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| RandalSchwartz | I use en_US.UTF-8 everywhere
8859-1 can just get you in trouble these days | [06:36] |
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| mkb | brycec, it can't ingest them, but it does spit them out unfortunately | [09:23] |
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| hmm so if I set XTerm*locale true I can see the text but still get french letters instead of quotes
If I do that and LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 I get fancy curly quotes (and god forbid I try to copy and paste them) in either case I have to change the font to iso10464-1 encoding explicitly or it uses fixed instead | [09:45] | |
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| mike-burns | Are you using uxterm? | [10:20] |
| mkb | no xterm with locale set
though the man page uxterm(1) actually says what xterm does with non-Unicode fonts the font is picked with the wildcard encoding without knowledge that it should be the iso10646 for Unicode | [10:22] |
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| RandalSchwartz | ... Some applications support ISO 10646 characters but do not fully support Unicode. One such application, Xterm, can properly display all ISO 10646 characters that have a one-to-one character-to-glyph mapping
It can handle some combining marks by simple overstriking methods, but cannot display Hebrew (bidirectional), Devanagari (one character to many glyphs) or Arabic (both features) Ditch Xterm, it seems. Welcome to the UTF world | [10:42] |
| mkb | yeah but all I want is to be able to SSH to Linux machines with newfangled GCC versions which print out curly quotes | [10:43] |
| RandalSchwartz | ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Character_Set | [10:43] |
| BryceBot | Universal Character Set :: The Universal Character Set (UCS), defined by the International Standard ISO/IEC 10646, Information technology — Universal multiple-octet coded character set (UCS) (plus amendments to that standard), is a standard set of characters upon which many character encodings are based. The UCS contains nearly one hundred thousand abstract characters, each identified by an unambiguous name and an integer number called its code | [10:43] |
| mkb | I'm not sure how you fit Arabic or Devana.. can't spell.. Indian script into a terminal anyway | [10:44] |
| RandalSchwartz | "fit"?
it's not like they have excessively wide characters. :) | [10:44] |
| mkb | no but they're all combined and Arabic at least is backwards | [10:44] |
| RandalSchwartz | ऊ
that's a devana character. ؏ Hmm. that would have been an arabic charcter. :) ॠ ☰ trigram for heaven. ♲ recycle anyway. :) | [10:46] |
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| mkb | none of that displayed. I think tmux because I "fixed" xterm
or maybe xterm doesn't support that either | [11:13] |
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| m0unds | umm, tmux should support it. i don't think i did anything fancy to my tmux install aside from installing and adjusting the key combos to match screen | [14:20] |
| RandalSchwartz | tmux recognizes whether it's in UTF mode by the locale
otherwise you have to use -i | [14:21] |
| m0unds | i'd hope so, silly to have separate cfg for it | [14:21] |
| RandalSchwartz | err.. -u | [14:21] |
| mkb | you probably have such a locale
but I'm not restarting tmux to check | [14:21] |
| RandalSchwartz | I do | [14:21] |
| m0unds | i have whatever locale centos set for me by default
and whatever osx gives me for this terminal | [14:21] |
| RandalSchwartz | tmux was designed to be restarted. :) | [14:22] |
| mkb | the server would have to be restarted | [14:22] |
| RandalSchwartz | this is client side, not server side
it won't matter there | [14:22] |
| mkb | it does too matter | [14:22] |
| m0unds | could just create a new window and ask the terminal, no? | [14:22] |
| mkb | I did | [14:22] |
| RandalSchwartz | you must be forcing some non-utf locale in your shell startup then | [14:23] |
| mkb | or using an OS that defaults to C like POSIX says | [14:23] |
| RandalSchwartz | yeah.. my zsh forces LC_ALL
to be sensible :) to no longer be stuck in the 90s :) | [14:23] |
| BryceBot | That's what she said!! | [14:24] |
| mkb | more like 70s. plan 9 supports (invented) utf-8 just fine | [14:24] |
| RandalSchwartz | well - the rest of the world was still using 8859-X variants | [14:28] |
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| mercutio | what does setting C locale do?
