[00:32] Well it's not trivial... And the name is typically already there, as the domain component of the hostname [00:32] (I haven't looked to see if the lg passes -n) [00:52] isnt the skype infra still very separated from the rest of MSFT? [00:53] To my knowledge, yes, but I doubt it will stay that way. Like most things, it will eventually get folded in, one way or another. [01:06] *** LT has joined #arpnetworks [02:15] mnathani: probably in theory if someone was to modify the code [02:17] mnathani: not sure of the best way to get a list of numbers to naem mappings - i usually use whois, but there may be limits to crawling that. [02:17] http://bgp.potaroo.net/cidr/autnums.html [02:17] ahh found this [02:20] flags destination gateway lpref med aspath origin [02:21] I 8.8.8.0/24 208.79.88.2 200 0 15169 [02:21] [GOOGLE] g [02:21] so saying something like that would be fine? [02:21] like [GOOGLE] etc for the diff providers after the numbers. 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[11:09] *** fink has joined #arpnetworks [11:09] yo RandalSchwartz [11:10] RandalSchwartz: do you happen to have your Virtualbox configs for your arpnetworks VPS's at hand? i'd like to compare notes [15:33] mercitio: yeah something like [GOOGLE] [15:34] or even hyperliks to bgp. he. net./as15169 etc for each AS in the path [15:34] mercutio ^ [15:35] well that file i found has names like that. [15:35] i think hacking in support to bgpctl show rib is probably best [15:35] but then people will want traceroute support :) [15:35] bgpctl show rib is show ip bgp [15:36] just more people understand it when it's said show ip bgp [15:36] my openbsd instance doesn't have a useful route table. [15:36] so i need to get that sorted, then i could try implementing it on there first. [15:36] but i'm pulled in a few directions atm [15:37] I 192.67.222.0/24 208.79.88.135 100 51 2914 12179 62638 i [15:38] usually I don't see Internap in the best AS path [15:46] *** fink has quit IRC (Quit: fink) [16:04] to quickly find ASN info: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/up_the_irons/arpnet-toolbox/master/asn.sh [16:04] I just type "asn.sh " [16:04] up_the_irons: what do you think about me modifying traceroute / bgpctl to show from db the name? [16:05] i imagine it shouldn't be too difficult. [16:06] actually, as a first step, i suppose the footer could have something that does a javscript query to do a lookup [16:06] where you manually type in the ones you're curious about [16:06] not something i'm going to worry about, but feel free to take a stab at it if you like. keep in mind people are using the lg now, so treat it as such (e.g. no breaking it ;) [16:06] up_the_irons: yeah, i'd do it somewhere else first. [16:06] cool [16:06] on that note, can i get a copy of the routing table on my vps? [16:07] ? [16:07] just another peer [16:07] like, you want to peer with it? [16:07] i could get a peer from somewhere else to test. [16:07] yeah peer with it and get full table. [16:07] go ahead and peer with yourself [16:07] ok :) [16:07] that sounds kinda dirty. dunno why... [16:07] i probably can't look at this until weekend. [16:07] hahaha [16:08] no worries [16:08] i was also thinking that it'd be kind of useful to be able to do a few quick lookups [16:08] and traces. [16:08] like google, etc. [16:08] and back to yourself. [16:08] That's what she said!! [16:08] BryceBot: no [16:08] Oh, okay... I'm sorry. 'and back to yourself.' [16:09] s/e.g./ie./ [16:09] likie.ogle, etc. [16:09] d'oh [16:09] like he.net's looking glass makes it quick/easy to traceroute back to yourself. [16:09] lol [16:09] but yeah the name thing actually kind of bugs me [16:09] i just do whois AS [16:09] and remember 2914, 174, etc. [16:09] like a few of them. [16:10] did u guys see that Level 3 bought TWTelecom? [16:10] yeah [16:11] i dunno what it means, other than way more data centres. [16:11] do twtelecom have a large network? [16:12] I'd assume TWT is the backbone for Time Warner Cable... but that's an uninformed assumption. [16:12] [in which case, perhaps a better network experience for those customers] [16:13] when level3 got announced