[00:34] up_the_irons is on the case [00:34] Ooh, now graphs fails with no route to host [01:02] cool [01:02] maybe he rebooted it? [01:02] it works for me now at least [01:03] although it seems it broke a few days ago [01:04] Yep, back up and working for me too. [01:04] do you find a gap since like thursday? [01:04] sweet [01:05] yeah [01:05] Yep, late Thurs. [01:05] I see missgin data [01:05] heh i wasn't sure when on thursday it was [01:05] but yeah that makse sense, the red line is the end of thursday [01:05] Free bandwidth! [01:05] haha [01:06] i'm under monthly cap in a year anyway :/ [02:44] *** bmacs has left [05:14] *** jcv has joined #arpnetworks [08:21] *** dj_goku has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [08:35] *** dj_goku has joined #arpnetworks [08:35] *** dj_goku has quit IRC (Changing host) [08:35] *** dj_goku has joined #arpnetworks [10:04] *** dj_goku has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [10:23] *** dj_goku has joined #arpnetworks [10:23] *** dj_goku has quit IRC (Changing host) [10:23] *** dj_goku has joined #arpnetworks [11:50] do azure cloud servers come with public IPs or are they Natted like AWS ? [12:05] Azure doesn't even let ICMP through afaict [12:05] but I don't remember them having NAT [12:15] didn't azure have osme fre etrial or something at some point [12:16] To sign up for a Free Trial you need a phone number, a credit card, and a Microsoft Account username (formerly Windows Live ID). [12:16] We use the phone number and credit card for identity verification. We want to make sure that real people are using Azure. We do not bill anything on the credit card. [12:17] wow they have a lot of lcoations [12:17] *** jbergstroem_ has joined #arpnetworks [12:18] *** jbergstroem has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [12:26] Yeah, but MSFT had [most of] those DC's already. AWS was essentially building out new [12:34] *shrug* [12:34] azure is in new zealand, aws isn't. [12:34] and isn't aws in like 12 locations if that [12:34] Sydney is close enough :P [12:34] and azure seems to be in like 140+ [12:34] static: it's a difference of 6x ping for me :/ [12:35] and more for some people heh [12:35] it's actually good to have sservers within 20 msec really :/ [12:35] Sydney congestion is more common than US congestion here it seems too. [12:44] oh actually azure doesn't have new zealand [12:45] the list it in the 140 locations or whatever, but there's only like 12 again that you can host vm's in [14:39] how different is nginx compared to apache? [14:41] The configuration is still text-based... [14:41] Many similar concepts [14:41] But it's definitely its own program [14:42] how about lighttpd [14:42] are those two similar? [14:42] nginx and lighttpd I mean [14:43] Yeah I'd say nginx and lighttpd are more similar than either to Apache. [14:43] By no means are the configuration files compatible though, if that's what you're getting at [14:44] zeshoem: lighttpd is much simpler than nginx ime [14:44] I suppose I mean more feature compliant, run ssl and php etc [14:44] but nginx has more cool features, is under more active development, and seems to be getting more popular. [14:45] nginx ftw :) [14:45] something similar to .htaccess files so users can modify config [14:45] i'm slowly shifting some stuff form lighttpd to nginx. [14:45] zeshoem: that's an apacheism [14:45] for shared hosting most people are still doing apache [14:46] it actually seems to the most desired feature pushing poeple to apache though [14:47] That and suexec [14:47] you can run php under different users brycec [14:47] The only two reasons I'd still run Apache. And the htaccess-isms are easily translated into server-side config. [14:47] mercutio: Yeah but it's a bitch of a setup [14:47] do most folks hand write their apache configs? [14:48] virtualhosts and all [14:48] zeshoem: i wrote a script to do some apache config stuff once [14:48] but i still usually just hand roll. [14:48] ^ [14:49] I used to hand roll a long time ago, before I was introduced to cPanel [14:49] *cough* [14:49] now I seem to have lost that ability [14:49] /part [14:49] it's not very complicated zeshoem [14:49] in the big scheme of things [14:49] but if you struggle with that you may struggle with nginx and php [14:50] as long as I can yum install nginx and something like php-nginx I should be OK [14:50] maaaybe, if the packagers included a config for you [14:50] but if it needs compiling I probably cant handle that [14:50] That's what she said!! [14:50] BryceBot: twss [14:50] Okay! twss! 