#arpnetworks 2015-01-20,Tue

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mkbin the interests of minimalism the Linux people have been removing practically everything useful from their OSes
mercutio, maybe telnet protocol is dead but it's useful for seeing if a server accepts connections on port X
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mhorans/removing.*/moving everything useful from their OSes into systemd/ [06:06]
BryceBot<mkb> in the interests of minimalism the Linux people have been moving everything useful from their OSes into systemd [06:06]
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mkbs/minimalism/dubious minimalism (at best)/ [06:35]
BryceBot<mkb> in the interests of dubious minimalism (at best) the Linux people have been removing practically everything useful from their OSes [06:35]
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brycecI would argue that it's less about minimalism and more of not encouraging bad practices. Even Windows/MSFT removed telnet from their "base" install. [08:00]
mike-burnstelnetd
Did they also remove telnet, the client?
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technoid_I still use telnet to test that services are answering [08:17]
brycecI use netcat, or nmap. [08:25]
technoid_I am old, change is hard [08:30]
m0undstelnet is part of the base system in centos 7
at least it was on mine
telnet.x86_64 1:0.17-59.el7 @base
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mnathanim0unds: yum install telnet installs it, but it was not installed by default [09:26]
mkbThey don't have nc on Fedora either. And nc doesn't send rn, which testing a lot of services require
Though now a lot of that might need openssl s_client and that leaves a lot to be desired too
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brycec"nc doesn't send" This statement is factually incorrect. [09:37]
mkbmy nc doens't send rn unless I type ^M at the end of each line [09:39]
brycecOhhh I misinterpreted what you said
thought my IRC client was just flaking out with the rn
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mkbah. and there's one of them that requires the rn [09:41]
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m0undsmnathani: i figured it wasn't in yours, i was just noting it was installed by default in the base system on my install of centos 7 (@base)
which was installed from media with just the base system selected (all other stuff was added later by me using yum)
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mnathanimine was a net install, I think I picked infrastructure server [16:12]
m0undsah, that could do it
i hadn't used centos in years so i figured i'd try out 7
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mnathaniare you familiar with / do you use: nc (or netcat) utility [16:12]
m0undssorry, had to get coffee - i've only used it for basic stuff [16:18]
brycecnc is pretty easy/simple stuff. socat on the other hand... [16:19]
m0undsi used it mostly for debugging issues w/telemetry from recording gear at my old job
it was supposed to be sending certain strings of data on a port to a supervisor server, and we got a replacement LSI card w/different BIOS on it that formatted the output of a command differently than other stuff
oh, and for debugging serial over network crap too
yuck
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brycecIt's fun stuff
I'm currently using socat to forward/bounce telnet connections
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m0undsneat [16:26]
brycecGot so tired of port-scanners hitting port 23 that I now "forward" those connections to the ascii star wars
server.
(telnet vps3.cobryce.com)
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m0undsahahaha [16:27]
brycecsocat -lm -d -d -6 -U TCP-LISTEN:23,fork TCP:towel.blinkenlights.nl:23 [16:27]
m0undstoo funny [16:28]
brycecbrycec bows [16:28]
mercutiohahha
i thought this had colour
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brycecheh
I guess it all depends if you've licked any stamps lately :P
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brycec"Please don't add support for OpenBSD. I prefer to use a more robust provider, arp networks." Please don't add support for OpenBSD. I prefer to use a more robust provider, arp networks.
http://digitalocean.uservoice.com/forums/136585-digitalocean/suggestions/6963821-support-openbsd
(flubbed the copy/paste)
The Internet confuses me...
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staticsafedat logic
wat
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mhoranWat. [19:35]
mercutiowhy are you reading do forums? [19:35]
brycecMaybe that was secretly up_the_irons
In my defense, mercutio, it was linked to me by another channel
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mercutioi imagine he'd use some capitals for arp
"Openbsd for me too. It feels the safest environment for me as a home user. Totally given up Linux now.
such quality on there
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BryceBotThat's what she said!! [19:36]
mercutiohttp://digitalocean.uservoice.com/forums/136585-digitalocean/suggestions/5812390-keep-arch-linux-on-digitalocean
arch is pretty easy to install from iso
i wonder if this idea of shifting to templates is getting in the way
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staticsafeain't nobody got time to manually install from an ISO
templates++
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mercutioarch users do :/
well arch tends to be wehre people wnat to have options
a lot of people wanted them to keep arch around
and they're deprecating it
i wonder if arp supports arch
"Arch is my go-to. I'm upvoting this ticket and also the ticket to allow custom ISOs, to allow me to use Arch. Please?"
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brycecIt certainly does insomuch as you can install your own ISO :p [19:41]
mercutioso they don't actually support iso on digitalocean [19:41]
staticsafenope [19:41]
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mkbmkb doesn't understand this digital ocean fad
all I ever hear about them is people trying to petition them for some other OS
I go find someone who will let me install whatever OS I want
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mercutioexactly.
that said, arp wasn't the first place i've had openbsd
but in the past i'd had to do iso install
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