i got way more traffic on anycast for some reason. [16:13] it was surprising. [16:13] i added prepends. [16:14] "tw telecom was originally founded as Time Warner Communications in 1993 as a joint venture between US West and Time Warner Cable. Time Warner Telecom rapidly evolved into a business provider specializing in fiber-based last mile solutions." [16:15] (So... separate) [16:15] i was reading something interesting about fiber providers in the US having huge costs to get government permission for laying cables. [16:15] doubling the cost etc. [16:15] and google somehow managed to bypass all of it. [16:16] mercutio: Is that long-haul fibre? [16:16] but i'd hate to feel like i was forced onto google fiber myslef. [16:16] brycec: yeah i think so [16:16] we say fibre here, but i realise it's kind of us-centric here :) [16:16] I was unaware that Google had long-haul fibre of their own [16:17] I say fibre too, because I can spell :P [16:17] well i imagine they need it to go between neighbourhoods. [16:17] and it looked like google may haev fiber from kanas to dallas, chicago, san jose [16:17] kansas sucks for transit from what i could tell. [16:18] That would be news to me, since there's already fibre between everywhere [16:18] well yeah it's probably someone elses fiber. [16:18] Lots of dark fibre around here -laid and unused, comparatively cheap to buy [16:18] yeah so it's probably lease. [16:18] i'm half interested in US net topography. [16:18] I can see how laying new fibre across the country would be expensive and subject to US permits [16:19] But can't see how that would apply to existing fibre. [16:19] but it's hard when you're not in it i suppose. [16:19] some places seem extra bad. [16:19] like tampa, florida is pretty bad. [16:19] Bad in what sense? [16:19] kansas, kc i s pretty bad [16:19] i dunno about states hah [16:19] (Don't get me wrong, Tampa is bad in many ways :P) [16:19] well like tampa has internet going via miami often [16:20] even though tampa and miami are ages away [16:20] Miami is a major transit point for the US to the carribean [16:20] but it goes the long way around georgia [16:20] and so on [16:20] yeah. [16:20] if you're near a major transit point you have quite direct routes. [16:20] ... You might want to check a map. Tampa - Miami is only a couple of hours' drive. [16:20] but like kansas you're often stuck with chicago/dallas. [16:21] (And Georgia is in the opposite direction) [16:21] it seems to increase latency [16:21] hmm [16:21] yeah but atlanta is out east. [16:21] All three are "out East" :p [16:21] ok north east. [16:21] Negatory [16:21] so you take a quite roundabout way to get there i meant [16:21] see: Map [16:22] damp i need a site to test again [16:22] i suppose georgia doesn't look that bad [16:22] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/US_map-South_East.png Florida is the most south-easterly state (Miami, Tampa, Orlando, etc), with Georgia (Atlanta) bordering on the north.) [16:23] why is georgia to miami to tampa so high ping then. [16:23] No idea [16:23] No logical reason [16:23] A little odd that you aren't seeing Atlanta - Orlando - Tampa though [16:23] orlando is uncoommon [16:24] jacksonville happens sometimes. [16:24] I see ORL far more often [16:24] actually i know someone in spring hill which is near tampa [16:24] Heck, HE has a POP in ORL [16:24] and their route is actually not terrible [16:24] like 215 msec from new zealand [16:24] * brycec knows someone in Tampa too [16:24] when arp is 140 msec. [16:24] That's not unreasonable... [16:24] but it does varies. [16:25] err vary. [16:25] i was playing with this geoip stuff to route stuff to vps's and then go to web sites. [16:25] considering west coast -> orlando is about 90-120ms for me, a 70ms difference is reasonable [16:25] the other thing i noticed is web sites aren't hosted in many places for common ones :) [16:25] 90 to 120 hmm [16:25] they were on brighthouse networks. [16:25] which i'd never heard of before [16:26] I've heard the name before. Definitely not Level3 scale [16:26] they use level3! [16:26] they're not like cox using cogent [16:26] i wonder