[04:29] *** jpalmer has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2) [04:30] *** jpalmer has joined #arpnetworks [04:31] *** jpalmer is now known as Guest2675 [05:54] *** Guest2675 is now known as jpalmer [05:55] *** jpalmer has quit IRC (Changing host) [05:55] *** jpalmer has joined #arpnetworks [06:04] *** jpalmer has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2) [06:05] *** jpalmer has joined #arpnetworks [06:05] *** jpalmer has quit IRC (Changing host) [06:05] *** jpalmer has joined #arpnetworks [06:05] *** jpalmer has quit IRC (Client Quit) [06:07] *** jpalmer has joined #arpnetworks [07:10] jpalmer is checking out the revolving door [11:59] lol RandalSchwartz [11:59] nah, I was updating my irc client, and related configs. [14:08] at the expense of 24KB of my bandwidth [14:08] as if it grows on [spanning] trees [17:25] STP itself will consume far more bandwidth than a few joins ;P [19:40] phlux: omg your merry christmas banner was awesome [19:52] NTT: "Failing piece of hardware appears to have failed" [19:52] well, yeah... [19:52] that RFO was funny [20:33] lol [23:30] AT&T just wasted 30 minutes of my life [23:30] new router: ICMP works, SSH does not [23:30] what [23:30] why? [23:30] after 30 minutes of restarting and stuff, I try to telnet to my server port 80 [23:30] and find that instead of rejecting PPPoE auth they put you in a captive portal [23:30] and leave ICMP working for good measure [23:30] oh [23:31] i hate captive portals :) [23:31] apparently my middle initial is not in my username [23:31] i hate "free" wifi that expects you to do complicated portal stuff to work [23:31] they really should ditch usernames [23:31] honestly having access to the wire is enough for DSL [23:32] and just do port auth, makes things simpler [23:32] pppoe is fine, it may work in with their systems beter. [23:32] better [23:32] yeah I'm not sure that you can do auth-less PPPoE [23:32] you can [23:32] it's common here. [23:32] but often you need something, anything as a username. [23:33] maybe it's billing. the part that knows which wire goes to which house just isn't connected [23:33] it complicates things unncessarily. [23:33] what happens if you sell your modem to another at&T user who plugs it in and starts using your username? [23:34] they could've just rejected auth instead of accepting and allowing the basic network test (ping) [23:34] you erase your username before you sell your modem? [23:34] I guess that's expecting too much [23:34] that kind of thing is common, with at least dns working [23:34] yeah it's expecting too much [23:34] I guess expecting anything other than plug in open a web browser is too much [23:34] which is why it took me 30 minutes to find a captive portal [23:34] basically they can tag you, and know who's account it is [23:35] some people use usernames for static ip's, and dynamic for the rest. [23:35] heh [23:35] but they could do that knowing which wire the connection comes in on? perhaps that equipment doesn't talk to the parts that need to know who is who [23:36] yeah they should know what dslam port you're provisioned on at exchange [23:37] they should even know what wire you're connected to on the cable bundles down the street. [23:38] "should know" AT&T's guys were still claiming our phone troubles were our side when we could hear literal crosstalk [23:38] i hate crosstalk. [23:38] it's often that things aren't protected from weather properly. [23:38] and are getting wet. [23:38] That's what she said!! [23:39] but we couldn't talk to them; it was one way. does that still fit? I could see a short putting the wires together, but if it's one way that doesn't make sense? [23:39] one way is common [23:39] I don't know much about what goes on on the phone side of things [23:39] yeah i dunno how it works tbh [23:39] but i've had the same thing happen to me before. [23:40] and it's always happened more after it rains. [23:40] sometimes a couple days after it rains too though [23:40] often you get no dialtone soon afterwards though [23:41] anyway, dsl is pretty resilient. [23:41] even with crosstalk etc your net is probably quite usable. [23:41] so if you want to get it fixed here at least you have to log it as a phone problem not an internet problem. [23:51] yeah we never even really saw trouble on the DSL side [23:53] it can kill your sync rate by like 10% [23:53] and if it's bad it can cause disconnections sometimes. [23:54] i used to have a dodgy line that'd disconnect about 3 to 5 times a week. [23:54] good luck trying to get that fixed :) [23:54] here they don't want to fix problems unless it happens like 7 times a day [23:54] yeah they won't listen if it's working "now" [23:55] and sometimes their definition of working is different from mine [23:55] it was only unstable when they put a new dslam in closer [23:55] but i've had that problem before too. net is fine, new dslam closer, sync rate much faster but unstable. [23:57] *** mike-bur1 has joined #arpnetworks [23:57] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mike-bur1 [23:58] one of them was the dslam didn't like ar7 chipset modems... and ar7 chipset is the only one supported by openwrt. [23:59] *** jcv_ has joined #arpnetworks