#arpnetworks 2014-12-28,Sun

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RandalSchwartzjpalmer is checking out the revolving door [07:10]
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jpalmerlol RandalSchwartz
nah, I was updating my irc client, and related configs.
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mus1cboxat the expense of 24KB of my bandwidth
as if it grows on [spanning] trees
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brycecSTP itself will consume far more bandwidth than a few joins ;P [17:25]
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up_the_ironsphlux: omg your merry christmas banner was awesome [19:40]
NTT: "Failing piece of hardware appears to have failed"
well, yeah...
that RFO was funny
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staticsafelol [20:33]
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mkbAT&T just wasted 30 minutes of my life
new router: ICMP works, SSH does not
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mercutiowhat
why?
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mkbafter 30 minutes of restarting and stuff, I try to telnet to my server port 80
and find that instead of rejecting PPPoE auth they put you in a captive portal
and leave ICMP working for good measure
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mercutiooh
i hate captive portals :)
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mkbapparently my middle initial is not in my username [23:31]
mercutioi hate "free" wifi that expects you to do complicated portal stuff to work
they really should ditch usernames
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mkbhonestly having access to the wire is enough for DSL [23:31]
mercutioand just do port auth, makes things simpler
pppoe is fine, it may work in with their systems beter.
better
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mkbyeah I'm not sure that you can do auth-less PPPoE [23:32]
mercutioyou can
it's common here.
but often you need something, anything as a username.
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mkbmaybe it's billing. the part that knows which wire goes to which house just isn't connected [23:33]
mercutioit complicates things unncessarily.
what happens if you sell your modem to another at&T user who plugs it in and starts using your username?
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mkbthey could've just rejected auth instead of accepting and allowing the basic network test (ping)
you erase your username before you sell your modem?
I guess that's expecting too much
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mercutiothat kind of thing is common, with at least dns working
yeah it's expecting too much
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mkbI guess expecting anything other than plug in open a web browser is too much
which is why it took me 30 minutes to find a captive portal
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mercutiobasically they can tag you, and know who's account it is
some people use usernames for static ip's, and dynamic for the rest.
heh
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mkbbut they could do that knowing which wire the connection comes in on? perhaps that equipment doesn't talk to the parts that need to know who is who [23:35]
mercutioyeah they should know what dslam port you're provisioned on at exchange
they should even know what wire you're connected to on the cable bundles down the street.
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mkb"should know" AT&T's guys were still claiming our phone troubles were our side when we could hear literal crosstalk [23:38]
mercutioi hate crosstalk.
it's often that things aren't protected from weather properly.
and are getting wet.
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BryceBotThat's what she said!! [23:38]
mkbbut we couldn't talk to them; it was one way. does that still fit? I could see a short putting the wires together, but if it's one way that doesn't make sense? [23:39]
mercutioone way is common [23:39]
mkbI don't know much about what goes on on the phone side of things [23:39]
mercutioyeah i dunno how it works tbh
but i've had the same thing happen to me before.
and it's always happened more after it rains.
sometimes a couple days after it rains too though
often you get no dialtone soon afterwards though
anyway, dsl is pretty resilient.
even with crosstalk etc your net is probably quite usable.
so if you want to get it fixed here at least you have to log it as a phone problem not an internet problem.
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mkbyeah we never even really saw trouble on the DSL side [23:51]
mercutioit can kill your sync rate by like 10%
and if it's bad it can cause disconnections sometimes.
i used to have a dodgy line that'd disconnect about 3 to 5 times a week.
good luck trying to get that fixed :)
here they don't want to fix problems unless it happens like 7 times a day
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mkbyeah they won't listen if it's working "now"
and sometimes their definition of working is different from mine
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mercutioit was only unstable when they put a new dslam in closer
but i've had that problem before too. net is fine, new dslam closer, sync rate much faster but unstable.
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mercutioone of them was the dslam didn't like ar7 chipset modems... and ar7 chipset is the only one supported by openwrt. [23:58]
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