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| plett | mercutio: I upgraded one of my Debian VMs to Jessie last night and got systemd. It's my first time using it, and it seems fine so far
The first thing I noticed about it is that just setting "console=ttyS0" in the grub boot loader is enough for it to do everything right and start a getty on that tty, which saved me having to do it | [03:00] |
| mercutio | plett: does "systemd-analyze blame" work ?
it doesn't in ubuntu, as ubuntu has only started shifting to it slowly. that's pretty cool about the console thing (i have ubuntu vivid on some systems, the in development ubuntu) | [03:02] |
| plett | I had no idea that command even existed, I'll find out :)
mercutio: Yes, it appears to work. The two slowest things on my system are; 2.252s networking.service 1.094s exim4.service | [03:03] |
| mercutio | coo.
cool even yeah i like that | [03:05] |
| plett | But speeding up boot times has never been that important to me, I hardly ever find myself needing to wait while watching a machine boot | [03:06] |
| mercutio | it's good when something takes a really long time but yeah it doesn't usually matter for low times.
i wish servers wouldn't boot through their bios so slow oh there's a way to show how much is bios and user space etc oh just remove blame Startup finished in 2.173s (firmware) + 5.558s (loader) + 1.947s (kernel) + 12.413s (userspace) = 22.092s Startup finished in 3.435s (firmware) + 5.339s (loader) + 2.986s (kernel) + 11.376s (userspace) = 23.138s first is hard-disk system, second is ssd system the hard-disk system is winning hah | [03:07] |
| plett | Startup finished in 1.449s (kernel) + 7.186s (userspace) = 8.635s | [03:08] |
| mercutio | my network starts slow for some reaosn | [03:08] |
| plett | DHCP? That's the usual reason | [03:09] |
| mercutio | i wonder why it doesn't show your bios.
no dhcp infiniband + ethernet it waits for link state. but it's not slow enough to bug me. i use static ip's | [03:09] |
| plett | Mine is a KVM guest, maybe it needs some hardware counter to measure bios and loader times which mine doesn't have
Or maybe Debian haven't built that yet :) | [03:10] |
| mercutio | oh this is hardware | [03:11] |
| plett | I've got a couple of old Asus Eee netbooks, I was going to try Debian Jessie on one of those too | [03:12] |
| mercutio | i haven't got any arch linux vm's atm | [03:12] |
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| mike-burns | Jessie has systemd now. Just a headsup.
Oh that's how this conversation started. | [04:11] |
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| up_the_irons | ugh, systemd | [04:51] |
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| mike-burns | It's a good excuse to move more things to BSD.
Though, of course, the Ubuntu base underneath all of us has been solid. | [05:16] |
| up_the_irons | yeah | [05:19] |
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| m0unds | huh, systemd-analyze is handy | [08:19] |
| mike-burns | It's just going to say the networking script is the slowest, every time. | [08:30] |
| m0unds | mine's showing POS networkmanager by 150-200ms | [08:34] |
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| brycec | Anybody else seeing some poor ipv6 HE-Level3 connectivity? Was trying to download updates and every mirror my system tried was capping at 400KB/s or so. (and since it tries ipv6 first...)
(I haven't done any sort of thorough investigation yet, just a couple of mtr's.) | [08:58] |
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| Seems like it may just be me. From another location's HE tunnel, same POP, 99% identical route, it's fine. There's one L3 host in the path that differs, but I don't have a 3rd HE tunnel to rule that out.
(If anyone cares, mtr http://sprunge.us/TTPR) | [09:51] | |
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| mercutio | brycec: that's tunnelling?
it's probably just the tunnel | [10:36] |
| brycec | How so? | [10:36] |
| mercutio | like he.net tunnel? | [10:36] |
| brycec | Yes | [10:36] |
| mercutio | from level 3
the tunnel server may be getting abused or something | [10:36] |
| brycec | Except I have two tunnels on that same POP (tunnel server) | [10:37] |
| mercutio | maybe load balanced | [10:37] |
| brycec | They're not | [10:37] |
| mercutio | hmm | [10:38] |
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| that mtr doesn't show loss
but only 10 pings | [10:55] | |
| brycec | That mtr was just a -r (report) | [10:55] |
| mercutio | --report-cycles=500 ?
