#arpnetworks 2015-01-13,Tue

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zhangxiaobaoHello guys [19:58]
mercutiohi [20:00]
zhangxiaobaoI'm trying to set up ipv6 multihoming without BGP. Does LISP(Locations/ID seperation protocol) work when the other endpoint doesn't support LISP? Should I use ULA with prefix translation? Does it break anything? Are there any other options? [20:01]
mercutioi have no idea sorry [20:02]
zhangxiaobaoWhat are the benefits of enabling IPv6 for an average home user? [20:07]
mercutionil :)
the main advantage of ipv6 is more ip addresses with direct connectivity. but the majority of things do not use it.
it has more benefit to mobile providers who are running out of ip addresses and are starting to use nat, and it may in some cases stop you having to use carrier grade not of your provider
but as of right now, it's mostly useful if you want to "play" with more ip addresses, or if you want direct connectivity to multiple hosts.
which home users don't generally need.
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zhangxiaobaoOK, thank you very much [20:13]
mercutiothe amount of usage of ipv6 is increasing, but it's mostly to things like google, facebook etc which are all on ipv4 as well as ipv6
with businesses there are some advantages. if you want to connect two networks together and directly access each other, you can each have your own ip address space and not have to renumber.
but so many things depend on ipv4 right now you still have to renumber. and just using an ip address space other than 10.0.0.0/8, 192.168.1.0/24, 192.168.0.0/24 means you're less likely to clash.
if you really want to multihome then it's reasonably easy to get ip address space to multihome.
it's easier in most instances than increasing your amount of ip address space.
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zhangxiaobaowell my mobile provider uses 172.x and my college uses some 10.x and 192.168 :) [20:16]
mercutioi wouldn't say there's anything bad about playing with ipv6. [20:17]
zhangxiaobaoi can't get my own ip address because my upstream(college) won't route it [20:17]
mercutiowell you'd need two providers to be of benefit anyway.
do you want multiple incoming addresses at home?
err at your college?
[20:17]
zhangxiaobaoer...yes [20:18]
mercutiowhy? :) [20:19]
zhangxiaobaobecause of the great firewall of china [20:19]
mercutioyou mean you want to bypass firewall?
you can vpn
you could vpn to somewhere which may let you have incoming connections.
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zhangxiaobaoit's not about incoming connections, but outgoing ones [20:19]
mercutiofrom my understanding, the most consistent performance from china for vpn'ing comes from vpn'ing to hong kong.
but if you want to access the US, then as long as you have a route that doesn't give evening congestion than vpn'ing to the US should work ok.
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zhangxiaobaoi've been doing this [20:20]
mercutiobut the problem comes when you want to route some stuff over vpn and some stuff not. [20:21]
zhangxiaobaobut then if you want to visit a website in china you're going china-->us-->china
yes, exactly
[20:21]
mercutioexactly. [20:21]
zhangxiaobaothat's why i'm trying to do multihoming [20:21]
mercutiook there are other solutions.
do you have a linux box there?
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zhangxiaobaoyes i'm using one as a router [20:22]
mercutiocan it run squid? [20:22]
zhangxiaobaoi think so [20:22]
mercutiocan you code in perl? [20:22]
zhangxiaobaonot really :) [20:22]
mercutioif you can fake it you're probably fine :)
i did a perl plugin for squid before that can proxy to various proxies depending on what country a destination is in
or go direct if within the same country
it's really sloppy and proof of concept, but i think it'd work the best/easiest for normal usage for you
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zhangxiaobaothis can only proxy http connections right? [20:24]
mercutiohttp and https
so can do fakebook etc
[20:24]
zhangxiaobaohow does https work? [20:24]
mercutioyou set proxy as explicit proxy on your computer [20:24]
zhangxiaobaodoesnt it break the end to end model? [20:24]
mercutioand then it does a CONNECT www.facebook.com etc
and looks like http
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_tunnel
like that
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BryceBotHTTP tunnel :: HTTP tunneling is a technique by which communications performed using various network protocols are encapsulated using the HTTP protocol, the network protocols in question usually belonging to the TCP/IP family of protocols. The HTTP protocol therefore acts as a wrapper for a channel that the network protocol being tunneled uses to communicate. The HTTP stream with its covert channel is termed an HTTP tunnel. HTTP tunnel... [20:25]
zhangxiaobaoso it proxies https from the tcp layer? [20:25]
mercutioi'm in new zealand, i played with having it proxy for US, UK etc.