'but if it needs compiling I probably cant handle that' [14:50] maybe you should just stick with cpanel [14:51] it doens't need compiling, but it needs config [14:51] It would be awesome if something feature comparable to cPanel was release as Free Software. [14:51] the cPanel tax hurts [14:51] it's only $10/month or something isn't it [14:51] Well, I hate to say it, but there is Webmin... [14:52] oh it's $20/month [14:52] its different on virtual servers and physical but its there [14:53] well thre's lots of howto's around about configuring nginx/php [14:53] http://askubuntu.com/questions/134666/what-is-the-easiest-way-to-enable-php-on-nginx [14:54] is there a noticable performance boost while using nginx compared to apache? [14:54] on low ram hosts sure [14:54] on high load sure [14:55] but if you have plenty of ram/cpu/etc with light load you probably won't notice the difference [14:55] For most, nginx outperforms Apache in many facets. [14:55] It's very nice to have a minimal footprint. Apache is a hog. [14:56] there are lots of convoluted things that all work intogether zeshoem [14:56] like lots of php stuff leaks. [14:56] so running less processes can mean you're less likely to deplete all of your ram. [14:56] apache has more than one version, in the in-process model it runs php as a module, and each apache instance uses a lot of ram. [14:57] which goes up over time normally, as it doesn't seem to free it between requests. [14:57] (And so one approach of Apache's is to reap and respawn those child processes) [14:57] so most people that still use apache with medium to high load sites run php as a cgi with apache [14:58] oh yeah the easy workarouhnd is to limit the number of requests served by a process. [14:58] but doing such things reduces further static performnace [14:59] Oh man, sendfile performance for static assets, mind-blowing [15:00] zeshoem: also tuning mysql can make a difference to php site performance normally. [15:00] as well as using caching plugins etc. [15:00] (Not a very noticeable gain for small/slow sites, but larger sites and scripts/apps that make good use of it, it's awesome) [15:01] brycec: caching helps small sites. [15:01] mercutio: Sorry, I was referring to sendfile [15:01] o right [15:01] setting expires etc elps too [15:01] why is my h key being mental [15:01] Yeah there's lots of optimization that can be eked out [15:01] if you know what you're doing [15:02] If you're afraid of compiling, then you probably aren't the type to opimize the dickens out of things [15:02] but yeah that stuff can make more noticable difference to speed than apache vs nginx [15:03] some people are just lazy, and just enable cloudflare in front of their sites. [15:03] I have a site where a php script receives a request and serves back a file from the disk. It sees some pretty heavy use. Using sendfile in that reduced my system load to practically nothing [15:03] brycec: that's a special case :) [15:03] I dare say that's exactly sendfile's intended use :p [15:03] (serving file downloads) [15:03] oh i thought you meant the sendfile system call [15:04] X-Sendfile technically [15:04] yeah, that's different :) [15:04] slightly ;p [15:04] http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man2/sendfile.2.html [15:04] well it means php isn't in a send/recv loop [15:04] and php bieng intrepreted and high memory usage means it's good to avoid [15:04] Yep, and the server can recycle/cache as it wants [15:04] lighttpd supports that too [15:05] lightty really is simpler :/ [15:05] http://wiki.nginx.org/XSendfile [15:05] Yep [15:05] I find nginx simpler, personally [15:05] interesting [15:05] on ubuntu lighttpd php just works [15:05] nginx lets me do relatively complex things very simply. [15:05] well that's not what i was thinking when i wqas talking about simple :) [15:06] I can't read your mind :P [15:06] heh [15:06] i meant simple as in basic [15:06] Anyhow, yes, everyone has different definitions of "simple" [15:06] (and "similar") [15:06] yeah [15:06] it's all about scope [15:06] if you just want to install cacti or something on a host, and have a web interface, lighttpd is quick/easy [15:07] but if you want to do complex sites nginx may help [15:07] and nginx supports spdy :) [15:07] (And Apache is easier, because the cacti package just drops in a config for it :P) [15:07] same with lightty [15:07] Enabling spdy was super, super easy [15:08] Not that I'll see a benefit from it in my uses... but hey, geek cred, or something [15:08] heh [15:08] new ubuntu supports tcp fast open in nginx [15:09] we probably overloaded zeshoem [15:48] stepped away for a few minutes. Back now [15:49] heh [15:49] spun up a centos6 and centos7 vm [15:50] was trying to figure out why pings are getting duplicated [15:51] *** hive-mind has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [15:52] turns out a virtual GNS3 router was interfering [15:52] *** hive-mind has joined #arpnetworks [15:54] yeah, graphs.arp was borked for a while [15:56] *** medum has joined #arpnetworks [16:00] up_the_irons: what happened to it? [16:00] we were getting apache poked itself [16:01] mercutio: not sure, i finally had to just hard reboot it [16:01] weird. [16:06] *** jbergstroem_ is now known as jbergstroem [18:17] *** lystra has joined #arpnetworks [22:03] -bash: telnet: command not found [22:48] apt-get install telnet ? [22:59] centos 7, I was just surprised its not installed by default. yum install telnet worked [23:00] ubuntu doesn't install it by default either iirc [23:00] slackware is the only distro that used to isntall lots of stuff by default? [23:00] i dunno it's current status as i havent' used it since libc5 days.