will do 500 pings | [10:56] |
| brycec | Doubtful that it would provide anything useful. The issue is persistent, I should see constant packet loss, no need for a wide window. | [10:57] |
| mercutio | even 0.5% packet loss can show as 400k/sec download speeds. | [10:57] |
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| mercutio | appareltny openbsd has some bug with virtio devices in 5.5 and 5.6
mercutio hasn't hit any issues | [12:38] |
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| brycec | (except with spelling ;P) | [13:33] |
| mercutio | heh
it's more the typing :) | [13:35] |
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| mercutio | up_the_irons: at least openbsd 5.6 has wrong timestamps on mirrors.arpnetworks.com
content looks to be the same, it's just confusing. says 7th of august when it came out 1st november | [15:07] |
| BryceBot | That's what she said!! | [15:08] |
| mercutio | oh wow ftp5 says the same thing
maybe it's openbsd's fault :) other servers seem to update the parent directory time at least. | [15:08] |
| brycec | Twist: ftp5 mirrors from ARP! (j/k) | [15:24] |
| mercutio | heh
they really shoudl touch the dates even if they press cd's from older files http://www.rhaalovely.net/up2date.html this is kind of cool | [15:25] |
| BryceBot | That's what she said!! | [15:26] |
| brycec | lol @ the timezones | [15:26] |
| mercutio | the timezone thing is annoying | [15:26] |
| brycec | brycec blames the Dutch | [15:26] |
| mercutio | i've hit really really outdated mirrors before | [15:26] |
| brycec | @openbsd amd64 | [15:26] |
| BryceBot | amd64 -> snapshots: Wed Dec 10 2014 11:59:55 GMT-0800 (PST), packages: Sat Dec 06 2014 04:43:44 GMT-0800 (PST) | [15:26] |
| brycec | ^ Pulls from ftp.openbsd.org | [15:26] |
| mercutio | like a year plus :) | [15:26] |
| brycec | (well, periodically polls. The pull is not "live") | [15:27] |
| mercutio | i'm using snapshot on arp
i just updated it | [15:27] |
| brycec | BryceBot announces new OpenBSD snapshots for another IRC channel. | [15:27] |
| mercutio | but i was also updating another box to 5.6
it seems faster i think ssh or tcp or something must have changed cos it's like a slow old server, adn it seems faster than faster servers | [15:27] |
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| i think it's openssh | [15:49] | |
| brycec | Perhaps it's defaulting to faster ciphers | [15:50] |
| mkb | mercutio, I've had my networking fail and say buffer full or something like that whenever I try to write out on a socket
I guess that's not a hang like the errata says though | [15:51] |
| mercutio | brycec: yeh i think so, it's faster with ssh than dropbear to connect now
mkb: sounds nasty. | [15:52] |
| BryceBot | That's what she said!! | [15:52] |
| mercutio | at least they informed about it
openbsd really needs binary updates. err would be good with they're classing themselves as a research OS now | [15:52] |
| brycec | mtier.org for binary updates
Specifically http://www.mtier.org/solutions/apps/openup/ | [15:57] |
| mercutio | i did not know about that | [16:03] |
| brycec | And now you do, hooray! | [16:04] |
| mercutio | thanks brycec | [16:04] |
| brycec | np | [16:04] |
| mercutio | was it on undeadly? | [16:04] |
| brycec | I have no idea | [16:04] |
| mercutio | i read undeadly a bit and occassionally check out the mailing list.
mailing list has so much volume though | [16:04] |
| mkb | mtier the company has definitely been featured | [16:04] |
| brycec | I know about it from fellow OpenBSD sysadmins and developers | [16:04] |
| mercutio | ahh
it doesn't like me having http_proxy set https_proxy isn't set | [16:05] |
| mkb | http://www.undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20110420080633 | [16:05] |
| mercutio | oh that was ages ago hah
undeadly's search is broken it seems you used google? | [16:05] |
| mkb | yes | [16:06] |
| mercutio | http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20130509120042
it was mentioned more recently | [16:06] |
| mkb | that's them using it as a desktop (complete with screenshots) | [16:06] |
| mercutio | i used openbsd on desktop for a while
it worked pertty well it was a while ago when video drivers were more open source friendly | [16:08] |
| mkb | I still do
we have KMS now, at least if it's not nvidia | [16:08] |
| mercutio | i haven't tried openbsd on desktop in a while
maybe i should linux's open source radeon support is really bugging me. i can't expect openbsd to be any better, but intel onboard was much better :) | [16:09] |
| mkb | firefox is slow
I don't know if that's OpenBSD, my computer, or Firefox... | [16:10] |
| mercutio | i've never seen firefox be particularly fast.
