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[08:16] <mike-burns> Fastmail.
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[09:49] <m0unds> zoho is the only one i know of who lets you bring your own domain and doesn't charge
[10:57] <mercutio> how do they make moeny?
[10:58] <m0unds> from people paying them?
[10:58] <m0unds> they don't allow unlimited users or storage or anything on free plans
[10:58] <m0unds> it's like 5 users w/max 5gb of storage each or something
[10:58] <m0unds> no domain aliases, etc
[10:59] <m0unds> they also have a full suite of CRM webapps and whatnot
[11:00] <brycec> They were the big "online Office suite" before Google usurped that title
[11:00] <brycec> (and eventually MSFT released their own)
[11:02] <m0unds> they also had dedicated support before google decided that maybe they should have support available for all customers
[11:02] <m0unds> since gapps' support was a bad joke til about a year ago
[11:02] <m0unds> call a number that routes to a support office in ireland and leave a message and they'll call you during business hours
[11:11] <m0unds> gah, this totalterminal update sucks
[11:12] <mercutio> i thought google didn't really have support and just had some kind of forum
[11:12] <m0unds> they do now
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[11:13] <m0unds> might not if you're on the discontinued free product, but there's an 800# for paying customers
[11:13] <m0unds> they have forums, an 800# (local and international) and email ticketing
[11:19] <brycec> Can confirm, for paying customers they have had full support for awhile
[11:19] <brycec> phone, email
[11:19] <mercutio> that's better at least
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[12:11] <m0unds> yay, freenode
[12:16] <staticsafe> which server died?
[12:17] <m0unds> sendak i think
[12:17] <m0unds> yeah, i was on sendak since 11/15
[12:18] <m0unds> now i'm on rajaniemi
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[15:25] <mercutio> http://techreport.com/review/27436/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-two-freaking-petabytes
[16:07] <qbit> up_the_irons: would you guys be willing to "donate" / "sponsor" a OpenBSD build vm for io.js ?
[16:14] <brycec> qbit: probably best to email that question instead
[16:15] <brycec> Or up_the_irons will have to prefix his response with OFF: lest the logger publish his response.
[16:15] <brycec> Next thing you know, ARP will be full of people begging for a server, not unlike a certain shell provider...
[16:16] <qbit> omg, can i have a shell?
[16:16] <BryceBot> That's what she said!!
[16:16] <qbit> lol
[16:16] <brycec> qbit: You totally can have a shell! I've set it up on 206.125.173.186
[16:17] <qbit> ha
[16:17] <qbit> i think you cheated a little.
[16:18] <staticsafe> how much resources would you need for a build vm?
[16:18] <brycec> You have a shell there, right? Then I did what I said.
[16:19] <qbit> staticsafe: would be part of a CI env
[16:19] <qbit> so likely for every commit on io.js it would build
[16:19] <qbit> I don't know if that is 100% accurate though
[16:19] <brycec> Lots of RAM? Lots of CPU? What kind of resources, bro
[16:19] <staticsafe> ^
[16:21] <qbit> all of them? :P
[16:22] <qbit> dual cpu with 4g ram would be super snazzy
[16:22] <brycec> AKA "The American" normally $80/mo
[16:23] <brycec> (or $82/mo, not sure if it's dual-core)
[16:23] <up_the_irons> qbit: do i get our logo somewhere? ;)
[16:24] <qbit> believe so - I will verify
[16:24] <up_the_irons> k
[16:24] <qbit> https://github.com/iojs/build#hardware-sponsors <--- at the very least you will be there
[16:26] <up_the_irons> qbit: my concern is that it is going to take a lot of resources (frequent builds)
[16:26] <qbit> yeah
[16:26] <qbit> valid concern
[16:27] <brycec> OFF What if it were just a discounted VM, sold-to qbit who then donates it to iojs?
[16:27] <mercutio> what you really want for stuff like this is high cpu low cpu priority
[16:28] <up_the_irons> qbit: why OpenBSD?  to ensure it builds there?
[16:28] <brycec> (because qbit is a huge OpenBSD nerd)
[16:28] <qbit> yep
[16:29] <qbit> to both :P
[16:29] <qbit> i maintain the openbsd port of node (and io.js is going to backport stuff and or become the new node)
[16:29] <up_the_irons> :)
[16:29] <qbit> so i am interested in it working out of the box :D
[16:29] <up_the_irons> gotcha
[16:39] <mercutio> it sounds like 2.5 gigabit ethernet is coming out
[16:40] <staticsafe> o_o
[16:40] <qbit> wut
[16:40] <qbit> weird
[16:40] <qbit> i want 4.1
[16:40] <mercutio> nah it's really senssible
[16:40] <mercutio> 10 gigabit is normally 4x2.5 gigabit
[16:40] <mercutio> and it can be done for near the same cost/power/etc as gigabit
[16:42] <mercutio> oh it's because of 802.11ac partially
[16:42] <staticsafe> aha
[16:42] <mercutio> the new 802.11ac stuff is starting to go over gigabit
[16:42] <staticsafe> yeah
[16:43] <mercutio> but yeah, i'd be fine with 2.5 gigabit ethernet at home probably
[16:43] <mercutio> but i didn't like the idea of gigabit whenn i store all my data on network :)
[16:43] <staticsafe> do you use a NAS at home?