what it's like from arp [16:27] it's 70 msec from arp [16:27] via level3 [16:27] but yeah, most of my testing was with web sites and vps's and so on [16:28] it seems level3 just show los angeles to tampa jump so it's hard to know what it's like [16:28] except it's somehow only 55 msec. [16:28] mercutio: This is from arp to a server in Orlando http://sprunge.us/XdOh [16:28] and that's reallyt relaly uncommon from my earlier looking [16:28] mercutio: And this is from my office in the pacific nw http://sprunge.us/CJER [16:28] yeah it looks like level3 have sensible routes [16:29] i'm going to tryh e;) [16:30] i so prefer arp's looking glass [16:30] https://smokeping.cobryce.com/?target=Internet.HENet.NorthAmerica :) [16:30] damn he.net is slow [16:30] damn no tampa [16:31] You have too many active queries. Please wait at least 60 seconds before submitting additional queries. [16:31] grr [16:31] it's cos i tried adding on la [16:31] This command is not available for core1.lax2.he.net at this time. [16:31] 75.435 ms136.187 ms74.274 msv114-tpafl14-ear2.bhntampa.com (71.44.2.49) [16:32] that hop has terrible icmp deproropsoitaiton acutally [16:32] ahh but it's the same to the hop that doesn't. [16:33] so yeah it's 58 to 60 msec on arp, nad 74.3 to 75 msec on level3 [16:33] err on he.net [16:33] so i suppose it's only 15 msec more, and that's fremont. [16:33] i think their traceroute is udp too [16:34] Bright House? [16:34] yeh [16:34] oh you know what, he.net aren't even carrying the traffic. [16:37] damn arp for having good transit [16:38] oh cool cogent have a looking glass [16:39] even cogent is good weird [16:41] so yeah, maybe it's moot to there now. [16:43] i still wonder why slashdot.org has high pings from arp [16:44] but they're on savvis. [16:44] and i think savvis is probably just crap [16:44] it's like 160 msec ping to chicago. [16:49] o_O [16:56] i dont' really care about slashdot, it'se just bene a reference site since the 90s [17:00] +1 on the asn.sh script, however I would probably like to modify it to allow searching with AS12345 as well as simply 12345 [17:01] ^ up_the_irons [17:10] so fare ive been here for a fvew days all i see if mercutio bitching about pings [17:12] cpet: it's a pretty quiet channel. And to be fair, that's about 50% of what we've seen from you :P [17:14] cpet: What would you like to see from this channel? :P [17:16] se drugs and tool? [17:16] er sex [17:16] That's what she said!! [17:16] lets give cpet a break, bitching about pings when all you got is satellite for connectivity seems fair to me [17:16] now that is funny [17:16] you may continue [17:17] are you a customer yet, cpet? [17:17] naw I just asked for a donation to port a filesystem to FreeBSD [17:17] but I think ill give up since its been 3 days [17:17] take care all [17:18] *** cpet has left "WeeChat 0.4.3" [17:18] mnathani: go ahead and modify, then send me a pull request ;) [17:18] Huh. Slightly odd. [17:19] umm.. ask for a donation and then bitch when it takes too long.. guess who's not getting a donation now? [17:20] I think his complaint was a lack of any reply [17:20] * brycec stabs his computer [17:20] up_the_irons: I have never sent a pull request before, do I first clone the repo, make the change and then send you a request? [17:20] I meant fork [17:21] mnathani: Yes. If you're on Github, it makes it all pretty easy [17:21] s/clone/fork [17:21] up_the_irons: I have never sent a pull request before, do I first fork the repo, make the change and then send you a request? [17:21] mnathani: In fact [17:22] mnathani: In fact, you can do it all on the site itself, just open https://github.com/up_the_irons/arpnet-toolbox/blob/master/asn.sh click the edit "pencil", make your changes, commit, and submit the pull request [17:22] I'm honestly a bit surprised this isn't written in Ruby :p [17:22] no reason to use ruby [17:22] if shell is all i need, i use shell [17:22] wow i didn't know you could do a pull request like that... [17:24] Makes simple fixes (like grammar, typos, etc) really easy :D Only downside is I don't get to name the branch. [17:26] * brycec clicks save, clicks "Create pull