but it can probably be simplified
acttually even how it is now it goes direct for china :)
because NZ -> CN is faster than NZ -> US -> CN
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zhangxiaobaoyeah [20:26]
mercutio} elsif ($geoip =~ m/CN/) {
print "ERRn";
it's hackish like that :)
basically squid just has to see OK or ERR
if it's a china or non china web site
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zhangxiaobao:) [20:27]
mercutiobut you probably want TW etc to go direct too
http://pastebin.com/mpFQW11r
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zhangxiaobaowhat about things other than http(s)? [20:28]
mercutiowell you'd have to VPN properly for that
lots of things can use http/https proxy
even things like skype can afaik
that's just a subsection
basically i just added a few things hah
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zhangxiaobaobut you still have to set the proxy setting yourself? [20:29]
mercutiomost things listen to internet explorer proxy settings in windows [20:29]
zhangxiaobaowell i'm trying to set up wireless network for my roommates who doesn't know what is http... [20:30]
mercutioit's just using the maxmind database for geoip
well i'd do it the squid way myself :)
there is an alternative way
but it's the simplest way to get good performance for web
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zhangxiaobaonow i'm routing everything over vpn but they complain it's too slow for websites within china [20:31]
mercutioyeah
the other way is using BGP
and the other way still is to vpn to hong kong
# lookmeup www.china.cn
Rev 1: CN 22 Beijing
so i have a script like that
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zhangxiaobaowhat is that? [20:33]
mercutioif all the web sites end in .cn, ,tw etc you can make rules in squid too
it's a maxmind lookup
geoiplookup -f /usr/local/share/GeoIP/GeoLiteCity.dat $1 | mawk -F, '{ print $2, $3, $4 }'
it just formats it a little nicer
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zhangxiaobaooh ok [20:34]
mercutiohttp://dev.maxmind.com/geoip/geoip2/geolite2/
seems there's a new format
but you can basically download database of where ip's are
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zhangxiaobaoi'm thinking of a global routing table [20:35]
mercutioyou can do that too
but it's still complicated :/
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zhangxiaobaolike this:https://github.com/fivesheep/chnroutes
gets subnet allocation from apnic
then add routes to a specific country
works at ip layer instead of squid layer
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mercutiook try that then ;)
i imagine you'll have to force it to route things like google through it
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zhangxiaobaoi haven't tried it [20:39]
mercutiowell google gives me an apnic ip [20:39]
zhangxiaobaobut i'd imagine it would have some trouble with anycast ips? [20:40]
mercutiogoogle doesn't anycast normally
8.8.8.8 is anycasted
but it's not the norm
and 8.8.8.8 is ARIN ip
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zhangxiaobaoare you receiving ip for google.co.nz? [20:41]
mercutiogoogle.co.nz is a cname to google.com
so it's the same
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zhangxiaobaooh, ok [20:41]
mercutio74.125.237.216
i usually get ip's like that though
which i assume is arin
yeah that's arin
but it sometimes can give APNIC results, google are kind of weird. :)
and there's nothing worse than thinsg that randomly break
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zhangxiaobaoyeah [20:43]
mercutiobut yeah as a first shot try bypassing for all apnic ip addresses
should be able to find a list of their ranges somewhree
http://www.apnic.net/publications/research-and-insights/ip-address-trends/apnic-resource-range
so uhh
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zhangxiaobaothat should be easy, it's all /8? [20:44]
mercutioyeah hangon
http://pastebin.com/D3Ey4fJy
try that
but change 192.168.1.1 to your gateway
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zhangxiaobaoi'm not trying now
only have ssh access to my router
will do when i get back
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mercutiook
it may still go via US to some universitys etc
at least here some universities have legacy pre-apnic address space
but it should fix most stuff
even just 202.0.0.0/8 and 203.0.0.0/8 would probably fix qutie a lot
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