in the interests of minimalism the Linux people have been removing practically everything useful from their OSes mercutio, maybe telnet protocol is dead but it's useful for seeing if a server accepts connections on port X s/removing.*/moving everything useful from their OSes into systemd/ in the interests of minimalism the Linux people have been moving everything useful from their OSes into systemd s/minimalism/dubious minimalism (at best)/ in the interests of dubious minimalism (at best) the Linux people have been removing practically everything useful from their OSes I would argue that it's less about minimalism and more of not encouraging bad practices. Even Windows/MSFT removed telnet from their "base" install. telnetd Did they also remove telnet, the client? I still use telnet to test that services are answering I use netcat, or nmap. I am old, change is hard telnet is part of the base system in centos 7 at least it was on mine telnet.x86_64 1:0.17-59.el7 @base m0unds: yum install telnet installs it, but it was not installed by default They don't have nc on Fedora either. And nc doesn't send \r\n, which testing a lot of services require Though now a lot of that might need openssl s_client and that leaves a lot to be desired too "nc doesn't send" This statement is factually incorrect. my nc doens't send \r\n unless I type ^M at the end of each line Ohhh I misinterpreted what you said thought my IRC client was just flaking out with the \r\n ah. and there's one of them that requires the \r\n mnathani: i figured it wasn't in yours, i was just noting it was installed by default in the base system on my install of centos 7 (@base) which was installed from media with just the base system selected (all other stuff was added later by me using yum) mine was a net install, I think I picked infrastructure server ah, that could do it i hadn't used centos in years so i figured i'd try out 7 are you familiar with / do you use: nc (or netcat) utility sorry, had to get coffee - i've only used it for basic stuff nc is pretty easy/simple stuff. socat on the other hand... i used it mostly for debugging issues w/telemetry from recording gear at my old job it was supposed to be sending certain strings of data on a port to a supervisor server, and we got a replacement LSI card w/different BIOS on it that formatted the output of a command differently than other stuff oh, and for debugging serial over network crap too yuck It's fun stuff I'm currently using socat to forward/bounce telnet connections neat Got so tired of port-scanners hitting port 23 that I now "forward" those connections to the ascii star wars server. (telnet vps3.cobryce.com) ahahaha socat -lm -d -d -6 -U TCP-LISTEN:23,fork TCP:towel.blinkenlights.nl:23 too funny hahha i thought this had colour heh I guess it all depends if you've licked any stamps lately :P "Please don't add support for OpenBSD. I prefer to use a more robust provider, arp networks." Please don't add support for OpenBSD. I prefer to use a more robust provider, arp networks. http://digitalocean.uservoice.com/forums/136585-digitalocean/suggestions/6963821-support-openbsd (flubbed the copy/paste) The Internet confuses me... dat logic wat Wat. why are you reading do forums? Maybe that was secretly up_the_irons In my defense, mercutio, it was linked to me by another channel i imagine he'd use some capitals for arp "Openbsd for me too. It feels the safest environment for me as a home user. Totally given up Linux now. such quality on there That's what she said!! http://digitalocean.uservoice.com/forums/136585-digitalocean/suggestions/5812390-keep-arch-linux-on-digitalocean arch is pretty easy to install from iso i wonder if this idea of shifting to templates is getting in the way ain't nobody got time to manually install from an ISO templates++ arch users do :/ well arch tends to be wehre people wnat to have options a lot of people wanted them to keep arch around and they're deprecating it i wonder if arp supports arch "Arch is my go-to. I'm upvoting this ticket and also the ticket to allow custom ISOs, to allow me to use Arch. Please?" It certainly does insomuch as you can install your own ISO :p so they don't actually support iso on digitalocean nope all I ever hear about them is people trying to petition them for some other OS I go find someone who will let me install whatever OS I want exactly. that said, arp wasn't the first place i've had openbsd but in the past i'd had to do iso install