEFI
grody: brycec, sadly the bios is highly limited on configuration - however xen kernels are really happy with it (full iommu support etc)
but im really not liking xen atm
mercutio: what dont' you like about xen?
grody: debian seems to have regressed and now i cant passthru my gpu
debian 7.8 and xen 4.1.5
brycec: I dare say there are many things to dislike about Xen :P
mercutio: try a more recent xen version
there were some changes
grody: i did and now i broke it
mercutio: heh
grody: i upped to 4.5.x
mercutio: i did gpu pass through with xen one time
it was kind of a pita
4.2/4.3 should be enough it hink
it was somewhere around there that i was doing stuff
grody: with the original patches, i even had opencl in the windows guest
mercutio: are you passing through the apu or a video card?
grody: but now i upgraded to 7.8, it's all broken
mercutio: apparently nvidia had some issues ages ago
the debian version should make no diff
it's just the xen version
grody: i even did the necessary grub boot options for pci-callback etc
mercutio: tbh, i found the system too fragile/annoying, and disk i/o was slow
and just streaming gigabit ethernet over network used like 10% cpu :/
it was like 5% cpu with light use
so i ended up just switching to duual windows and linux hosts
grody: i am now looking at win 2k8 180 day thing and windows hyperv
people are saying even freebsd guests are getting near native speeds
mercutio: i want to try gpu passthrough with kvm sometime.
curious.
grody: i just want a pfsense, a linux and a win7
mercutio: i got good network speeds with xen and linux
grody: mm, i was tinkering with kvm.. but it makes xen look like BASIC
mercutio: but xen and windows was terrible
uising virtio drivers in windows
grody: i tried virto as well and failed
brycec: (I get native FreeBSD speeds in bhyve :P)
mercutio: hmm bhyve
grody: i have got freebsd dedis w/ bhyeved pfsense
mercutio: maybe i need another test machine :)
grody: and even a linux on one
they are quite sturdy
mercutio: i got an amd apu thingy, and it boots realyl slowly
even with uefi.
grody: i have an ancient e series i think
lenovo gig
mercutio: i thouught it'd boot faster because video is built into cpuu
grody: oddly, it was a very high end thing when it was born
mercutio: and disabling csm doesn't seem to fix it
grody: cpu does full hardware virtualisation and does mobo
mercutio: i mostly only care because i wanted to use it to test some kernel stuff on
you can ipv6 pxe on modern gear
grody: im curious about this windows setup now
mercutio: yeah i have 3 compuuters that can do vt-d
grody: it actually seems REALLY easy to get things going and passthrough seems to JustWork(tm)
mercutio: well one is amd so it's called something diff
grody: AMD E-300 APU
mercutio: with hyperz?
interesting
grody: thats what this lappy is
mercutio: i was doing it with radeon 7850 and i7-3770[17:26] <grody> only a dual core 1.3GHz, but both CPU and board seems to be happy with hvm
grody: this is a 6310
mercutio: one annoyance though was knowing which usb ports went where
grody: haha yea
xen is a pita for that
mercutio: and whenever doing video driver updates it seemed to bug out iirc
grody: but i want something more reliable
mercutio: just use two machines
the other issue was i only had 24gb of ram at the time
and i wasn't sure how to split
i was doing zfs on linux..
grody: the idea of dual booting is annoying, but i'd like to boot a simple OS (if even by accident) and simply and quickly boot into the OS i need
windows, linux, bsd, or even have one or more running at the same time
mercutio: heh
grody: i did have that, but i got greedy wanting my win7 to have gpu dedicated access and i broke it all
mercutio: heh
i wanted to have something like that before too
but with nfs shared /home etc
i have shared /home now
grody: i've gotten used to sshfs (using keys and automounting)
works across every network
it's not as efficient when multi reading/writing
no where
this should be fun.. making a windows usb boot disk, without having access to a windows
modern method usually be make LBA W95 FAT32, active, copy the contents of DVD to USB.. reboot and prey to some diety
but if i know this as well as i think, that doesn't work with 7,2k8,2k12
mercutio: you can probably use wine
the normal tool doesn't like my usb stick as it's one of the "new" ones.
grody: it wont work the bootsect command, that needs 64bit
mercutio: so i have to use this other tool.
hmm
grody: i really need a 64bit windows
which atm i dont have
im not sure how i managed this tbh
8 computers in this home and not one natively running windows
mercutio: heh
congrats
grody: im not sure wether to be happy or to cry
right now i think i want to cry
hmm, i wonder if i can network boot
lapy has PXE, can rig a TFTP
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grody: im uessing i need a windows for that too looking at doc ...
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mercutio: install windows in a vm
from .iso
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brycec: network booting/installing windows is a royal PITA to setup, especially without Windows. (at least that's been my experience)
Survey time: What's a good job title for someone that is equal parts: sysadmin, developer, and tier 3 support?
mercutio: brycec: sysadmin
maybe systems engineer now
apparently systems administrator has gone down in uhh
in title
brycec: Yeah that's where I'm leaning, "Director of System Engineering"
mercutio: systems engineer is the old systems administrator
brycec: I like syseng because it conveys both [software] engineering, and systems [admin]
mercutio: and pretty much all systems engineers are expected to have some programming knowledge and some tier 3 support experience
but all systems administrators used to know those things too :)
i mean in years gone by people grew up with programming knowledge that were on the technical side
brycec: heh
mercutio: now it seems programming fell out of fashion
/and/ the barrier to entry seems to have gone up
mostly because of api mess imo
like say you want to write a program to sort 10 numbers
brycec: heh
mercutio: people using windows are like should i use java or c++ or what
how do i get a window on the screen
hsould it have a scrollbar?
whereas it used to be you'd just output text :)
then sort is already built in etc.
then sorting text, suddenly you have unicode to worry about :)
but yeah i'd go with systems engineer now probably.
brycec: thx mercutio
mercutio: i don't like the term, but it seems to be what conveys that
brycec: Yeah
mercutio: sysadmin now means being able to look at graphs
brycec: "nerd" or "geek" are good but don't really fit in the "business card world"
mercutio: yeh
i shifted from systems administrator to network administrator and haven't really ever changed
network implies systems, and you can't make it too long/complicated
brycec: I don't think it implies systems... it tells me you can write (or plagiarise) Cisco configs
mercutio: heh
yeh i dunno
i say sys admin to geeks
brycec: as would i
actually I'd say "devops"
mercutio: the problem with saying things like sys admin to non-geeks is they think it means you want to do windows stuff
whereas network kind of clears you away from windows. :)
without starting any kind of linux vs windows crap
brycec: Does it start Cisco vs Juniper crap instead? :P
mercutio: no it doesn't actualy.
most people here are pretty agnostic tbh
are you tier 3 or tier 4 is one question
devops would be tier 4
brycec: Nah, we're smaller than that, just 2 layers of tech support then you hit the developers
mercutio: yeah small usually means you end up being tier 2 through 4
if you do radical changes you can generally say tier 4
brycec: heh
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mkb: I have to work on a school project with Git... You'd be surprised what kind of crap people can do
apparently the thing to do if you don't understand what you're doing is to type about 20 random git commands
usually these are things that I typed last time he did this so the cycle just repeats itself
brycec: I used to do support. "history" was always a treat
mkb: haha I'm sure
half the time he doesn't even read what git says and announces he's pushed while looking at an error
brycec: lol...
mercutio: i'm only just getting used to git myself