[02:09] *** mnathani_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
[05:11] *** jcv has joined #arpnetworks
[08:50] <m0unds> yay. finally feels like winter again.
[08:53] <m0unds> @weather kaeg
[08:53] <BryceBot> Double Eagle Ii, NM: Overcast ☁ 30°F (0°C), Humidity: 61%, Wind: From the West at 12 MPH Gusting to 14 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=, or re-request this with: @weather -v kaeg
[09:48] <brycec> @weather
[09:48] <BryceBot> brycec: Fetching weather for your previous query (pws:IAUCKLAN208)
[09:48] <BryceBot> Hobsonville Aero, New Zealand: Overcast ☁ 67°F (19°C), Humidity: 72%, Wind: From the SE at 11.4 MPH Gusting to 15.2 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=-36.725250,174.733063 or re-request this with: @weather -v
[09:48] <brycec> d'oh
[09:48] <brycec> @weather 99019
[09:48] <BryceBot> Liberty Lake, WA: Clear 33°F (0°C), Humidity: 65%, Wind: From the East at 4.0 MPH Gusting to 4.0 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=47.666508,-117.100792 or re-request this with: @weather -v 99019
[10:13] <mhoran> What's with the decimal wind speed ...
[10:13] <mhoran> That is not useful.
[10:14] <mhoran> Ah perhaps translated from knots.
[10:14] <mhoran> Division of some sorts.
[10:15] <brycec> It seems odd that knots would be used for wind speed
[10:15] <brycec> Doesn't make much sense for anything but water speed
[10:15] <mhoran> As a pilot, I disagree!
[10:16] <m0unds> ^^^^^^
[10:16] <mhoran> Everything is measured in knots, w.r.t. airspeed, and wind.
[10:16] <m0unds> yep
[10:16] <mhoran> (Older airplanes do measure in MPH sometimes, but modern are all knots.)
[10:16] <brycec> But I can't very well toss a rope out the plane windows and measure
[10:16] <mhoran> Distance traveled is is also knots.
[10:16] <brycec> mhoran: Not NM?
[10:17] <brycec> (Nautical Miles, not New Mexico)
[10:17] <mhoran> Well, nautical miles (distance).
[10:17] <m0unds> (i know)
[10:17] <brycec> (i know (i know))
[10:17] <mhoran> "A nautical mile (symbol M, NM or nmi) is a unit of distance that is approximately one minute of arc measured along any meridian."
[10:18] <mhoran> So yes, we don't measure with a rope, but it is useful for measurement vs. miles.
[10:18] <mhoran> Of course my airplane was designed by an Austrian company so there's an awesome mix of knots, nautical miles, meters, statute miles, pounds, and kilograms.
[10:19] <mhoran> Oh, and fahrenheit and celsius.
[10:19] <m0unds> diamond?
[10:19] <mhoran> Indeed.
[10:19] <m0unds> cool
[11:04] *** mnathani_ has joined #arpnetworks
[11:05] <mnathani> @weather -v yyz
[11:05] <BryceBot> Special Weather Statement in effect from February 23, 2015 until : extreme cold warningfor southern Ontarioupdated by Environment Canadaat 10:50 a.M. EST Monday 23 February 2015.---------------------------------------------------------------------Extreme cold warning for: City of Toronto Windsor - Essex - Chatham-Kent Sarnia - Lambton Elgin London - Middlesex Simcoe - Delhi - Norfolk Dunnville - Caledonia - Haldimand Oxford - Brant Niagara City o
[11:05] <BryceBot> Toronto-Pearson International, Ontario: Low Drifting Snow ❄ 3°F (-16°C), Humidity: 47%, Wind: From the WNW at 21 MPH, Pressure: 30.56inHg (1035mb) and falling, Dewpoint: -13°F (-25°C), Feels like -18°F (-28°C), Visibility: 15Mi (24km), UV index: 4, Sunrise 07:05, Sunset: 17:59, Lunar phase: Waxing crescent
[11:05] <BryceBot> Monday: Partly Cloudy 5°F/-5°F (-15°C/-21°C)  |  Tuesday: Snow Showers 18°F/9°F (-8°C/-13°C)  |  Wednesday: Partly Cloudy 11°F/-8°F (-12°C/-22°C)  |  Thursday: Partly Cloudy 10°F/-6°F (-12°C/-21°C)
[11:05] <BryceBot> The average high for this date is 32°F (0°C), and the record of 42°F (5°C) was set in 1998. The average low is 18°F (-7°C), and the record of 6°F (-14°C) was set in 1999
[11:37] <m0unds> sounds awesome
[12:13] <mercutio> -25c?!
