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| mus1cbox | even now, after waiting a couple of hours, my connection is immediately refused on port 22, first time
this is the first time this has ever happened to me with this box it's really strange oh shit i know why nvm the domain i use to point to IPs needs to be renewed :) | [03:41] |
| mercutio | hmm
oh search path picked it up>? search path can make domains resolve when they shouldn't. | [03:54] |
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| mkb | and now that ICANN has make everything a valid TLD, make domains resolve to the wrong thing easily | [07:23] |
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| mnathani_ | How does Q in Q trunking work? | [13:21] |
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| brycec | The additional (internal) vlan tag/header is inserted ahead of the ethertype header, such that the outermost vlan tag is parsed/stripped/whatever by L2 and the remaining payload is left for the OS to interpret/handle. Incidentally, with the outermost vlan tag stripped, the whole packet remains a valid, vlan-tagged frame that can be put right back on another "wire"
A lovely diagram https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:TCPIP_802.1ad_DoubleTag.svg#mediaviewer/File:TCPIP_802.1ad_DoubleTag.svg (And more info, obviously https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.1ad) | [13:39] |
| BryceBot | IEEE 802.1ad :: IEEE 802.1ad is an Ethernet networking standard informally known as QinQ and is an amendment to IEEE standard IEEE 802.1Q-1998. The technique is also known as provider bridging, Stacked VLANs, or simply QinQ or Q-in-Q. "Q-in-Q" can for supported devices apply to C-tag stacking on C-tag (Ethernet Type = 0x8100) but this has limited application in the modern methodology of network routing. The original 802.1Q specification... | [13:40] |
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| mercutio | q-in-q can be handy if you want to do something like have a wohle lot of dsl connections with their own vlan, and carry all of that traffic somewhere else.
or if you want to carry someone elses vlans | [13:55] |
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| brycec | ^ which is the example on the wikipedia page as it so happens | [14:24] |
| mercutio | the first or second?
ahh virtual rks. networks. this sort of stuff is getting more and more common | [14:29] |
| brycec | (The second example, a metro Ethernet provider encapsulating each customer in a VLAN, and those customers with their own vlans qinq'd) | [14:39] |
| mercutio | https://vimeo.com/119343870 | [14:51] |
| BryceBot | Vimeo video: "10328x7760 - A 10K Timelapse Demo" by SCIENTIFANTASTIC | [14:51] |
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| up_the_irons | RandalSchwartz: lol that's a great line by Steve Gibson | [15:33] |
| RandalSchwartz | which is? | [15:33] |
| BryceBot | That's what she said!! | [15:33] |
| up_the_irons | RandalSchwartz: "background radiation of the internet" | [15:33] |
| RandalSchwartz | Oh, yeah.
it's actually sorta technically accurate too although the cause is completely different. | [15:34] |
| up_the_irons | yeah | [15:34] |
| mercutio | i actually thought it was going to get worse over time tbh
but it doesn't seem to have got any worse, it seems about the same or even slightly less. although i do seem to recall reading somewhere that it can vary by ip address. so some subnets are worse off like some of the scanners will only scan the /8 they're in, and some people are using outdated subnets to scan etc. | [15:35] |
| brycec | I only hack the subnet of the first interface on my machine.