i've seen it scrolling at various speeds, but seems to have random pauses i was using opera on openbsd the freebsd version i don't think that even exists anymore | [16:10] |
| mkb | Iwant Firefox because I'm able to give it all the right settings w.r.t. cookies and such. | [16:11] |
| mercutio | ahh i've never worried about that | [16:12] |
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| m0unds | mercutio: new opera is just chromium + opera features now | [18:06] |
| mercutio | i think they dropped freebsd though? | [18:07] |
| m0unds | probably | [18:07] |
| mercutio | and it's still closed source isn't it? | [18:07] |
| m0unds | yep, that doesn't bother me in the slightest
i liked it years ago when they were the first to do a lot of stuff, ahead of other browsers lots of cool functionality | [18:07] |
| mercutio | yeah
i liked it except it kept crashing a lot but it would show the pages before the crash when you resarted it so i kind of just put up with it :) | [18:10] |
| BryceBot | That's what she said!! | [18:11] |
| DaCa | mkb, m0unds: have you tried xombrero? | [18:12] |
| mkb | I have
what I like is Firefox's profiles I have one that I normally use that has cookies, javascript, etc. off and another that I use if I need to that has it all on, but has remove on close set to true | [18:25] |
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| mnathani | where does one generally store ISO images for use with xen VMs?
I think I found: /var/lib/libvirt/images | [19:50] |
| mercutio | i would use /iso
or /xeniso to my mind it's easier just having top level paths | [19:53] |
| mnathani | I get the following error: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/a0f1e4e78dab4ac64d65 | [19:57] |
| BryceBot | Gist: "https://gist.github.com/a0f1e4e78dab4ac64d65" | [19:57] |
| mnathani | my first time creating a Xen VM | [19:57] |
| mercutio | eww libvirt | [19:57] |
| mnathani | using virt-manager remotely from a CentOs 7 VM
host is Ubuntu | [19:58] |
| mercutio | yeah i just xl
it sounds like a key issue try sshing in with the key and adding it to the file first? maybe it's prompting or osmething | [19:58] |
| mnathani | would it make sense to install a gui on the host and create the VM locally? | [20:00] |
| mercutio | xl isn't that hard
and doesn't require gui | [20:03] |
| mnathani | looking into that now | [20:05] |
| mercutio | libvirt i find harder to read | [20:05] |
| BryceBot | That's what she said!! | [20:05] |
| mnathani | BryceBot: no | [20:05] |
| BryceBot | Oh, okay... I'm sorry. 'libvirt i find harder to read' | [20:05] |
| mercutio | but can work with kvm and xen
http://xen.1045712.n5.nabble.com/xen-unstable-xl-add-some-example-configuration-files-td4956691.html | [20:05] |
| mnathani | how do you view the actualdisplay? | [20:06] |
| mercutio | i was finding it hard to find examples
i just use normal console you can type xl console and it does a serial type console like xl console virtualmachinename | [20:06] |
| mnathani | what if the guest has a gui? | [20:06] |
| mercutio | you can esacpe it with ctrl-]
oh gui? i only do unix :) on virtual machines. | [20:06] |
| mnathani | like a windows VM for example | [20:06] |
| mercutio | you can set it up with vnc
you do vnc=1 and you can tell it a port number you can also do sdl=1 for local stuff there'll be something for that new fancy one too, but generally speaking i've just used vnc then used remote desktop once it's there you can then either run vncviewer with remote X forwarding, or tunnel a port via ssh or listen on a private network | [20:07] |
| mnathani | this seems a bit complex for me | [20:20] |
| mercutio | what part? | [20:21] |
| mnathani | I like click - click gui configs | [20:21] |
| mercutio | windows? :) | [20:21] |
| mnathani | like virt-manager
and vmware esxi | [20:21] |
| mercutio | virtualbox is good for desktop usage like that
ok well your virt-manager thing is probably about the ssh key thing you can probably ssh forward X virt-manager from a remote server and run it locally or you can figure out why ssh is showing that stuff and fix it so ssh'ing in manually should let you do the accept on the key | [20:21] |
| mnathani | does virt-manager have to be installed on the host even though I am using it remotely over ssh
I am actually running virt-manager on has it installed and is connecting to the host via ssh | [20:24] |
| mercutio | yeah i know
that's why i said you have to ssh in manually it's showing a ssh generic thing which suggests you haven't accepted the remote key as the user virt-manager ssh's in as so it's added to host keys or whatever | [20:26] |
| mnathani | ssh did not prompt to accept a key
not sure what user the virt-manager is using the ssh should just be root | [20:38] |
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| mercutio | just see what ps says? | [21:12] |
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