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| up_the_irons | Ubuntu 14.04 LTS now available to order thanks to mercutio
(and i know we're VERY late to the game on that) things will be moving a lot faster now | [01:45] |
| mercutio | and openbsd 5.6 is coming soon | [01:48] |
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| mike-burns | Sooner than the 5.7 release? | [02:32] |
| mercutio | yeah
probably tomorrow 5.7 should be quick | [02:46] |
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| up_the_irons | Debian 7.8 now ready to order | [03:12] |
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| mercutio | and openbsd 5.6 | [05:23] |
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| brycec | woo, very nice, gentlemen | [09:23] |
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| mnathani_ | I always thought most folks just install it using the iso
guess not | [09:52] |
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| mercutio | mnathani_: i upgraded mine...
but yeah openbsd install isn't too painful if you want to take that route | [11:44] |
| brycec | I [re]installed all of mine from ISO
It's also hilarious seeing in the portal "OpenBSD 4.7" as the install version | [11:48] |
| mercutio | heh
mine says 4.7 too. i started with 32bit and am on 64bit now too | [11:52] |
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| grody | brave sod
i can never get along with openbsd :/ freebsd im truely at home with portal remained freebsd 8.2 on mine even now running 10 <cheese>however ♥ the clean, simplicity of the portal pages</cheese> | [16:26] |
| brycec | Yeah, the portal reflects what you ordered. Since it has no "fingers" inside your VM, it has no way of knowing what your VM is running. | [16:29] |
| grody | refreshing to see no overbloat or "material design" - just pure functionality | [16:29] |
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| mercutio | freebsd is also getting an update to 10.1
brycec: i wonder if virtio can give feedback vmware tells you what vm you have installed iirc if you have their virt stuff | [16:46] |
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| brycec | mercutio: There is qemu-agent, but it's immature and it's just a "finger" in the guest still | [17:12] |
| mercutio | ahh
i expect it will get improved over time but yeah it doesn't really hurt anything, it's mostly just cosmetic | [17:12] |
| brycec | My ESX stuff shows whatever OS I have configured, but the guest can still relay information like IP address. | [17:13] |
| mercutio | oh i thought it did hostname and operating system too
i haven't used esxi in a while though | [17:13] |
| brycec | oh yeah, hostname too
I mean, it might also have OS info, but the console just shows what's configured in the guest xml 3 cheers for OpenBSD having a built-in driver/agent for this too | [17:14] |
| grody | brycec, is there is a way to make the ESXi use non uefi boot on uefi's that allow it? | [17:17] |
| brycec | In the guest? Just don't check "use uefi" I would assume
(works on freebsd and openbsd guests... of course openbsd doesn't support uefi anyways) | [17:17] |
| grody | on the boot .iso
the uefi on this apu is odd as hell.. freebsd uefi does similar, boot non uefi works sound | [17:17] |
| brycec | If you're talking esx host configuration, couldn't say - I've never installed it :p | [17:18] |
| mercutio | on linux you select usb boot drive with the uefi or non uefi
and that'll set the install | [17:18] |
| grody | secure boot works, but anything non-windows doing pure uefi horrifys output on vga | [17:18] |
| brycec | grody: It sounds like you just need to tell your system firmware/bios to boot non-UEFI | [17:19] |
| grody | brycec, sadly the bios is highly limited on configuration - however xen kernels are really happy with it (full iommu support etc)
but im really not liking xen atm | [17:19] |
| mercutio | what dont' you like about xen? | [17:20] |
| grody | debian seems to have regressed and now i cant passthru my gpu
debian 7.8 and xen 4.1.5 | [17:20] |
| brycec | I dare say there are many things to dislike about Xen :P | [17:20] |
| mercutio | try a more recent xen version
there were some changes | [17:20] |
| grody | i did and now i broke it | [17:20] |
| mercutio | heh | [17:20] |
| grody | i upped to 4.5.x | [17:20] |
| mercutio | i did gpu pass through with xen one time
it was kind of a pita 4.2/4.3 should be enough it hink it was somewhere around there that i was doing stuff | [17:20] |
| grody | with the original patches, i even had opencl in the windows guest | [17:21] |
| mercutio | are you passing through the apu or a video card? | [17:21] |
| grody | but now i upgraded to 7.8, it's all broken | [17:21] |
| mercutio | apparently nvidia had some issues ages ago
the debian version should make no diff it's just the xen version | [17:21] |
| grody | i even did the necessary grub boot options for pci-callback etc | [17:21] |
| mercutio | tbh, i found the system too fragile/annoying, and disk i/o was slow
and just streaming gigabit ethernet over network used like 10% cpu :/ it was like 5% cpu with light use so i ended up just switching to duual windows and linux hosts | [17:21] |
| grody | i am now looking at win 2k8 180 day thing and windows hyperv
people are saying even freebsd guests are getting near native speeds | [17:22] |
| mercutio | i want to try gpu passthrough with kvm sometime.