[16:44] <mercutio> i use linux as a nas
[16:44] <mercutio> i'm just upgrading to faster ssd's
[16:44] <mercutio> err bigger
[16:45] <staticsafe> i am somewhat interested in the Synology NAS products
[16:45] <qbit> they are nice
[16:45] <mercutio> i'm using zfs
[16:46] <m0unds> synology makes nice stuff
[16:46] <mercutio> i like the idea of a fast wireless nas you can hide in some ways
[16:47] <mercutio> looks like  5 gigabit may bee coming soon too
[16:47] <mercutio> i think 2.5 gigabit is semi here
[16:47] <staticsafe> https://www.synology.com/en-uk/products/DS414j
[16:47] <mercutio> like the newest ethernet chipsets support it but don't necessarily enable it
[16:48] <mercutio> cos i was reading about i354 supporting it when i wondered what it was
[16:49] <mercutio> 80mb/sec write speed seems a bit low?
[16:49] <m0unds> staticsafe: that's a good model  - a friend of mine uses one of those for local photographic backups
[16:50] <mercutio> why don't they just stick an i3 in or something
[16:50] <m0unds> because price + power consumption
[16:50] <mercutio> it does look nice though
[16:50] <m0unds> their webui is really intuitive too
[16:51] <mercutio> i couldn't saturate gigabit with my old atom
[16:52] <staticsafe> the new Atoms are really nice
[16:52] <mercutio> samba seems really cpu hungry, and atoms don't have very good memroy performance etc i suppose
[16:52] <mercutio> this was old one
[16:52] <mercutio> yeah the new ones look way better
[16:52] <mercutio> actually i have one of the newer ones
[16:52] <mercutio> i should try it
[16:52] <up_the_irons> staticsafe: nice in what way?
[16:52] <mercutio> the desktop one rather than the srever one.  the server one is how i found out about 2.5 gigabit ethernet
[16:52] <staticsafe> up_the_irons: performance/price/power wise
[16:52] <staticsafe> Avoton seriies
[16:53] <staticsafe> supermicro sells them too
[16:53] <up_the_irons> staticsafe: ah
[16:53] <mercutio> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Supermicro-A1SAM-2750F-O-Intel-Atom-C2750-DDR3-SATA3-V-4GbE-MicroATX-/201047576204?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ecf5e8e8c
[16:53] <staticsafe> ^
[16:53] <mercutio> LAN: SoC I354 Quad Gigabit Ethernet Controller
[16:53] <mercutio> that apparently supports 2.5 gigabit ethrent
[16:54] <up_the_irons> wow it even has ipmi
[16:54] <mercutio> up_the_irons: yes ;)
[16:54] <up_the_irons> that's some hot sauce right there
[16:54] <mercutio> i wonder what cases you can use for rackmount for multiple boards
[16:54] <staticsafe> i wonder how much supermicro sells those for with the chassis included
[16:55] <mercutio> i don't think ebay is the cheapest place for supermicro
[16:55] <m0unds> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101836&cm_re=c2750_barebones-_-16-101-836-_-Product
[16:55] <staticsafe> http://www.superbiiz.com/ is the vender that was suggested to me
[16:55] <staticsafe> http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=SY-518ATN4 CHEAP
[16:57] <mercutio> that's the worst case eever
[16:57] <mercutio> not even hot swappable drives
[16:57] <mercutio> http://www.amazon.com/ASRock-Avoton-Rackmount-Barebone-1U12LW-C2750/dp/B00ICZLUQ8
[16:57] <BryceBot> Amazon: "ASRock Intel Avoton C2750/DDR3/V&2GbE 1U Rackmount Server Barebone System 1U12LW-C2750"
[16:58] <mercutio> i thought this looked expensive at first
[16:58] <mercutio> but it has 14 drive bays
[16:58] <mercutio> for 3.5"
[16:58] <mercutio> now that'd make a nice nas :)
[16:59] <mercutio> i don't know how you cass them thouh
[16:59] <mercutio> and i think you need an extra sata controller to use all of them
[16:59] <up_the_irons> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101872&cm_re=supermicro_barebones_atom-_-16-101-872-_-Product
[17:00] <mercutio> http://www.asrockrack.com/general/productdetail.asp?Model=1U12LW-C2750
[17:00] <up_the_irons> 4x gigabit and ipmi
[17:00] <mercutio> better pictures there
[17:00] <staticsafe> 4x gigabit in LACP mm
[17:01] <mercutio> http://downloadmirror.intel.com/23244/eng/readme.txt
[17:02] <mercutio> Support for 2.5Gbps link speed on the Intel(R) Ethernet Connection I354 2.5 GbE Backplane
[17:02] <mercutio> link aggregation doesn't usually work so well ;(
[17:02] <staticsafe> im gonna guess you need Cat6 for 2.5 GbE?
[17:02] <mercutio> probably not
[17:02] <mercutio> cat 5e is probably fine for short runs
[17:03] <mercutio> 2.5 Gigabit per second is feasible on 100m Cat5, Cat5e and Cat6 cable
[17:03] <mercutio> so yeah i think cat5e will be fine
[17:05] <mercutio> i imagine people will still recommend cat6
[17:05] <mercutio> but they're recommending cat6a now
[17:06] <mercutio> and i think there's a cat7