mercutio: re the drupal comment, do you know any other thing that lets me basically do that i just want to define types and be able to import a ton of content offloaded from elsewhere like for a game item database or something, i just used drupal's CCK/custom fields and views to get search/sort/categorize in a few clicks sorry dunno, i just know drupal has a poor security record. (And Joomla's has been slightly worse) i have no idea what the solution is :) I really like Drupal. I think its a powerful content management system that allows non coders to accomplish things that would normally require custom coding as for the security aspects, I think Core is pretty secure, its when folks add modules that dont have the same screening and code review process is when the security issues crop up