curious. | [17:23] |
| grody | i just want a pfsense, a linux and a win7 | [17:23] |
| mercutio | i got good network speeds with xen and linux | [17:23] |
| grody | mm, i was tinkering with kvm.. but it makes xen look like BASIC | [17:23] |
| mercutio | but xen and windows was terrible
uising virtio drivers in windows | [17:23] |
| grody | i tried virto as well and failed | [17:23] |
| brycec | (I get native FreeBSD speeds in bhyve :P) | [17:23] |
| mercutio | hmm bhyve | [17:24] |
| grody | i have got freebsd dedis w/ bhyeved pfsense | [17:24] |
| mercutio | maybe i need another test machine :) | [17:24] |
| grody | and even a linux on one
they are quite sturdy | [17:24] |
| mercutio | i got an amd apu thingy, and it boots realyl slowly
even with uefi. | [17:24] |
| grody | i have an ancient e series i think
lenovo gig | [17:24] |
| mercutio | i thouught it'd boot faster because video is built into cpuu | [17:25] |
| grody | oddly, it was a very high end thing when it was born | [17:25] |
| mercutio | and disabling csm doesn't seem to fix it | [17:25] |
| grody | cpu does full hardware virtualisation and does mobo | [17:25] |
| mercutio | i mostly only care because i wanted to use it to test some kernel stuff on
you can ipv6 pxe on modern gear | [17:25] |
| grody | im curious about this windows setup now | [17:25] |
| mercutio | yeah i have 3 compuuters that can do vt-d | [17:26] |
| grody | it actually seems REALLY easy to get things going and passthrough seems to JustWork(tm) | [17:26] |
| mercutio | well one is amd so it's called something diff | [17:26] |
| grody | AMD E-300 APU | [17:26] |
| mercutio | with hyperz?
interesting | [17:26] |
| grody | thats what this lappy is | [17:26] |
| mercutio | i was doing it with radeon 7850 and i7-3770[17:26] <grody> only a dual core 1.3GHz, but both CPU and board seems to be happy with hvm | [17:26] |
| grody | this is a 6310 | [17:27] |
| mercutio | one annoyance though was knowing which usb ports went where | [17:27] |
| grody | haha yea
xen is a pita for that | [17:27] |
| mercutio | and whenever doing video driver updates it seemed to bug out iirc | [17:27] |
| grody | but i want something more reliable | [17:27] |
| mercutio | just use two machines
the other issue was i only had 24gb of ram at the time and i wasn't sure how to split i was doing zfs on linux.. | [17:27] |
| grody | the idea of dual booting is annoying, but i'd like to boot a simple OS (if even by accident) and simply and quickly boot into the OS i need
windows, linux, bsd, or even have one or more running at the same time | [17:28] |
| mercutio | heh | [17:28] |
| grody | i did have that, but i got greedy wanting my win7 to have gpu dedicated access and i broke it all | [17:28] |
| mercutio | heh
i wanted to have something like that before too but with nfs shared /home etc i have shared /home now | [17:28] |
| grody | i've gotten used to sshfs (using keys and automounting)
works across every network it's not as efficient when multi reading/writing no where this should be fun.. making a windows usb boot disk, without having access to a windows modern method usually be make LBA W95 FAT32, active, copy the contents of DVD to USB.. reboot and prey to some diety but if i know this as well as i think, that doesn't work with 7,2k8,2k12 | [17:29] |
| mercutio | you can probably use wine
the normal tool doesn't like my usb stick as it's one of the "new" ones. | [17:33] |
| grody | it wont work the bootsect command, that needs 64bit | [17:33] |
| mercutio | so i have to use this other tool.