request" [17:26] https://github.com/up_the_irons/arpnet-toolbox/pull/1 [17:29] what in the hell... [17:29] ASN=${1##AS} [17:29] that actually works? :) [17:29] http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/string-manipulation.html [17:30] And in general, yes it does. [17:30] that's amazing [17:30] merged [17:30] My favourite tricks are the default value assignments [17:30] Sweet - but, does the script actually work? :p [17:30] and yes, it does :) [17:31] As expected? Excellent. [17:31] (more fun: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/parameter-substitution.html) [17:32] (I use it for things like: SOMEVAR=${1:-BLAH} ; if [ "x$SOMEVAR" = "xBLAH" ] ; then echo YOU FAILED ; exit 1 ; fi) [17:38] i think i still prefer using a database [17:38] there's something ick about calling lynx [17:38] Agreed about lynx, but at least it's caching [17:39] (I prefer curl, for starters) [17:39] heh [17:40] asn.sh: line 5: syntax error near unexpected token `newline' [17:40] oh that doesn't get raw does it [17:41] asn.sh: line 35: lynx: command not found [17:41] it's still not working [17:41] Well lynx was removed from OpenBSD base :P [17:41] i'm using linux [17:42] Apparently Linux without lynx [17:42] oh [17:42] Unheard of. [17:42] i need to prepend 0 [17:42] this is bizzare [17:42] for... "0lynx"? [17:42] oh it cached my lynx not found [17:43] haha [17:43] * mhoran doesn't even understand what's going on. [17:43] LOL [17:43] Very "dumb" caching is what's going on [17:44] ahh this is nicer [17:44] you can just change lynx to links [17:44] and it looks better [17:44] now i can uninstall lynx again :) [17:44] Technically one could make a quick call to stat to check the datestamp of the file to introduce some expiry [17:44] it's too much information for me anyway [17:46] damn this file is 7mb [17:48] ok i have my own hack nearly ready [17:59] ok [17:59] working [17:59] this is messsy too i have http proxy that helps [18:00] http://pastebin.com/DLJ3D17q [18:00] % sh myasn.sh 17746 [18:00] AS17746 ORCONINTERNET-NZ-AP Orcon Internet,NZ [18:00] % sh myasn.sh 9559 [18:00] AS9559 PLAINCOM-NZ Plain Communications Ltd,NZ [18:00] that's what my version does [18:00] but it's not actually caching the huge file it's curling [18:01] which would be a more sensible place to cache. my web proxy does, so it doesn't matter for me. [18:02] if [ -n "$2" ]; then [18:03] rm $AS_FILE [18:03] fi [18:03] haha [18:03] brycec: i think you can do an if-modified somehow [18:04] curl -I --header 'If-Modified-Since: DATE-FORMAT-HERE' [18:09] i suppose you could have both modes with -v to show more information [18:11] mercutio: Even then you're still "slow" because you're making a request to the backend *every time* [18:11] Also the backend webserver would need to properly support i-m-t [18:11] brycec: oh i'm goign to predownload i think [18:11] it probably does. [18:11] Most do on static files, but dynamic stuff is up to the script [18:12] what do you think about my way of outputting versus the verbose way? [18:12] hmm [18:12] well you can cron it for once a month :/ [18:12] this isn't dynamic anyway [18:12] Last-Modified: Thu, 06 Nov 2014 01:14:47 GMT [18:13] Age: 1642 [18:13] you still may not want to update lal the time [18:14] AS393392 PNWUPRIMARYPUBLIC - Pacific Northwest University of Health Sciences,US [18:14] 1642 seconds? that's about a half hour? [18:14] wow i've never seen ASN's that high before [18:14] heh [18:14] yeah it seems that way [18:14] so yeah you may want to update less frequently [18:15] like once a month [18:15] if it hasn't been updated in over a month [18:15] i will have to look into that later. [18:15] I like up_the_irons' approach, since the ASN-name pairings aren't going to change, just the addition of new ASNs. You only need to update when you hit an unknown ASN-name mapping. [18:15] for my modifcations [18:15] mine's doing that too [18:16] it's not caching the 7mb file :) [18:16] but they do change btw [18:16] when companys change ownership usually the name changes [18:19] it's just less to cat, and changing links to curl awk/sed/grep [18:20] but yeah i wonder if having