(lo 127/8) Insanely fast too, and huge MTU. | [15:45] |
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| mercutio | heh | [16:14] |
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| m0unds | wee, just bottled beer batch #4 | [17:21] |
| RandalSchwartz | finally got merlyn+FOO@stonehenge.com to mean the same as merlyn.FOO@stonehenge.com
I tag all my vendor-submitted addresses to see if they're abusing it. been using . for that, although over time, + emerged as the standard. mailroute will now charge me for every merlyn.FOO address as if it was a seperate user! but merlyn+FOO is included with merlyn | [17:29] |
| mercutio | RandalSchwartz: sometimes i wish i'd already done that. uncovered anything interesting? | [17:42] |
| RandalSchwartz | not really. just had to get some regex right | [17:42] |
| m0unds | i've found that lots of civic action lists (environmental groups, etc) sell lists to each other
or share, i guess | [17:43] |
| RandalSchwartz | oh... the tagging is mostly when they start spamming me
I block that addr, and move on to the next one I'm now on #4 for one vendor :) | [17:43] |
| m0unds | yeah, that's what i do with mine too
hahaha | [17:43] |
| mercutio | oh not to see who they shared it to | [17:44] |
| RandalSchwartz | I opt out of everything I can, and I still get "messages from our partners" | [17:44] |
| m0unds | eah
yeah | [17:44] |
| mercutio | amazon's been sending me wya too much junk recently | [17:44] |
| m0unds | you can opt out of almost everything they send | [17:44] |
| mercutio | oh good to know
they randomly added woot woot don't even ship to nz | [17:45] |
| m0unds | i've bought a few odds and ends from woot
i got an XM radio from them like 10 years ago for 80% off, i still have it | [17:45] |
| mercutio | some of their deals seem pretty cheap for refurb stuff | [17:46] |
| m0unds | yeah
my buddy bought a couple of neato robotics refurb vacuum/sweeper things | [17:46] |
| mercutio | oh i've always wondered what those things are like
i'm assuming they're probably not very good. but i'm ready to be surprised :) | [17:46] |
| m0unds | i've heard the neato ones are a bit more like a traditional vacuum cleaner
can handle low pile carpet and pet hair a smidge better, but i think the newer roombas have improved on that | [17:46] |
| BryceBot | That's what she said!! | [17:47] |
| m0unds | i work from home now, so i just vacuum 3-4 times a week myself | [17:47] |
| mercutio | atm they seem to have 1080p 24" tv with wifi and netflix and so on for $140 | [17:47] |
| m0unds | i bought a couple of nice kershaw pocket knives, a couple of bricks of AA and AAA batteries and a bluetooth speaker/ipod dock thing | [17:47] |
| mercutio | from what i understand most cheap tv's aren't really that much worse than name brand tv's. ie hit and miss. but that the "smart" features can be worse. | [17:48] |
| m0unds | oh, and a couple pairs of moto bluetooth headphones for using at the gym. those were a good deal | [17:48] |
| mercutio | mercutio bloody hates samsung tv's | [17:48] |
| m0unds | yeah, i have an old 46" samsung from like 2007 or 2008, and it's ok | [17:48] |
| mercutio | and lg is meant to be hit and miss
i have an old sony from before they had wifi | [17:48] |
| m0unds | our living room set is a mitsubishi DLP, final gen before they discontinued them | [17:49] |
| mercutio | it's ok except that computer can't turn the tv off
it's like really annoying, but the only really annoying problem with it. you can if you use vga, just not over hdmi. | [17:49] |
| m0unds | ah | [17:49] |
| mercutio | i'm kind of waiting for 4k tv's to get good and cheap
and use that as a computer monitor :) | [17:51] |
| m0unds | `yeah, that'd be cool
i'd love a bigger display for my dorky flight and space sim stuff | [17:51] |
| mercutio | it's kind of crazy how 50" etc are getting cheap now
but most of them have terrible stands etc. kind of disconcerting to have a huge tv with a terrible stand, and can't really wall mount here. | [17:52] |
| m0unds | yeah, not really intended for use anywhere but a tv media center
or whatever | [17:53] |
| mercutio | my 4k monitor has a nice stand, it was one of the things i was looking for. | [17:53] |
| m0unds | DLPs have terrible geometry, so they're not really good for PC use | [17:53] |
| mercutio | it'll probably get worse before it gets better
like when LED tv's came out | [17:55] |
| BryceBot | That's what she said!! | [17:55] |
| m0unds | yeah
that's part of why we ended up w/a DLP - the color on the first couple generations of LED LCDs were really bad and the motion engines were awful (forced 120hz interpolation, etc) | [17:56] |
| mercutio | my tv is spva. | [17:57] |
| m0unds | we wanted a larger set for home theater stuff, but the equivalent LCD and plasma options were pretty awful
and twice as expensive | [17:57] |
| mercutio | yeah when i was looking no-one seemed to know anything :/
and interpolation was a huge craze and smart features were just coming in | [17:57] |
| m0unds | yeah, we spent hours at this huge local electronics place watching stuff | [17:58] |
| mercutio | my tv actually has ethernet
my tv can play some content off usb stick, but shit all | [17:58] |
| m0unds | yeah, we haven't ever used the smart stuff on this tv since we have an xbox one and before that, had a sony blu-ray player w/some decent stuff built in | [17:58] |
| mercutio | i basically decided they were all going to be crap for support.