hmm | [17:33] |
| grody | i really need a 64bit windows
which atm i dont have im not sure how i managed this tbh 8 computers in this home and not one natively running windows | [17:34] |
| mercutio | heh
congrats | [17:34] |
| grody | im not sure wether to be happy or to cry
right now i think i want to cry hmm, i wonder if i can network boot lapy has PXE, can rig a TFTP | [17:35] |
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| grody | im uessing i need a windows for that too looking at doc ...
grody walks away muttering inchoerent profanities | [17:39] |
| mercutio | install windows in a vm
from .iso | [17:40] |
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| brycec | network booting/installing windows is a royal PITA to setup, especially without Windows. (at least that's been my experience)
Survey time: What's a good job title for someone that is equal parts: sysadmin, developer, and tier 3 support? | [17:53] |
| mercutio | brycec: sysadmin
maybe systems engineer now apparently systems administrator has gone down in uhh in title | [18:09] |
| brycec | Yeah that's where I'm leaning, "Director of System Engineering" | [18:10] |
| mercutio | systems engineer is the old systems administrator | [18:10] |
| brycec | I like syseng because it conveys both [software] engineering, and systems [admin] | [18:11] |
| mercutio | and pretty much all systems engineers are expected to have some programming knowledge and some tier 3 support experience
but all systems administrators used to know those things too :) i mean in years gone by people grew up with programming knowledge that were on the technical side | [18:11] |
| brycec | heh | [18:12] |
| mercutio | now it seems programming fell out of fashion
/and/ the barrier to entry seems to have gone up mostly because of api mess imo like say you want to write a program to sort 10 numbers | [18:12] |
| brycec | heh | [18:13] |
| mercutio | people using windows are like should i use java or c++ or what
how do i get a window on the screen hsould it have a scrollbar? whereas it used to be you'd just output text :) then sort is already built in etc. then sorting text, suddenly you have unicode to worry about :) but yeah i'd go with systems engineer now probably. | [18:13] |
| brycec | thx mercutio | [18:14] |
| mercutio | i don't like the term, but it seems to be what conveys that | [18:14] |
| brycec | Yeah | [18:14] |
| mercutio | sysadmin now means being able to look at graphs | [18:15] |
| brycec | "nerd" or "geek" are good but don't really fit in the "business card world" | [18:15] |
| mercutio | yeh
i shifted from systems administrator to network administrator and haven't really ever changed network implies systems, and you can't make it too long/complicated | [18:15] |
| brycec | I don't think it implies systems... it tells me you can write (or plagiarise) Cisco configs | [18:16] |
| mercutio | heh
yeh i dunno i say sys admin to geeks | [18:17] |
| brycec | as would i
actually I'd say "devops" | [18:18] |
| mercutio | the problem with saying things like sys admin to non-geeks is they think it means you want to do windows stuff
whereas network kind of clears you away from windows. :) without starting any kind of linux vs windows crap | [18:18] |
| brycec | Does it start Cisco vs Juniper crap instead? :P | [18:19] |
| mercutio | no it doesn't actualy.
most people here are pretty agnostic tbh are you tier 3 or tier 4 is one question devops would be tier 4 | [18:21] |
| brycec | Nah, we're smaller than that, just 2 layers of tech support then you hit the developers | [18:23] |
| mercutio | yeah small usually means you end up being tier 2 through 4
if you do radical changes you can generally say tier 4 | [18:23] |
| brycec | heh | [18:24] |
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| mkb | I have to work on a school project with Git... You'd be surprised what kind of crap people can do
apparently the thing to do if you don't understand what you're doing is to type about 20 random git commands usually these are things that I typed last time he did this so the cycle just repeats itself | [22:10] |
| brycec | I used to do support. "history" was always a treat | [22:11] |
| mkb | haha I'm sure
half the time he doesn't even read what git says and announces he's pushed while looking at an error | [22:12] |
| brycec | lol... | [22:27] |
| mercutio | i'm only just getting used to git myself | [22:32] |
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