[12:13] <mercutio> @weather akl
[12:13] <BryceBot> Auckland International, New Zealand: Partly Cloudy ☁ 66°F (19°C), Humidity: 83%, Wind: From the SE at 7 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=-37.00805664,174.79167175 or re-request this with: @weather -v akl
[12:35] *** mumbledog has joined #arpnetworks
[12:49] *** mumbledog has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
[13:24] *** _Zodiac has joined #arpnetworks
[13:24] *** _Zodiac has left 
[14:33] *** ameise has joined #arpnetworks
[14:34] *** ant has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)
[14:34] *** ameise is now known as ant
[15:20] <mnathani_> whats the most userfriendly BSD that provides a decent graphical interface for Desktop use?
[15:21] <mike-burns> Are you asking us for our favorite BSD?
[15:23] <mnathani_> sure, if you use it on a desktop
[15:23] <mike-burns> I use OpenBSD on my laptop.
[15:23] <mnathani_> do you find the array of software available comparable to that on linux?
[15:23] <mike-burns> No idea, but it compares decently to FreeBSD.
[15:23] <brycec> I've heard PC-BSD is aiming to be that uber-friendly desktop BSD
[15:24] <brycec> (But I've never used it)
[15:24] <brycec> Unless you care about 802.11n speed, or bluetooth, or... :P (re: OpenBSD compared to FreeBSD)
[15:24] <mike-burns> Heh, indeed.
[15:27] <brycec> (Not knocking, per-se, but somebody expecting "everything Linux does," especially desktop-oriented, would be disappointed. So it needed to be mentioned.)
[15:27] <mike-burns> It's definitely fair to point out.
[15:27] <mercutio> i'd just use openbsd
[15:27] <mercutio> decent graphical interface to me = ion
[15:27] <mercutio> but i'm pretty sure you can run gnome on it
[15:27] <mike-burns> GNOME3 works.
[15:29] <mike-burns> But yeah, if you want full multimedia and all working hardware and so on, Linux wins.
[15:31] <brycec> And FreeBSD (and PC-BSD, I'm told) follows up.
[15:33] <mike-burns> Either way, LibertyBSD probably has the worst support.
[15:56] <m0unds> PC-BSD was alright - i tested it on a notebook
[15:56] <m0unds> used it for a week or two. didn't encounter anything that i wouldn't have also encountered w/linux
[16:30] <acf_> I used PC-BSD for a couple of years actually
[16:30] <acf_> on my laptop
[16:38] <mercutio> i've never had huge desktop issues with openbsd
[16:38] <mercutio> when i first used it on desktop it worked a lot easier than linux
[16:38] <mercutio> like just plug a mouse in and it works.  although linux has fixed that now i think :)
[16:38] <mercutio> the usb mouse support on openbsd was good before linux was good :)
[16:39] <mercutio> also openbsd has a proper audio mixer now.
[16:39] <mercutio> i haven't used it in years, but i imagine web browser issues may happen.
[16:39] <mercutio> but if that's fine, everything else shoudl be fine.
[16:40] <mercutio> you may have to use chromium/firefox as chrome may not be supported.
[16:40] <mercutio> so you'll probably be missing flash support, which may be seen as an advantage.
[18:07] *** NiTeMaRe has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
[18:23] <up_the_irons> Call for testimonials: I'll put your image on our homepage (it'll be in a carousel with other testimonials) of the new website and also  link to your twitter / blog / or any other URL.  I need an image to go along with it: 81x81 or thereabouts
[18:24] <brycec> I'll pass it along to my manager
[18:26] <up_the_irons> sweet tnx
[18:32] *** mkb has joined #arpnetworks
[18:56] <acf_> brycec: funny thing with this
[18:56] <acf_> new Thinkpad
[18:56] <acf_> I can hear 60Hz hum in my headphones when it's plugged in
[18:56] <acf_> but only if I use the new style power supply that came with it
[19:12] <mhoran> Fascinating!
[19:12] <mhoran> I get that as well but when I use my noise canceling headphones it's masked by the white noise.
[19:21] <up_the_irons> i think that's a bad ground somewhere
[19:33] <mercutio> acf: so it's fine if on battery?
[19:45] <m0unds> sounds like a crappy psu
[19:45] <m0unds> those little switching dc psus suck
[19:46] <m0unds> the one for my old laptop caused a ticking via headphone output or usb dac output. i got a replacement from hp and it did the same thing, so i got an aftermarket one and it stopped
[20:01] <mercutio> they're normally interchangeable afaik
[20:01] <mercutio> other than the 65/90watt diff
[20:02] <mercutio> i dunno why they use 19v
[20:03] <m0unds> barrel config isn't always the same
[20:03] <mercutio> ahh
[20:03] <mercutio> you mean polarity or size?
[20:03] <m0unds> size and pinout can vary
[20:03] <m0unds> both
[20:04] <mercutio> ok, there's not that many kinds though
[20:04] * m0unds shrugs
[20:04] <mercutio> so i assume hp will work with hp, lenovo with lenovo etc
[20:04] <mercutio> across models.