and i'd rather just stick a computer on it. | [17:58] |
| m0unds | blu-ray player could handle dlna stuff pretty well and would stream netflix and amazon vod | [17:59] |
| mercutio | but if you were wanting to do such things, at least back then, it was a bit of a cluster****
now it seems samsung is pretty good for media support off usb sticks. but their tv's don't work with laptop/computers easily you have to screw around for it not to screw with quality and they all seem to be really glary with no contrast and high brightness so everything looks really washed out | [17:59] |
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| m0unds | yeah, shiny coatings on a device that'll be used in a room with imperfect lighting is kind of a bummer | [19:14] |
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| peterk | Hello - having a problem with my VPS, it pings, but can't connect to it, nor does it respond on any of the open ports | [19:56] |
| RandalSchwartz | what is showing on your console via VNC? | [19:57] |
| peterk | I haven't used that in such long time I can't get to it | [19:57] |
| RandalSchwartz | that'd be the first thing to work out. :)
either that, or just do a force-reboot from the UI | [19:58] |
| peterk | and don't have my login info available as I haven't used it in forever | [19:58] |
| RandalSchwartz | well - for ARP, there's no "login info", unless you mean to the arp site | [19:58] |
| mercutio | you can probably reset password | [19:58] |
| RandalSchwartz | to get to your box, it's all about a ssh keypair you exchanged. | [19:59] |
| mercutio | i haven't tried myself. | [19:59] |
| BryceBot | That's what she said!! | [19:59] |
| mercutio | i imagine they can't get to the management portal
because they don't know their password | [19:59] |
| peterk | never setup the ssh key pair as never needed it before | [19:59] |
| RandalSchwartz | then you won't get to VNC. :* | [19:59] |
| mercutio | mine is remembered in chrome | [19:59] |
| peterk | haha, yeah - my email is hosted on that vps, etc - anyway around this chicken egg problem? | [20:00] |
| RandalSchwartz | divine intervention? :)
and hopefully, lessons for the future. never send the reset password through the device you need the reset-password for. :) and always know how to get to your console | [20:01] |
| peterk | well, I did put in the secondary email address | [20:03] |
| RandalSchwartz | well, there you go | [20:03] |
| peterk | but it says that address doesn't exist when I try to reset password. | [20:03] |
| RandalSchwartz | try that
ugh if your box is non-responsive, and you can't remotely reboot it, hard to tell what to do next. | [20:03] |
| peterk | can I call the support number and get verified other methods? | [20:05] |
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| RandalSchwartz | I would presume so
never needed to do that. :) | [20:21] |
| peterk | found the login info in my backups, did a reset on the vps - its back up | [20:27] |
| RandalSchwartz | Yeay!
accepting connections, etc? | [20:27] |
| peterk | Randal, you work for arp? | [20:27] |
| RandalSchwartz | No - just a longtime customer and fan | [20:27] |
| peterk | yep, I'm sshed in
ok, i'll ask you while I'm here..been meaning to get to this for awhile now | [20:27] |
| RandalSchwartz | Nov 21, 2009 was my first VPS | [20:28] |
| peterk | never had a problem with the vps for for 2+ years, and then past month, my tar backups from cron would never complete, they'll just hang with high CPU for days on end | [20:28] |
| RandalSchwartz | weird
disk to disk within your vps? | [20:29] |
| peterk | and I haven't changed anything on server for ages...maybe that was my sign to reboot it.
yep disk to same disk | [20:29] |
| RandalSchwartz | curious.
so yeah, see if it's better after reboot if not, come here and describe | [20:29] |
| peterk | yeah, it was email backups - and tar would just hang and everything was slow - webmail, etc - just haven't had time to work on it. | [20:30] |
| RandalSchwartz | sounds like you were in swap | [20:30] |
| peterk | figured maybe just the host was overloaded.. | [20:30] |
| RandalSchwartz | swap is never fun. :) | [20:30] |
| peterk | no, top didn't show much swap usage | [20:31] |
| RandalSchwartz | much should be Zero
any non-zero swap is bad | [20:31] |
| peterk | haha, I have 768MB ram
its been running great for long time now | [20:31] |
| RandalSchwartz | you get what you pay for :) | [20:31] |
| peterk | yeah I know
ugh, should have connected to vnc before reboot - see what was on console at least I guess those ssh keys do come useful sometimes, even after years of perfect service - lessor learned, shtuff happens, put this info into a readily accessible place, not backups to dig through. | [20:32] |
| RandalSchwartz | cool
glad it worked out | [20:44] |
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| up_the_irons | RandalSchwartz: thanks for helping out peterk | [22:05] |
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| mnathani_ | how deep does the rabbit hole go? Does Q in Q in Q exist? | [22:50] |
| I guess it does: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1048611 | [22:56] | |
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| up_the_irons | lol | [23:11] |
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