mercutio: yeh i checked it out again before up_the_irons: mercutio: nice uptime, what does that server do?
i still have you beat though BryceBot: That's what she said!! up_the_irons: $ ssh kvr06 uptime
23:16:57 up 1777 days, 21:10, 1 user, load average: 1.71, 1.76, 1.95
$ mercutio: up_the_irons: routing. up_the_irons: ah mercutio: so yeh no real reason to stay current
i reckon news could have a nicer colour scheme
the grey on white is a bit ick to read up_the_irons: damn
i actually thought that scheme was good mercutio: it may depend on monitor up_the_irons: hmm.. it doesn't look grey on white to me mercutio: hangon i'll try on the other monitor
it looks diff on the other monitor
easier to read, but it still is not enough contrast diff really up_the_irons: guess i need to work on that mercutio: could add some blue to it
http://webdesign.tutsplus.com/articles/an-introduction-to-color-theory-for-web-designers--webdesign-1437
hmm
blue for urls seems pretty common
i'm not sure why some of the items are sort of greyed out
http://202.49.71.24:24/arpnews.png
that's what it looks like to me
i dunno if it looks diff in diff browers.
browsers up_the_irons: mercutio: i believe the greyed out ones are the ones you've already clicked on mercutio: ahh
yeah looks to be that way
i'd prefer it if background colour changed instead ***: Seji has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
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jpalmer has joined #arpnetworks mercutio: hmm ubuntu is doing something with docker called snappy ubuntu core
with hosting by azure mike-burns: What a fun time for them. mercutio: seems to be a strong surge in interest of docker type solutions recently ***: Seji has quit IRC (Write error: Connection reset by peer)
Seji has joined #arpnetworks mercutio: how nice not to run bind staticsafe: im dependent on BIND's DNSSEC maintenance abilities
(also, I like the config format) mercutio: you saw about the new vulnerability? staticsafe: yes mercutio: cool staticsafe: servers are already patched mercutio: bind 9 was meant to fix security i thought
actually the X security stuff is pretty bad staticsafe: you can't completely fix security in a code base as big as BIND
(and as old) mercutio: remove features!
bind9 is rewite i tahink
rewrite
at least lots of refactoring staticsafe: mercutio: yeah
BIND 9 is 14 years old at this point plett: ISC tried starting over with BIND10, that didn't go well staticsafe: yea, they abandoned the project mercutio: oh is it 10 they were doing that with
i used bind4 for a while staticsafe: 10 is a complete rewrite as well plett: Oh yeah, I remember 4. 8 was a massive improvement staticsafe: anyways I'm relatively new to the world of hosting DNS, so BIND's notoriety is just a bunch of old tales to me :P plett: Despite 8 still being awful :) staticsafe: though I could technically use other software like NSD for my slaves (the DNSSEC functionality only needs to be on the master) but I like consistency mnathani: do folks in here think systemd is evil (like some other fine folks over at the NANOG mailing lists) jbergstroem: mnathani: not sure what's most troll -- bringing it up or replying :) mnathani: I guess I am trying to determine if the argument has merit jbergstroem: mnathani: irc is not the place for that mercutio: i slightly like systemd mnathani
but it's like one of those dirty pleasures, like liking object orientation.
complexity rises, but it can simplify things.
jbergstroem: i think it's anything goes in here for the most part. there's heaps of off topic conversation, and it makes people look friendly when they say stuff for anyone random coming in.
rather than it's just a barren wasteland. jbergstroem: mercutio: didn't really mean anything with it other than some slight sarcasm. having a objective discussion on irc is not something you come by often :) mercutio: he asked a subjective question though.
objective discussions don't really work in computer science and any derivitive of such.
objectively computers are just lots of transistors.
the assumed context on here would be for servers, and .. systemd means some upset, as software packages have to include yet another method to do stuff. it's not that difficult to setup for packages themself, ... but the systemd architecture as a whole is usually what's criticised.
it's that it's starting to include more and more extensions, and create another operating system metaphore of kinds for running containers at the last on it's own.
the idea of containers seems to be quite popular at the moment.
and some things like having an inbuilt dhcp server - if you want to have hundreds and hundreds of servers and can minimise external dependencies, latency etc, it opens up the possibility of starting vm's on demand to run specific programs.
but because it includes such functionality, people get upset that there is micro implementations of various things that can be replaced with other things, because the scope shouldn't include it because sysvinit didn't include anything like that. BryceBot: get on up
and DANCE -: BryceBot dances :D-<
BryceBot dances :D|-<
BryceBot dances :D/-< ***: dj_goku has joined #arpnetworks mercutio: hmm systemd just added pppoe support jbergstroem: among other things
mercutio: in preparation for not depending on pppd for next release acf_: > 19:58 < mercutio> hmm systemd just added pppoe support
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