i seem to remember it works better soemtimes. i have LANG=en_NZ.UTF-8 i don't know if htat's good or bad TERM=rxvt-unicode-256color i also have that, which breaks some destinations and so i have to redefine my terminal type. | [14:46] |
| RandalSchwartz | C locale is classic mode, before UTF8
one char = one byte | [14:52] |
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| mnathani_ | @weather yyz | [19:01] |
| BryceBot | Toronto-Pearson International, Ontario: Scattered Clouds 19°F (-7°C), Humidity: 74%, Wind: From the NE at 2 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=43.67722321,-79.63055420 or re-request this with: @weather -v yyz | [19:01] |
| mnathani_ | @weather -v yyz | [19:01] |
| BryceBot | Toronto-Pearson International, Ontario: Scattered Clouds 19°F (-7°C), Humidity: 74%, Wind: From the NE at 2 MPH, Pressure: 30.29inHg (1026mb) and holding, Dewpoint: 12°F (-11°C), Visibility: 15Mi (24km), UV index: 0, Sunrise 07:24, Sunset: 17:41, Lunar phase: Third quarter
Tuesday: Overcast 23°F/14°F (-5°C/-10°C) | Wednesday: Snow Showers 29°F/20°F (-2°C/-7°C) | Thursday: Partly Cloudy 19°F/-7°F (-7°C/-22°C) | Friday: Clear 12°F/4°F (-11°C/-16°C) The average high for this date is 29°F (-1°C), and the record of 50°F (10°C) was set in 2001. The average low is 16°F (-8°C), and the record of 2°F (-16°C) was set in 2013 | [19:01] |
| RandalSchwartz | @weather ksmo | [19:09] |
| BryceBot | There are 2 weather alerts in effect for your area! There is a High Surf Advisory. There is a Wind Advisory.
Santa Monica Municipal, CA: Clear 63°F (17°C), Humidity: 56%, Wind: From the West at 8 MPH Gusting to 11 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=, or re-request this with: @weather -v ksmo | [19:09] |
| RandalSchwartz | High Surf
isn't that constant here? I mean, pot is nearly legal! wait... gusting to *11* is a wind alert? where the f are these guys from? | [19:10] |
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| m0unds | hahaha
yeah, was thinking that myself | [19:32] |
| BryceBot | That's what she said!! | [19:32] |
| m0unds | @weather 87114 | [19:32] |
| BryceBot | There is 1 weather alert in effect for your area! There is a Wind Advisory.
Albuquerque, NM: Clear 50°F (10°C), Humidity: 30%, Wind: Calm -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=35.193901,-106.735825 or re-request this with: @weather -v 87114 | [19:32] |
| m0unds | advisory indicates 45-55mph tonight (oh boy) | [19:32] |
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| mercutio | is that gust or average? | [19:56] |
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| mercutio | woot, 400 megabit wifi with openwrt vs 600 megabit with normal firmware.
it was like 60 megabit at first | [21:11] |
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| brycec | You're excited to have lower speeds? | [21:35] |
| milki | i have like 1 -.- | [21:35] |
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| m0unds | mercutio: 25-35 sustained, gusts 45-55 | [21:52] |
| mercutio | yeah that's not so bad
well not usually damaging | [21:52] |
| m0unds | not the sustained part, but the 55mph part can certainly remove shingles from your roof
our springtime winds are usually 45-50 sustained, gusts to 60-70 | [21:53] |
| mercutio | yaeh that's about when damaging starts | [21:54] |
| m0unds | early winter (end of nov to dec) is usually around the same. had winds one year blow a radio rig off a cellphone tower at verizon's call center | [21:54] |
| mercutio | can brycebot convert? | [21:54] |
| m0unds | like, lifted the whole thing up and off the tower | [21:54] |
| mercutio | BryceBot: 135 kmh to mph | [21:54] |
| m0unds | yea, convert what to what?
@wa 135kmh to mph | [21:54] |
| BryceBot | convert 135 km/h (kilometers per hour) to miles per hour;83.89 mph (miles per hour);37.5 m/s (meters per second);2250 m/min (meters per minute);3240 km/day (kilometers per day);72.89 knots;1.398 mi/min (miles per minute);~~ 0.95 × speed at which Marty McFly needed to drive the Delorean DMC-12 in order to time travel ( 88 mph );~~ 1.01 × record human-powered vehicle land speed ( 82.819 mph );~~ 1.1 × cheetah sprint speed (~~ 75 mph ) | [21:54] |
| mercutio | that's about what i consider heavy wind
but it really depends what's average for the area if it's above average there's more likely to be issues i was reeraching personal weather systems the other day, and some of the outdoor ones aren't waterproof here mix of wind and rain means it's hard to have things outdoor that don't get wet | [21:55] |
| m0unds | yeah, i'd love to run a pws
but there are 3 within a mile of me | [22:00] |
| mercutio | oh
hmm i wonder how far away the one is from me 6.3 km apparently well for the suburb so like 3 or 4 miles | [22:00] |
| m0unds | actually, it looks like i now have 3 within a mile | [22:02] |
| mercutio | maybe it's more common there? | [22:03] |
| m0unds | KNMALBUQ184, 132 and 48 | [22:03] |
| mercutio | or you just live in a weather geek area :) | [22:03] |
| m0unds | yeah, i guess | [22:03] |
| mercutio | it'd be nice if it can get more data from more of them
but i think it doesn't aggregate them the wind speeds are routinely way off because they vary so much by the smallest distance | [22:03] |
| Brycec, oh i wasn't excited about having lower speeds, i was excited about having "near enough" speeds without using stupid non open source nat hacks.
