[01:21] *** joepie91 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) [01:26] *** joepie91 has joined #arpnetworks [08:14] *** notion_ has joined #arpnetworks [08:16] Fastmail. [08:16] *** KDE_Perr1 has joined #arpnetworks [08:16] *** CaZe_ has joined #arpnetworks [08:17] *** Hien_ has joined #arpnetworks [08:19] *** phlux1 has joined #arpnetworks [08:19] *** notion has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [08:19] *** phlux has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [08:19] *** CaZe has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [08:19] *** Hien has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [08:19] *** KDE_Perry has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [08:19] *** CaZe_ is now known as CaZe [08:24] *** toddf has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [08:28] *** toddf has joined #arpnetworks [08:28] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o toddf [09:10] *** NiTeMaRe has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [09:33] *** NiTeMaRe has joined #arpnetworks [09:49] zoho is the only one i know of who lets you bring your own domain and doesn't charge [10:57] how do they make moeny? [10:58] from people paying them? [10:58] they don't allow unlimited users or storage or anything on free plans [10:58] it's like 5 users w/max 5gb of storage each or something [10:58] no domain aliases, etc [10:59] they also have a full suite of CRM webapps and whatnot [11:00] They were the big "online Office suite" before Google usurped that title [11:00] (and eventually MSFT released their own) [11:02] they also had dedicated support before google decided that maybe they should have support available for all customers [11:02] since gapps' support was a bad joke til about a year ago [11:02] call a number that routes to a support office in ireland and leave a message and they'll call you during business hours [11:11] gah, this totalterminal update sucks [11:12] i thought google didn't really have support and just had some kind of forum [11:12] they do now [11:12] *** toeshred has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [11:13] might not if you're on the discontinued free product, but there's an 800# for paying customers [11:13] they have forums, an 800# (local and international) and email ticketing [11:19] Can confirm, for paying customers they have had full support for awhile [11:19] phone, email [11:19] that's better at least [11:38] *** toeshred has joined #arpnetworks [11:41] *** mkb has joined #arpnetworks [11:58] *** m0unds has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) [11:58] *** m0unds has joined #arpnetworks [12:11] yay, freenode [12:16] which server died? [12:17] sendak i think [12:17] yeah, i was on sendak since 11/15 [12:18] now i'm on rajaniemi [12:30] *** sga0_ has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [12:30] *** sga0_ has joined #arpnetworks [12:35] *** sga0_ has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [12:39] *** sga0 has joined #arpnetworks [15:25] http://techreport.com/review/27436/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-two-freaking-petabytes [16:07] up_the_irons: would you guys be willing to "donate" / "sponsor" a OpenBSD build vm for io.js ? [16:14] qbit: probably best to email that question instead [16:15] Or up_the_irons will have to prefix his response with OFF: lest the logger publish his response. [16:15] Next thing you know, ARP will be full of people begging for a server, not unlike a certain shell provider... [16:16] omg, can i have a shell? [16:16] That's what she said!! [16:16] lol [16:16] qbit: You totally can have a shell! I've set it up on 206.125.173.186 [16:17] ha [16:17] i think you cheated a little. [16:18] how much resources would you need for a build vm? [16:18] You have a shell there, right? Then I did what I said. [16:19] staticsafe: would be part of a CI env [16:19] so likely for every commit on io.js it would build [16:19] I don't know if that is 100% accurate though [16:19] Lots of RAM? Lots of CPU? What kind of resources, bro [16:19] ^ [16:21] all of them? :P [16:22] dual cpu with 4g ram would be super snazzy [16:22] AKA "The American" normally $80/mo [16:23] (or $82/mo, not sure if it's dual-core) [16:23] qbit: do i get our logo somewhere? ;) [16:24] believe so - I will verify [16:24] k [16:24] https://github.com/iojs/build#hardware-sponsors <--- at the very least you will be there [16:26] qbit: my concern is that it is going to take a lot of resources (frequent builds) [16:26] yeah [16:26] valid concern [16:27] OFF What if it were just a discounted VM, sold-to qbit who then donates it to iojs? [16:27] what you really want for stuff like this is high cpu low cpu priority [16:28] qbit: why OpenBSD? to ensure it builds there? [16:28] (because qbit is a huge OpenBSD nerd) [16:28] yep [16:29] to both :P [16:29] i maintain the openbsd port of node (and io.js is going to backport stuff and or become the new node) [16:29] :) [16:29] so i am interested in it working out of the box :D [16:29] gotcha [16:39] it sounds like 2.5 gigabit ethernet is coming out [16:40] o_o [16:40] wut [16:40] weird [16:40] i want 4.1 [16:40] nah it's really senssible [16:40] 10 gigabit is normally 4x2.5 gigabit [16:40] and it can be done for near the same cost/power/etc as gigabit [16:42] oh it's because of 802.11ac partially [16:42] aha [16:42] the new 802.11ac stuff is starting to go over gigabit [16:42] yeah [16:43] but yeah, i'd be fine with 2.5 gigabit ethernet at home probably [16:43] but i didn't like the idea of gigabit whenn i store all my data on network :) [16:43] do you use a NAS at home? [16:44] i use linux as a nas [16:44] i'm just upgrading to faster ssd's [16:44] err bigger [16:45] i am somewhat interested in the Synology NAS products [16:45] they are nice [16:45] i'm using zfs [16:46] synology makes nice stuff [16:46] i like the idea of a fast wireless nas you can hide in some ways [16:47] looks like 5 gigabit may bee coming soon too [16:47] i think 2.5 gigabit is semi here [16:47] https://www.synology.com/en-uk/products/DS414j [16:47] like the newest ethernet chipsets support it but don't necessarily enable it [16:48] cos i was reading about i354 supporting it when i wondered what it was [16:49] 80mb/sec write speed seems a bit low? [16:49] staticsafe: that's a good model - a friend of mine uses one of those for local photographic backups [16:50] why don't they just stick an i3 in or something [16:50] because price + power consumption [16:50] it does look nice though [16:50] their webui is really intuitive too [16:51] i couldn't saturate gigabit with my old atom [16:52] the new Atoms are really nice [16:52] samba seems really cpu hungry, and atoms don't have very good memroy performance etc i suppose [16:52] this was old one [16:52] yeah the new ones look way better [16:52] actually i have one of the newer ones [16:52] i should try it [16:52] staticsafe: nice in what way? [16:52] the desktop one rather than the srever one. the server one is how i found out about 2.5 gigabit ethernet [16:52] up_the_irons: performance/price/power wise [16:52] Avoton seriies [16:53] supermicro sells them too [16:53] staticsafe: ah [16:53] http://www.ebay.com/itm/Supermicro-A1SAM-2750F-O-Intel-Atom-C2750-DDR3-SATA3-V-4GbE-MicroATX-/201047576204?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ecf5e8e8c [16:53] ^ [16:53] LAN: SoC I354 Quad Gigabit Ethernet Controller [16:53] that apparently supports 2.5 gigabit ethrent [16:54] wow it even has ipmi [16:54] up_the_irons: yes ;) [16:54] that's some hot sauce right there [16:54] i wonder what cases you can use for rackmount for multiple boards [16:54] i wonder how much supermicro sells those for with the chassis included [16:55] i don't think ebay is the cheapest place for supermicro [16:55] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101836&cm_re=c2750_barebones-_-16-101-836-_-Product [16:55] http://www.superbiiz.com/ is the vender that was suggested to me [16:55] http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=SY-518ATN4 CHEAP [16:57] that's the worst case eever [16:57] not even hot swappable drives [16:57] http://www.amazon.com/ASRock-Avoton-Rackmount-Barebone-1U12LW-C2750/dp/B00ICZLUQ8 [16:57] Amazon: "ASRock Intel Avoton C2750/DDR3/V&2GbE 1U Rackmount Server Barebone System 1U12LW-C2750" [16:58] i thought this looked expensive at first [16:58] but it has 14 drive bays [16:58] for 3.5" [16:58] now that'd make a nice nas :) [16:59] i don't know how you cass them thouh [16:59] and i think you need an extra sata controller to use all of them [16:59] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101872&cm_re=supermicro_barebones_atom-_-16-101-872-_-Product [17:00] http://www.asrockrack.com/general/productdetail.asp?Model=1U12LW-C2750 [17:00] 4x gigabit and ipmi [17:00] better pictures there [17:00] 4x gigabit in LACP mm [17:01] http://downloadmirror.intel.com/23244/eng/readme.txt [17:02] Support for 2.5Gbps link speed on the Intel(R) Ethernet Connection I354 2.5 GbE Backplane [17:02] link aggregation doesn't usually work so well ;( [17:02] im gonna guess you need Cat6 for 2.5 GbE? [17:02] probably not [17:02] cat 5e is probably fine for short runs [17:03] 2.5 Gigabit per second is feasible on 100m Cat5, Cat5e and Cat6 cable [17:03] so yeah i think cat5e will be fine [17:05] i imagine people will still recommend cat6 [17:05] but they're recommending cat6a now [17:06] and i think there's a cat7