on the footer of output some links would be handy too [18:20] it's all c though, so ... it's a bit messier :) [19:02] brycec: why does this not work: http://pastebin.com/x3gYP1WE [19:02] trying to match lowercase / uppercase as/ASN [19:02] lol [19:03] For starters, I don't think ### is a thing (I could be wrong?) [19:03] But mainly because you keep overwriting $ASN with $1 (modified) [19:03] mnathani: you probably want to keep the first line, and make the following lines ASN=${ASN#... [19:04] (And I'm sure there's a simpler, cleaner solution too) [19:05] This was my first attempt: http://pastebin.com/0fnKARPZ [19:05] before I saw your one liner [19:05] unsuccessful too [19:07] If you're getting that complicated, you might just consider using sed to extract a number from $1 [19:08] wow [19:08] it'll be AS or [19:08] just do a bloody s/^AS// [19:08] s/$/i/ [19:08] just do a bloody s/^AS//i [19:28] https://github.com/up_the_irons/arpnet-toolbox/pull/2 [19:28] working using sed [19:46] nice [19:48] :-) [19:52] facebook has their own http server [19:53] i've only just started exploring nginx [20:26] did they get back to you regarding dns [20:26] and geolocation was it? [20:26] *** toeshred has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1) [20:29] *** toeshred has joined #arpnetworks [20:35] ^mercutio [21:15] they got back to me asking for more information [21:15] a bit of to and fro [21:15] then nothing for a couple of days [21:15] so i emailed them again today. [21:15] i improved my facebook temporarily by using unbound's ability to send domains to different parent dns [21:15] does the issue impact many users? [21:16] but i hate doing that. [21:16] yeah, heaps from my research. [21:16] at least here. [21:16] they probably don't care much about new zealand though [21:16] is Australia in the same boat? [21:17] well australia has their own server [21:17] and there's a double hop peer with them there [21:17] and it still doesn't direct to it [21:17] ie one in betwen hop in AS PATH [21:17] it's doubled up too - there's two providers with one in between ASN [21:17] where does your facebook traffic end up presently with no DNS hacks? [21:18] i think their server selection needs an overhaul. [21:18] umm it varies between uhh [21:18] hangon [21:18] you to our Ashburn (ASH) and Forest City, NC (FRC) Data Centers. [21:18] forest city, and ashburn [21:18] so ages away [21:19] bu thtere's some stuff hitting prc too which is closer [21:19] and i'm not sure where it is but it seems west coastish [21:19] the other 2 seem halfway around the globe? [21:19] yeah [21:19] it comes into facebook's network in san jose. [21:20] running traceroute -A [21:20] http://pastebin.com/k7JU8WpE [21:20] have you tested other NZ networks that have public looking glasses [21:20] pastebin always has kaptcha [21:21] new zealand networks don't have looking glasses :/ [21:21] i've tested other ones i ahve access too [21:21] to [21:21] weoll one other one i have access to, and got a couple of people to test themselves. [21:21] so there's at least 4 networks that have issues [21:23] http://pastebin.com/HVErFSga [21:23] that's sydney [21:24] weird, i dunno why it says AS1221 on hop 3 [21:24] that's 9559 too [21:24] here is a trace from UK: [21:24] https://gist.github.com/anonymous/1917708951399df0f7f8 [21:24] Gist: "https://gist.github.com/1917708951399df0f7f8" [21:24] you're going to the same dc as me :) [21:25] maybe frc is their default? [21:25] my uk vps goes there too [21:25] oh [21:26] except my one connectoins to facebook in the uk! [21:26] 5 linx.br01.lhr1.tfbnw.net (195.66.225.69) [AS10026/AS4637] 4.896 ms 4.877 ms 4.859 ms [21:27] maybe facebook geolocates based on friends, and connections and news interests and likes. LOL :-) [21:27] i dobut it :) [21:27] i think their network is just non ideal [21:27] like they should terminate in london [21:27] if they're going to accept traffic in london [21:27] even if they just put the page together there and get the information from further away [21:27] at least that's what i'd do :) [21:27] maybe they havent figured out how to replicate everything everywhere? [21:28]