i really don't trust these atheros/broadcom/etc firmwares | [22:14] | |
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| brycec | ah thanks for the clarity | [22:29] |
| brycec happily runs ddwrt himself
But that's mostly for the control esp. because I just want a basic AP | [22:34] | |
| mercutio | what kernel version is it using?
i like gargoyle, but it doesn't work with ath10k atm it sems i just want a basic bridge no intelligence at all there's meant to be some new ath10k improvements coming in, but even the development openwrt seems to be 3.14 | [22:44] |
| m0unds | i was just running stock firmware before i replaced my linksys APs w/ubnt stuff
radio perf was shit with dd-wrt or tomato ^ | [22:48] |
| mercutio | i had terrible wifi until i used an alternative firmware that the module loads when it starts
i used to use tp-link 1043 as wireless ap years back with ipv6 and it "just worked" | [22:49] |
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| brycec | mercutio: 3.5.7.33 | [23:07] |
| mercutio | hmm that's pretty old
gargoyle stable relase is 3.3.8 though | [23:07] |
| brycec | Relatively, yeah. But it works... I get full wifi performance through it, so I don't care its version. | [23:08] |
| mercutio | what's full? | [23:08] |
| brycec | 300mbps give or take | [23:08] |
| mercutio | yeah that's good
i have found that routers vary a lot i used to find some struggled to do 30 megabit | [23:08] |
| brycec | I have a buttload of bottlenecks before router performance were ever an issue. (interference / channel crowding) | [23:09] |
| mercutio | but i can do 30 megabit even on wireless g | [23:09] |
| m0unds | boo crowding | [23:09] |
| mercutio | oh yeah 5 ghz can make a lot of difference
for some reason here 2.4 ghz gets random hiccups | [23:10] |
| brycec | And it does... for the devices that support it :p | [23:10] |
| mercutio | like throughput is fine on 2.4 ghz normally
it'll just randomly cut out for a moment | [23:10] |
| brycec | brycec glares at the Chromecast
(and his Nexus 7) | [23:10] |
| mercutio | it's happened through multiple modems etc, i am wondering if it's my car alarm
do car alarms with remote openers spray crap over 2.4 ghz intermittently? i cant' really think what else it could be | [23:10] |
| brycec | Most car remotes are in the 433 or 900 MHz bands | [23:11] |
| mercutio | oh | [23:11] |
| brycec | (And also use DSS) | [23:12] |
| mercutio | i never trusted 2.4 | [23:12] |
| brycec | Microwave overns on the other hand...
They tend to blast across the 1.9-2.4 | [23:12] |
| mercutio | yeah it happens with no microwave ovens on in the house
unless it counts neighbours i've tried various channels etc | [23:12] |
| brycec | (Yeah neighbours would affect) | [23:13] |
| mercutio | i just figure 2.4 sucks
oh even in non connected houses? | [23:13] |
| brycec | Radio waves, man | [23:13] |
| mercutio | i suppose best just to use 5 ghz
i think there was some idea of 3.6 ghz or something but 5 ghz actually goes around my house better than 2.4 it seems i thought range was meant to be worse :/ | [23:13] |
| brycec | It is. How odd.
Though there are building materials that would interfere with 2.4 and not other bands | [23:14] |
| mercutio | yeah could be | [23:14] |
| brycec | I should just say materials in general | [23:14] |
| mercutio | there's steel beams or something
the wifi here suucks like a little dongle thing was unsable. and changing routers i got up from 1 to 10 megabit outside but inside it gives 30 megabit on cellphone and 100 megabit on tablet but 10 megabit is a lot more usable than 1 megabit it was even cutting out completely before my idea is to try and bounce and move around near outside so it's just one wall beacuse although it works "outside" it cuts out if you walk too far outside i suppose a nice solution would be external ap but not that practical. | [23:14] |
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