[20:04] <mercutio> "for the most part"
[20:04] <m0unds> i had two different hp laptops with two different sized plugs
[20:04] <m0unds> yea
[20:04] <mercutio> actually my chromebook has a slightly smaller power plug i think
[20:04] <m0unds> both were elitebooks, one had a huge plug, the other had a tiny one
[20:05] <mercutio> i have multiple things using the older big ones and just chromebook using the smaller.
[20:05] <mercutio> i have a monitor that takes laptop psu :/
[20:06] <acf_> yea, it works fine on battery
[20:06] <acf_> and also on the old style power supply
[20:06] <mercutio> but yeah doing a bit of research and finding a different psu may help
[20:06] <mercutio> or just plugging it in somewhere elser
[20:06] <mercutio> i've had hum issues with amps at times, it's bloody annoying
[20:10] <mercutio> oh just use the old psu i suppsoe :)
[20:10] <mercutio> does the US have earth plugs?
[20:10] <mercutio> all the devices i see seem to be 2 pin rather than 3 pin
[20:11] <mercutio> but maybe it's just what i've come across
[20:11] <acf_> yes, but Thinkpad power supplies don't
[20:11] <mnathani_> In Canada we do
[20:11] <acf_> all of the other laptop ones I've seen do though
[20:11] <mercutio> my chromebook psu doesn't.
[20:11] <mnathani_> is the power polarized atleast? ie: can you plug it in either direction?
[20:11] <mercutio> and it's a US style plug
[20:12] <mercutio> mnathani_: either direction is fine
[20:12] <acf_> same
[20:12] <mercutio> it's cool how nearly everything has power supplies that can operate on different voltages now
[20:12] <mnathani_> some devices here are one way only, still without earth / ground plug
[20:13] <mercutio> all devices here are one way only
[20:13] <mercutio> it's kind of handy to flip cellphone chargers aronud the other way so it doesn't block plugs
[20:36] <mnathani_> anyone remember how to setup openvpn to provide ipv6 connectivity via an ipv4 tunnel?
[21:13] <RandalSchwartz> I think you have to use the tap device instead of tun
[21:13] <RandalSchwartz> tap bridges the lower layer as mac addresses, not IP addresses.
[21:15] <RandalSchwartz> and then there's this: https://community.openvpn.net/openvpn/wiki/IPv6
[21:16] <RandalSchwartz> I wonder why they don't use fe80 addresses there
[21:21] <acf_> you can do either a routed or bridged VPN
[21:21] <acf_> if your /48 is routed to you
[21:22] <acf_> ie,
[21:22] <acf_> eth0: 2607:f2f8:a0e0:1::1/64
[21:22] <acf_> tun0: 2607:f2f8:a0e0:2::1/64
[21:22] <acf_> route add -6 2607:f2f8:a0e0:3::/64 2607:f2f8:a0e0:2::2
[21:22] <acf_> assuming the other end of your tunnel is 2607:f2f8:a0e0:2::2
[21:23] <acf_> you can use fe80 addresses for some of those
[21:24] <RandalSchwartz> yeah, you still have to use a piece of your /48 (ideally a /64) on your link
[21:24] <RandalSchwartz> err... your machine at the other end
[21:25] <RandalSchwartz> so it could be {internet} -> [your front facing /64] -> [fe80] -> [your second /64]
[21:25] <RandalSchwartz> or {internet} -> [front /64] -> [tunnel /64] -> [back 64]
[21:26] <RandalSchwartz> or {internet} -> [front /64] -> [tunnel /64] with no hosts behind
[21:26] <acf_> also remember to enable routing in Linux
[21:26] <acf_> for IPv6
[21:26] <RandalSchwartz> if you use fe80 for the tunnel, not wasting a /64 even if you want to use a 64 in the back
[21:46] <brycec> mnathani_: server-ipv6 {ipv6/netmask}   is the directive for OpenVPN to hand out ipv6 addresses using routed/tun. After that, it's just a matter of configuring your system routing/forwarding.
[21:50] <mnathani_> . /56 I think is routed
[21:52] <mnathani_> rather /52
[21:55] <brycec>  /56 would be the standard boundary
[21:56] <mnathani_> I used to have 3 VPS
[21:56] <brycec> But /64 is the standard "smallest subnet"
[21:56] <mnathani_> so the /48 is actually /52 on each of the 3 vps
[21:56] <brycec> Ah
[21:56] <mnathani_> so v6 didnt depend all on one VPS
[21:57] <mnathani_> atleast not one one of my vps, I later learned that all of ARP's v6 is on a VPS
[21:58] <mercutio> you mean it's all bridged?
[22:01] <mnathani_> routed
[22:01] <mnathani_> ARP routes each /52 to a different fe80:: /vps
[22:15] <brycec> That's nice of Garry. Certainly non-standard
[22:36] <mnathani_> non-standard indeed.
[22:36] <mnathani_> up_the_irons: I appreciate it
[23:15] <up_the_irons> :)