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NiTeMaRe has joined #arpnetworks m0unds: zoho is the only one i know of who lets you bring your own domain and doesn't charge mercutio: how do they make moeny? m0unds: from people paying them?
they don't allow unlimited users or storage or anything on free plans
it's like 5 users w/max 5gb of storage each or something
no domain aliases, etc
they also have a full suite of CRM webapps and whatnot brycec: They were the big "online Office suite" before Google usurped that title
(and eventually MSFT released their own) m0unds: they also had dedicated support before google decided that maybe they should have support available for all customers
since gapps' support was a bad joke til about a year ago
call a number that routes to a support office in ireland and leave a message and they'll call you during business hours
gah, this totalterminal update sucks mercutio: i thought google didn't really have support and just had some kind of forum m0unds: they do now ***: toeshred has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) m0unds: might not if you're on the discontinued free product, but there's an 800# for paying customers
they have forums, an 800# (local and international) and email ticketing brycec: Can confirm, for paying customers they have had full support for awhile
phone, email mercutio: that's better at least ***: toeshred has joined #arpnetworks
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m0unds has joined #arpnetworks m0unds: yay, freenode staticsafe: which server died? m0unds: sendak i think
yeah, i was on sendak since 11/15
now i'm on rajaniemi ***: sga0_ has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
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sga0 has joined #arpnetworks mercutio: http://techreport.com/review/27436/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-two-freaking-petabytes qbit: up_the_irons: would you guys be willing to "donate" / "sponsor" a OpenBSD build vm for io.js ? brycec: qbit: probably best to email that question instead
Or up_the_irons will have to prefix his response with OFF: lest the logger publish his response.
Next thing you know, ARP will be full of people begging for a server, not unlike a certain shell provider... qbit: omg, can i have a shell? BryceBot: That's what she said!! qbit: lol brycec: qbit: You totally can have a shell! I've set it up on 206.125.173.186 qbit: ha
i think you cheated a little. staticsafe: how much resources would you need for a build vm? brycec: You have a shell there, right? Then I did what I said. qbit: staticsafe: would be part of a CI env
so likely for every commit on io.js it would build
I don't know if that is 100% accurate though brycec: Lots of RAM? Lots of CPU? What kind of resources, bro staticsafe: ^ qbit: all of them? :P
dual cpu with 4g ram would be super snazzy brycec: AKA "The American" normally $80/mo
(or $82/mo, not sure if it's dual-core) up_the_irons: qbit: do i get our logo somewhere? ;) qbit: believe so - I will verify up_the_irons: k qbit: https://github.com/iojs/build#hardware-sponsors <--- at the very least you will be there up_the_irons: qbit: my concern is that it is going to take a lot of resources (frequent builds) qbit: yeah
valid concern brycec: OFF What if it were just a discounted VM, sold-to qbit who then donates it to iojs? mercutio: what you really want for stuff like this is high cpu low cpu priority up_the_irons: qbit: why OpenBSD? to ensure it builds there? brycec: (because qbit is a huge OpenBSD nerd) qbit: yep
to both :P
i maintain the openbsd port of node (and io.js is going to backport stuff and or become the new node) up_the_irons: :) qbit: so i am interested in it working out of the box :D up_the_irons: gotcha mercutio: it sounds like 2.5 gigabit ethernet is coming out staticsafe: o_o qbit: wut
weird
i want 4.1 mercutio: nah it's really senssible
10 gigabit is normally 4x2.5 gigabit
and it can be done for near the same cost/power/etc as gigabit
oh it's because of 802.11ac partially staticsafe: aha mercutio: the new 802.11ac stuff is starting to go over gigabit staticsafe: yeah mercutio: but yeah, i'd be fine with 2.5 gigabit ethernet at home probably
but i didn't like the idea of gigabit whenn i store all my data on network :) staticsafe: do you use a NAS at home? mercutio: i use linux as a nas
i'm just upgrading to faster ssd's
err bigger staticsafe: i am somewhat interested in the Synology NAS products qbit: they are nice mercutio: i'm using zfs m0unds: synology makes nice stuff mercutio: i like the idea of a fast wireless nas you can hide in some ways
looks like 5 gigabit may bee coming soon too
i think 2.5 gigabit is semi here staticsafe: https://www.synology.com/en-uk/products/DS414j mercutio: like the newest ethernet chipsets support it but don't necessarily enable it
cos i was reading about i354 supporting it when i wondered what it was
80mb/sec write speed seems a bit low? m0unds: staticsafe: that's a good model - a friend of mine uses one of those for local photographic backups mercutio: why don't they just stick an i3 in or something m0unds: because price + power consumption mercutio: it does look nice though m0unds: their webui is really intuitive too mercutio: i couldn't saturate gigabit with my old atom staticsafe: the new Atoms are really nice mercutio: samba seems really cpu hungry, and atoms don't have very good memroy performance etc i suppose
this was old one
yeah the new ones look way better
actually i have one of the newer ones
i should try it up_the_irons: staticsafe: nice in what way? mercutio: the desktop one rather than the srever one. the server one is how i found out about 2.5 gigabit ethernet staticsafe: up_the_irons: performance/price/power wise
Avoton seriies
supermicro sells them too up_the_irons: staticsafe: ah mercutio: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Supermicro-A1SAM-2750F-O-Intel-Atom-C2750-DDR3-SATA3-V-4GbE-MicroATX-/201047576204?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ecf5e8e8c staticsafe: ^ mercutio: LAN: SoC I354 Quad Gigabit Ethernet Controller
that apparently supports 2.5 gigabit ethrent up_the_irons: wow it even has ipmi mercutio: up_the_irons: yes ;) up_the_irons: that's some hot sauce right there mercutio: i wonder what cases you can use for rackmount for multiple boards staticsafe: i wonder how much supermicro sells those for with the chassis included mercutio: i don't think ebay is the cheapest place for supermicro m0unds: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101836&cm_re=c2750_barebones-_-16-101-836-_-Product staticsafe: http://www.superbiiz.com/ is the vender that was suggested to me
http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=SY-518ATN4 CHEAP mercutio: that's the worst case eever
not even hot swappable drives
http://www.amazon.com/ASRock-Avoton-Rackmount-Barebone-1U12LW-C2750/dp/B00ICZLUQ8 BryceBot: Amazon: "ASRock Intel Avoton C2750/DDR3/V&2GbE 1U Rackmount Server Barebone System 1U12LW-C2750" mercutio: i thought this looked expensive at first
but it has 14 drive bays
for 3.5"
now that'd make a nice nas :)
i don't know how you cass them thouh
and i think you need an extra sata controller to use all of them up_the_irons: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101872&cm_re=supermicro_barebones_atom-_-16-101-872-_-Product mercutio: http://www.asrockrack.com/general/productdetail.asp?Model=1U12LW-C2750 up_the_irons: 4x gigabit and ipmi mercutio: better pictures there staticsafe: 4x gigabit in LACP mm mercutio: http://downloadmirror.intel.com/23244/eng/readme.txt
Support for 2.5Gbps link speed on the Intel(R) Ethernet Connection I354 2.5 GbE Backplane
link aggregation doesn't usually work so well ;( staticsafe: im gonna guess you need Cat6 for 2.5 GbE? mercutio: probably not
cat 5e is probably fine for short runs
2.5 Gigabit per second is feasible on 100m Cat5, Cat5e and Cat6 cable
so yeah i think cat5e will be fine
i imagine people will still recommend cat6
but they're recommending cat6a now
and i think there's a cat7